Whoops, didn't see the "please move on" request. Please disregard.
-- Alan
On 4/4/2016 3:13 PM, Winston, Alan P. via Callers wrote:
On 4/4/2016 9:10 AM, Darwin Gregory via Callers wrote:
While I am relatively new to contra, and just called my first dance
this weekend, The Baby Rose... I'
On 4/4/2016 9:10 AM, Darwin Gregory via Callers wrote:
While I am relatively new to contra, and just called my first dance
this weekend, The Baby Rose... I'll have never considered gypsy a term
related to a race of people, nor did I know it was applied today to a
group of people called Roma
t: Re: [Callers] here it is - sorry
I also don't want to read any more of Michael's replies, particularly on this
issue (but also on others: see the comparing shadow swings to groping, etc).
Several people have asked him to stop, but he won't. But I don't think "
Hello Ron:
You wrote: "My post said I found 3 points "interesting", and listed the three
points. I didn't even link the article on Shared Weight in the first place."
Is it bizarre for readers of this thread to assume you listed the three points
because you approved or agreed with them?
To
All,
Once again, the gypsy discussion has erupted in personal attacks and discussion
that is not friendly or courteous. This topic seems to be a trigger for
people, prompting responses that I don’t think you would say if you were
face-to-face. Please move on.
Seth & Chris
On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 7:55 AM, Michael Fuerst via Callers <
callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
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> You owe everyone on this list an apology
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>
>
And that's the problem right there. Demanding apologies or insisting people
will change their mind if you just reword things slightly is how the ve
While I am relatively new to contra, and just called my first dance this
weekend, The Baby Rose... I'll have never considered gypsy a term related
to a race of people, nor did I know it was applied today to a group of
people called Romas.
However, my general position on terms that have both discri
Ron:
You wrote: "I don't want to cause anyone pain, intended or not." Do you see
anything bizarre in not wanting to cause anyone intended pain?
You wrote: "If you are a World War II survivor, please contact me privately
and I will apologize to you if I've caused you pain."One speculates t
Hi Michael,
The article made these points, not me. I didn't actually introduce any
ideas that weren't in the article. My post said I found 3 points
"interesting", and listed the three points. I didn't even link the article
on Shared Weight in the first place.
Ever hear the phrase, "don't shoot th
I don't want to cause anyone pain, intended or not. That's always been my
goal. While I have not received any complaints from any World War II
survivors or close relatives of them (of which I am, as well) about this, I
feel like discussing this topic on Shared Weight is not going anywhere. So
I won
On Mon, Apr 04, 2016, Michael Fuerst via Callers wrote:
> Ron Blechner:
>>
>> 3. That perhaps the use of "gypsy" as a term isn't as bad as non-Roma
>> self-identitying as "dance gypsies". Roma wander because they are
>> persecuted or can't find work. When we talk about "dance gypsies"
>> beig wande
Hello Ron:
Your statement "we're comparing our having fun traveling to various dances to
the widespread persecution of an ethnicity (the worst being the Holocaust)."
was an intentional, malicious, misguided personal attack on every
contradancer who speaks the words "dance gypsy," who uses the
Thank you, Michael. The term for the WWII tragedy still evokes a lot of pain
for those who survived it and their descendants, and hopefully will have no
further use in a forum devoted to dancing -
Bob
Ron:
"we're comparing our having fun traveling to various dances to the widespread
persec
I also don't want to read any more of Michael's replies, particularly on
this issue (but also on others: see the comparing shadow swings to groping,
etc). Several people have asked him to stop, but he won't. But I don't
think "this list isn't working" just because some of us think one person is
r
I'm really tired of personal attacks here on Shared Weight, and a high
percentage comes from one person.
I've asked Michael Fuerst to not contact me again. I've already cut down my
usage, but if we can't trade ideas without having them called "bizarre" and
"absurd", then this list isn't working.
O
Ron:
"we're comparing our having fun traveling to various dances to the widespread
persecution of an ethnicity (the worst being the Holocaust)."
Maybe you do. No one else uses such bizarre logic. Conbtradancers as a
group are about as left of center and non-discriminatory in their beliefs as
That article had a few interesting *new* points, for me.
1. That Roma are in the US, not just Europe, and face continued
discrimination.
2. That Roma in the US often don't speak up about their identity out of
fear of discrimination.
3. That perhaps the use of "gypsy" as a term isn't as bad as non-
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