Re: [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Bloat] dslreports is no longer free

2020-05-02 Thread David P. Reed
Sergey - I wasn't assuming anything about fast.com. The document you shared wasn't clear about the methodology's details here. Others sadly, have actually used ICMP pings in the way I described. I was making a generic comment of concern. That said, it sounds like what you are doing is really

Re: [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Bloat] dslreports is no longer free

2020-05-02 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi David, in principle I agree, a NATed IPv4 ICMP probe will be at best reflected at the NAT router (CPE) (some commercial home gateways do not respond to ICMP echo requests in the name of security theatre). So it is pretty hard to measure the full end to end path in that configuration. I

Re: [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Bloat] dslreports is no longer free

2020-05-02 Thread Sergey Fedorov via Cake
--- Begin Message --- Dave, thanks for sharing interesting thoughts and context. > I am still a bit worried about properly defining "latency under load" for > a NAT routed situation. If the test is based on ICMP Ping packets *from the > server*, it will NOT be measuring the full path latency,

Re: [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Bloat] dslreports is no longer free

2020-05-02 Thread David P. Reed
I am still a bit worried about properly defining "latency under load" for a NAT routed situation. If the test is based on ICMP Ping packets *from the server*, it will NOT be measuring the full path latency, and if the potential congestion is in the uplink path from the access provider's

Re: [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Bloat] dslreports is no longer free

2020-05-02 Thread Dave Taht
On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 9:37 AM Benjamin Cronce wrote: > > > Fast.com reports my unloaded latency as 4ms, my loaded latency as ~7ms I guess one of my questions is that with a switch to BBR netflix is going to do pretty well. If fast.com is using bbr, well... that excludes much of the current side

Re: [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Bloat] dslreports is no longer free

2020-05-02 Thread Benjamin Cronce
> Fast.com reports my unloaded latency as 4ms, my loaded latency as ~7ms For download, I show 6ms unloaded and 6-7 loaded. But for upload the loaded shows as 7-8 and I see it blip upwards of 12ms. But I am no longer using any traffic shaping. Any anti-bufferbloat is from my ISP. A graph of the

Re: [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Bloat] dslreports is no longer free

2020-05-02 Thread Jannie Hanekom
Michael Richardson : > Does it find/use my nearest Netflix cache? Thankfully, it appears so. The DSLReports bloat test was interesting, but the jitter on the ~240ms base latency from South Africa (and other parts of the world) was significant enough that the figures returned were often