Re: [Cake] inbound cake or fq_codel shaping fails on cable on netflix reno

2018-07-21 Thread Jonathan Morton
> On 21 Jul, 2018, at 8:20 pm, Georgios Amanakis wrote: > > I got the same result as you. This is using latest cake. I'd like to see a tcptrace of what's going on here. A packet capture with snaplen 100 should allow me to generate one. - Jonathan Morton

Re: [Cake] inbound cake or fq_codel shaping fails on cable on netflix reno

2018-07-21 Thread Dave Taht
On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 10:28 AM Georgios Amanakis wrote: > > The previous one was with: > net.ipv4.tcp_congestion_control=cubic > > I retried with: > net.ipv4.tcp_congestion_control=reno > > Georgios In the fast test this has no effect on the remote server's tcp, it's always going to be reno.

Re: [Cake] inbound cake or fq_codel shaping fails on cable on netflix reno

2018-07-21 Thread Arie
I had a similar issue with my previous cable modem, whatever I shaped to didn't matter, I still had long delays. I "fixed" it by continuously sending a stream of empty UDP packets upstream: hping3 -2 -d 0 -s 10080 -k -p 80 -i u150 IP-OF-FIRST-OUTSIDE-CABLE-HOP-HERE On 21 July 2018 at 22:36, Dave

Re: [Cake] Flent & Mac OS

2018-07-21 Thread Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant
Right, ok. Well I’ve no idea what/if anything is broken here on my system, so I’m going to stop. > On 21 Jul 2018, at 20:12, Sebastian Moeller wrote: > > Ah, I also installed python 3.6 via macports and PyQT5, the OS supplied > python is a bit dated and I am too chicken to install new

Re: [Cake] [Bloat] Van Jacobson's slides on timing wheels at netdevconf

2018-07-21 Thread Matthias Tafelmeier
> B) that NIC support seems > needed. I can think of a lot of things I'd like to have in a NIC > (which certainly include default timestamping on rx and multiple kinds > of X-tuple hash) - but hadn't thought about replacing queues entirely! Still fond of the notion of RX|TX sk buffers wandering

Re: [Cake] inbound cake or fq_codel shaping fails on cable on netflix reno

2018-07-21 Thread Dave Taht
for reference can you do a download and capture against flent-newark, while using the ping test? On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 10:44 AM Georgios Amanakis wrote: > > On Sat, 2018-07-21 at 20:23 +0300, Jonathan Morton wrote: > > > > I'd like to see a tcptrace of what's going on here. A packet capture >

Re: [Cake] inbound cake or fq_codel shaping fails on cable on netflix reno

2018-07-21 Thread Dave Taht
hmm? you only have 15mbits down? On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 11:18 AM Georgios Amanakis wrote: > > On Sat, 2018-07-21 at 10:47 -0700, Dave Taht wrote: > > for reference can you do a download and capture against flent-newark, > > while using the ping test? > > > > New data, this is what I did: > > 1)

[Cake] Flent & Mac OS

2018-07-21 Thread Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant
Hi Chaps Would love to help Dave with his flent run request. Is there anyone who can hand hold me through mac os installation? Having a battle and on the losing side :-/ Cheers, Kevin D-B 012C ACB2 28C6 C53E 9775 9123 B3A2 389B 9DE2 334A signature.asc Description: Message signed with

Re: [Cake] inbound cake or fq_codel shaping fails on cable on netflix reno

2018-07-21 Thread Dave Taht
To summarize: A) I think the magic 85% figure only applies at lower bandwidths. B) We are at least partially in a pathological situation where CMTS = 380ms of buffering, token bucket fifo at 100mbit Cakebox: AQMing and trying to shape below 85mbit, gradually ramping up the signalling once per

Re: [Cake] inbound cake or fq_codel shaping fails on cable on netflix reno

2018-07-21 Thread Dave Taht
hmmm... And wow, does this modem have difficulty with udp Summary of ping test run 'hping3-cake-docsis' (at 2018-07-21 22:22:14.758201): avg median # data pts Ping (ms) ICMP :26.5023.20 ms2395 Ping (ms) UDP : 1.02

Re: [Cake] inbound cake or fq_codel shaping fails on cable on netflix reno

2018-07-21 Thread Dave Taht
In other news: https://github.com/tohojo/sqm-scripts/issues/68 does the ER4 have act_police? On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 10:55 AM Arie wrote: > > It's Ziggo NL/Liberty Global. I'm surprised by the reported latency in the > fast.com test. Both the site and the flent ping test report about the same

Re: [Cake] Flent & Mac OS

2018-07-21 Thread Arie
I just upgraded/reinstalled flent on OS/X, all it took was sudo pip install flent But that might have been easy because I've done it before. On 21 July 2018 at 20:40, Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant < ke...@darbyshire-bryant.me.uk> wrote: > Hi Chaps > > Would love to help Dave with his flent run

Re: [Cake] [Cerowrt-devel] inbound cake or fq_codel shaping fails on cable on netflix reno

2018-07-21 Thread Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
Dave Taht writes: > On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 10:28 AM Georgios Amanakis > wrote: >> >> The previous one was with: >> net.ipv4.tcp_congestion_control=cubic >> >> I retried with: >> net.ipv4.tcp_congestion_control=reno >> >> Georgios > > In the fast test this has no effect on the remote server's

Re: [Cake] inbound cake or fq_codel shaping fails on cable on netflix reno

2018-07-21 Thread Jonathan Morton
> On 21 Jul, 2018, at 11:01 pm, Dave Taht wrote: > > The cmts buffer fills more rapidly, particularly in slow start, while > presenting packets to the inbound shaper at 100mbit. cake starts > signalling, late, trying to achieve but at that point the apparent > RTTs are still growing rapidly

Re: [Cake] inbound cake or fq_codel shaping fails on cable on netflix reno

2018-07-21 Thread Arie
It does. On 21 July 2018 at 20:02, Dave Taht wrote: > In other news: > > https://github.com/tohojo/sqm-scripts/issues/68 > > does the ER4 have act_police? > > On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 10:55 AM Arie wrote: > > > > It's Ziggo NL/Liberty Global. I'm surprised by the reported latency in > the

Re: [Cake] inbound cake or fq_codel shaping fails on cable on netflix reno

2018-07-21 Thread Georgios Amanakis
Yes. Unshaped it is ~20mbit, the tests were ran with cake shaping at 80%. On Sat, Jul 21, 2018, 2:20 PM Dave Taht wrote: > hmm? you only have 15mbits down? > On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 11:18 AM Georgios Amanakis > wrote: > > > > On Sat, 2018-07-21 at 10:47 -0700, Dave Taht wrote: > > > for

[Cake] policers, finally

2018-07-21 Thread Dave Taht
On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 11:37 AM Dave Taht wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 11:23 AM Arie wrote: > > > > It does. > > well, one approach seems to be to police as per that bug report at say > 90-95% of the actual inbound rate, while shaping at 85%... or some > combination thereof. > > figuring

Re: [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] Van Jacobson's slides on timing wheels at netdevconf

2018-07-21 Thread Jonathan Morton
> On 20 Jul, 2018, at 5:47 pm, Luca Muscariello > wrote: > > and C) you can implement any packet scheduler using a timing wheel using > virtual times. To do this perfectly, you have to assume that no packets will arrive within your scheduling horizon which should be scheduled within that

Re: [Cake] Flent & Mac OS

2018-07-21 Thread Sebastian Moeller
Ah, I also installed python 3.6 via macports and PyQT5, the OS supplied python is a bit dated and I am too chicken to install new packages into apple's python version. I am pretty sure that is also doable with homebrew or any other porting system on the mac. Best Regards > On Jul 21,

Re: [Cake] inbound cake or fq_codel shaping fails on cable on netflix reno

2018-07-21 Thread Dave Taht
Thank you. At least for your ISP (?), at 250mbit, you can hold the damage down to something reasonable, and certainly you are winning big on the upload. Good to know the ER4 can keep up, also. On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 10:36 AM Arie wrote: > > Unshaped reno attached. > > On 21 July 2018 at 19:27,

Re: [Cake] policers, finally

2018-07-21 Thread Dave Taht
I was off in the cheap seats watching, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdjavTiMrs0=youtu.be=1h10m3s saying "yes, for ghu's sake, back off half on ecn - or more! And if you are going to try defeating policers, despite the desperate reasons for them to exist... it's time to come up with a policer

Re: [Cake] inbound cake or fq_codel shaping fails on cable on netflix reno

2018-07-21 Thread Dave Taht
wow. That is the best dslreports test result for cable I have ever had. with hping3 -2 -d 0 -s 10080 -k -p 80 -i u150 96.120.89.153 http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/36209937 Without: http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/36210095 You say a different cablemodem does better without hping3

Re: [Cake] inbound cake or fq_codel shaping fails on cable on netflix reno

2018-07-21 Thread Dave Taht
Yours is not as horrific as mine in either case. Can you provide an unshaped result as well? On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 10:24 AM Arie wrote: > > Two more data points. Shaped my connection to 250Mbit out of the advertised > 250Mbit (my usual setting) and shaped to 200Mbit out of the 250Mbit. This

Re: [Cake] Flent & Mac OS

2018-07-21 Thread Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant
sudo pip install flent The directory '/Users/kevin/Library/Caches/pip/http' or its parent directory is not owned by the current user and the cache has been disabled. Please check the permissions and owner of that directory. If executing pip with sudo, you may want sudo's -H flag. The directory