Re: [Cake] the Cake stalemate

2018-06-19 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Jonathan, On June 20, 2018 5:36:15 AM GMT+02:00, Jonathan Morton wrote: >> On 20 Jun, 2018, at 2:38 am, Sebastian Moeller >wrote: >> >> The IQrouter is even available on Amazon... > >Is it? I just searched for it and came up empty. It currently shows up on amazon.com (https://www.amazon.

Re: [Cake] the Cake stalemate

2018-06-19 Thread Jonathan Morton
> On 20 Jun, 2018, at 2:38 am, Sebastian Moeller wrote: > > The IQrouter is even available on Amazon... Is it? I just searched for it and came up empty. - Jonathan Morton ___ Cake mailing list Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.ne

Re: [Cake] the Cake stalemate

2018-06-19 Thread Sebastian Moeller
On June 19, 2018 11:48:08 PM GMT+02:00, Dave Taht wrote: >On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 1:35 PM, Jonathan Morton > wrote: >>> On 19 Jun, 2018, at 11:14 pm, Pete Heist wrote: >>> >>> I don’t think we can do much better than “it makes your Internet >faster”, which is what most people want >> >> s/faste

Re: [Cake] the Cake stalemate

2018-06-19 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Well, On June 19, 2018 10:35:03 PM GMT+02:00, Jonathan Morton wrote: >> On 19 Jun, 2018, at 11:14 pm, Pete Heist wrote: >> >> I don’t think we can do much better than “it makes your Internet >faster”, which is what most people want > >s/faster/reliable/ > >It would be really nice to be able

Re: [Cake] the Cake stalemate

2018-06-19 Thread Pete Heist
> On Jun 19, 2018, at 10:35 PM, Jonathan Morton wrote: > >> On 19 Jun, 2018, at 11:14 pm, Pete Heist wrote: >> >> I don’t think we can do much better than “it makes your Internet faster”, >> which is what most people want > > s/faster/reliable/ > > It would be really nice to be able to say

Re: [Cake] the Cake stalemate

2018-06-19 Thread Dave Taht
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 1:35 PM, Jonathan Morton wrote: >> On 19 Jun, 2018, at 11:14 pm, Pete Heist wrote: >> >> I don’t think we can do much better than “it makes your Internet faster”, >> which is what most people want > > s/faster/reliable/ > > It would be really nice to be able to say "go ou

Re: [Cake] the Cake stalemate

2018-06-19 Thread Jonathan Morton
> On 19 Jun, 2018, at 11:14 pm, Pete Heist wrote: > > I don’t think we can do much better than “it makes your Internet faster”, > which is what most people want s/faster/reliable/ It would be really nice to be able to say "go out and buy this box, plug it in and run through the setup wizard"

Re: [Cake] the Cake stalemate

2018-06-19 Thread Pete Heist
> On Jun 19, 2018, at 6:24 PM, Dave Taht wrote: > > "forking" code and living out of tree for a while has been a way to > spin faster on solving thorny problems, and welcome newer, > less experienced devs to a difficult codebase while encouraging folk > in the problem domain to enter. I hadn’t

Re: [Cake] the Cake stalemate

2018-06-19 Thread Dave Taht
a couple notes. "forking" code and living out of tree for a while has been a way to spin faster on solving thorny problems, and welcome newer, less experienced devs to a difficult codebase while encouraging folk in the problem domain to enter. I am an increasingly lousy programmer, (for the record

Re: [Cake] the Cake stalemate

2018-06-19 Thread Pete Heist
> On Jun 19, 2018, at 3:41 PM, Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant > wrote: > >> On 19 Jun 2018, at 13:26, Pete Heist wrote: >> >> I have a 32-bit MIPS in my ER-X, but it sounds like what I saw (outrageous >> refcnt values) was something different: > > > Yes it was. At one point iproute’s tc was doin

Re: [Cake] the Cake stalemate

2018-06-19 Thread Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant via Cake
--- Begin Message --- > On 19 Jun 2018, at 13:26, Pete Heist wrote: > > >> On Jun 19, 2018, at 1:54 PM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote: >> >> We also saw a bug on 32-bit MIPS where some combinations of 64-bit >> netlink attributes would cause stats display in tc to fail. However, I >> believe

Re: [Cake] the Cake stalemate

2018-06-19 Thread Pete Heist
> On Jun 19, 2018, at 1:54 PM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote: > > We also saw a bug on 32-bit MIPS where some combinations of 64-bit > netlink attributes would cause stats display in tc to fail. However, I > believe this is more a case of Cake exposing a latent bug somewhere in > the tc or kernel

Re: [Cake] the Cake stalemate

2018-06-19 Thread Pete Heist
> On Jun 19, 2018, at 1:32 PM, Jonathan Morton wrote: > > My impression was that we were practically there - but we ran up against a > hang bug which *may* have had a root cause elsewhere than Cake itself. I > strongly suspect we're tickling a HW driver bug, but we need someone with a > diff

Re: [Cake] the Cake stalemate

2018-06-19 Thread Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
Jonathan Morton writes: >> On 19 Jun, 2018, at 12:55 pm, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote: >> >> Not sure there is a stalemate, actually. I just ran out of time to do >> further revisions; planning to take that up again. Don't see any reason >> why we shouldn't be able to succeed in getting Cake up

Re: [Cake] the Cake stalemate

2018-06-19 Thread Jonathan Morton
> On 19 Jun, 2018, at 12:55 pm, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote: > > Not sure there is a stalemate, actually. I just ran out of time to do > further revisions; planning to take that up again. Don't see any reason > why we shouldn't be able to succeed in getting Cake upstream in its > current form(is

Re: [Cake] the Cake stalemate

2018-06-19 Thread Pete Heist
> On Jun 19, 2018, at 11:55 AM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote: > > Pete Heist writes: > >> Whether or not it helps with the upcoming talk or future plans, I’m >> thinking about the most recent experience with trying to upstream Cake >> and how to break the stalemate. > > Not sure there is a st

Re: [Cake] the Cake stalemate

2018-06-19 Thread Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
Pete Heist writes: > Whether or not it helps with the upcoming talk or future plans, I’m > thinking about the most recent experience with trying to upstream Cake > and how to break the stalemate. Not sure there is a stalemate, actually. I just ran out of time to do further revisions; planning to

[Cake] the Cake stalemate

2018-06-19 Thread Pete Heist
Whether or not it helps with the upcoming talk or future plans, I’m thinking about the most recent experience with trying to upstream Cake and how to break the stalemate. Cake stretches (arguably breaks) what qdiscs were designed for, which, correct me if I’m wrong, is what caused a lot of the