Re: [Cake] lanman2018 cake talk ideas

2018-06-26 Thread Dave Taht
OK, a version I can live with for today is up at the same url. I still have an hour to fiddle. PS I love youse guys. On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 3:52 AM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote: > Pete Heist writes: > >>> On Jun 26, 2018, at 8:58 AM, Dave Taht wrote: >>> >>> I got about, I don't know, 5?

Re: [Cake] lanman2018 cake talk ideas

2018-06-26 Thread Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
Pete Heist writes: >> On Jun 26, 2018, at 8:58 AM, Dave Taht wrote: >> >> I got about, I don't know, 5? problematic slides, and it needs to get >> to 20 by 9AM EDT, it's 3AM and I'm gonna catch some zs. >> >> http://www.taht.net/~d/cake/sch_cake_ieee_lanman2018.odp >> >> On Fri, Jun 22, 2018

Re: [Cake] lanman2018 cake talk ideas

2018-06-26 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Dave, just a few comments: slide 17: it is not fully clear that this is about downstream only, especially "sch_cake can (with perfect framing) be at the same setpoint as the upstream, while still taking back control of the link, with better queuing." is confusing me. Isn't the setpoint

Re: [Cake] lanman2018 cake talk ideas

2018-06-26 Thread Pete Heist
> On Jun 26, 2018, at 8:58 AM, Dave Taht wrote: > > I got about, I don't know, 5? problematic slides, and it needs to get > to 20 by 9AM EDT, it's 3AM and I'm gonna catch some zs. > > http://www.taht.net/~d/cake/sch_cake_ieee_lanman2018.odp > > On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 10:14 PM, Dave Taht

Re: [Cake] lanman2018 cake talk ideas

2018-06-26 Thread Dave Taht
I got about, I don't know, 5? problematic slides, and it needs to get to 20 by 9AM EDT, it's 3AM and I'm gonna catch some zs. http://www.taht.net/~d/cake/sch_cake_ieee_lanman2018.odp On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 10:14 PM, Dave Taht wrote: > I have to get on the plane tomorrow night at midnight and

Re: [Cake] lanman2018 cake talk ideas

2018-06-23 Thread Jonathan Morton
> On 23 Jun, 2018, at 8:35 am, Dave Taht wrote: > > * really hate the cake_dst/src/triple isolate graph and wish we had a > better way to express it. pie chart? Pie chart is a good idea for that one. Even better if it was a cake chart. For the "evil" host, I recommend a gaming PC downloading

Re: [Cake] lanman2018 cake talk ideas

2018-06-22 Thread Dave Taht
doing a self review of what I got before I crash yes, yes, all the slides are out of order. Yes, I should write down what I intend to say and not have it on the slide * cake stores one less packet than htb+fq_codel. Anybody got a 2mbit result for sqm that shows the resulting induced latency?

Re: [Cake] lanman2018 cake talk ideas

2018-06-22 Thread Dave Taht
I have to get on the plane tomorrow night at midnight and I've tried to capture some of your comments and ideas in: http://www.taht.net/~d/cake/sch_cake_ieee_lanman2018.odp It's in its usual mess at this point - usually I don't share stuff this raw! but I'm totally open to text suggestions,

Re: [Cake] lanman2018 cake talk ideas

2018-06-22 Thread Pete Heist
> On Jun 22, 2018, at 9:45 AM, Felix Resch wrote: > >> ... has no Wikipedia page yet ... > > here you go https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Megabit_myth > Thanks! Now the problem is solved. :) I only had some second thoughts, and let’s get

Re: [Cake] lanman2018 cake talk ideas

2018-06-22 Thread Felix Resch
> ... has no Wikipedia page yet ... here you go https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Megabit_myth ___ Cake mailing list Cake@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cake

Re: [Cake] lanman2018 cake talk ideas

2018-06-21 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Hi Dave, > On Jun 21, 2018, at 05:43, Dave Taht wrote: > > I think your "megabit myth" idea (and language) would be a very > powerful paper and/or talk to try and hammer home in multiple venues. > > I might spend a slide on it at this conference, but it deserves more > focus than that.

Re: [Cake] lanman2018 cake talk ideas

2018-06-21 Thread Jonas Mårtensson
On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 9:04 AM Pete Heist wrote: > > > On Jun 21, 2018, at 5:43 AM, Dave Taht wrote: > > > > I think your "megabit myth" idea (and language) would be a very > > powerful paper and/or talk to try and hammer home in multiple venues. > > > > I might spend a slide on it at this

Re: [Cake] lanman2018 cake talk ideas

2018-06-21 Thread Pete Heist
> On Jun 21, 2018, at 5:43 AM, Dave Taht wrote: > > I think your "megabit myth" idea (and language) would be a very > powerful paper and/or talk to try and hammer home in multiple venues. > > I might spend a slide on it at this conference, but it deserves more > focus than that. Ok, I’ve

Re: [Cake] lanman2018 cake talk ideas

2018-06-20 Thread Dave Taht
I think your "megabit myth" idea (and language) would be a very powerful paper and/or talk to try and hammer home in multiple venues. I might spend a slide on it at this conference, but it deserves more focus than that. On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 8:45 AM, Pete Heist wrote: > > On Jun 18, 2018, at

Re: [Cake] lanman2018 cake talk ideas

2018-06-20 Thread Pete Heist
> On Jun 18, 2018, at 7:44 PM, Dave Taht wrote: > > Try as I might, finding a memorable narrative hook to fit into 20 > minutes eludes me. There's so much to cake! There's no room for me to > break out a guitar or carry a case of water bottles into this press. To me, explaining this stuff is

Re: [Cake] lanman2018 cake talk ideas

2018-06-20 Thread Luca Muscariello
In my opinion, you should introduce the challenges faced to get to this point a little bit more. There has been an historically difficult insertion of packet scheduling in the Internet. FQ in the first place has suffered ostracism for a number of reasons, some acceptable criticism, some others

Re: [Cake] lanman2018 cake talk ideas

2018-06-18 Thread Loganaden Velvindron
I use cake 24 hours/7 days. From Mauritius to Europe, it's around 250-300ms at worse. To use, it's up to 500ms. qdisc cake 8035: dev pppoe-wan root refcnt 2 bandwidth 4Mbit diffserv3 triple-isolate rtt 300.0ms raw Sent 170109544 bytes 1647933 pkt (dropped 186, overlimits 248108 requeues 0)

Re: [Cake] lanman2018 cake talk ideas

2018-06-18 Thread Loganaden Velvindron
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 9:44 PM, Dave Taht wrote: > I started at the lanman2018 talk (to be given next tuesday), this past > weekend, for "piece of cake" ( https://arxiv.org/abs/1804.07617 ) > > Try as I might, finding a memorable narrative hook to fit into 20 > minutes eludes me. There's so much

[Cake] lanman2018 cake talk ideas

2018-06-18 Thread Dave Taht
I started at the lanman2018 talk (to be given next tuesday), this past weekend, for "piece of cake" ( https://arxiv.org/abs/1804.07617 ) Try as I might, finding a memorable narrative hook to fit into 20 minutes eludes me. There's so much to cake! There's no room for me to break out a guitar or