Re: [Callers] Politically Correct?

2018-03-25 Thread Woody Lane via Callers
Historically, a lot has changed. Take the traditional singing square "Marching Through Georgia." Does anyone really think the original song is about ambling with friends along a quiet country road near Atlanta? I have a thin 1989 book "Just One More Dance" by Carole Howard. It lists scores of

Re: [Callers] Politically Correct?

2018-03-25 Thread Cara Sawyer via Callers
I feel that the old dances, like old movies, shouldn’t be left in the dust because they are offensive in our modern context. Rather we can take them in their context, as a relic of an older day. I happen to LOVE the song Billy Boy, it was on a movie I saw as a child and was one of the few

Re: [Callers] Politically Correct?

2018-03-25 Thread Robert Livingston via Callers
I visited, more than once, an assisted living home, here in CT, to talk to a prominent caller of "back in the day".He told of dancing as a teen.  So many young folks did then.  The call was "swing her in the center and kiss her if you dare".He stammered and turned red as she poked fun at his

Re: [Callers] Politically Correct?

2018-03-25 Thread Alexandra Deis-Lauby via Callers
Often people don’t speak up. It doesn’t mean they like the language. There aren’t very many dances that actively solicit feedback and even the ones that do don’t get it all the time. There are often callers or phrases that bother me. I very occasionally tell the callers if they are friends of

Re: [Callers] Politically Correct?

2018-03-25 Thread John Freeman via Callers
I have to agree with Tom. The only push back I have ever received was from two female callers I helped get started. This was in the early 90s. I have otherwise never had a complaint about calling singing square dances as they have been traditionally called/sung. That said, I try to know my

Re: [Callers] Politically Correct?

2018-03-25 Thread Yoyo Zhou via Callers
It looks like this is the version Rich is referring to: http://www.ceder.net/recorddb/viewsingle.php?RecordId=1891 More background on the English folk song / sea shanty this American folk song is based on: https://mainlynorfolk.info/martin.carthy/songs/billyboy.html In traditional songs things

Re: [Callers] Politically Correct?

2018-03-25 Thread Darwin Gregory via Callers
If you are concerned about sexism alternate between she/her and he/his.  On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 1:39 AM Alexandra Deis-Lauby via Callers < callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > People are not things. I don’t think it’s appropriate for any crowd. > Try your hand at some new lyrics! > > Sent

Re: [Callers] Politically Correct?

2018-03-25 Thread Mary Collins via Callers
Rich, I agree with Tom. This is one of the most traditional tunes I grew up with. Isn't one of CDSS' objectives to promote and continue TRADITIONAL song... I say leave it alone. Mary On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 1:12 AM Rich Sbardella via Callers < callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > Hello

Re: [Callers] Politically Correct?

2018-03-25 Thread Rich Sbardella via Callers
Yes Bob, You are correct, but the tag line for each verse remains the same. I would have to find a word to replace -young "thing". I think perhaps it is a generational thing. I have been calling this song to my seniors who are about 75% women in their 70's and 80s and they sing along. No

Re: [Callers] Politically Correct?

2018-03-25 Thread Bob Hofkin via Callers
If I recall the folk song, it's more satirical--she can bake a cherry pie and stuff, and turns out to be older than Billy lets on. See if you can't find lines in one of the versions that shift the focus. Bob On 3/25/2018 02:07, Don Veino via Callers wrote: I've started doing singing

Re: [Callers] Politically Correct?

2018-03-25 Thread Tom Hinds via Callers
In the land of freedom and rugged individualism I find that my choices in many realms of my life are being eaten away. Go for it! Call what you want and don't worry about what others are going to say. For me the PC stuff has gone over board. Calling is difficult enough without having to be

Re: [Callers] Politically Correct?

2018-03-25 Thread Don Veino via Callers
I've started doing singing squares over the past year and have been making adjustments to lyrics for each one I do. So far the changes have been relatively easy - mostly eliminating explicit gender and talking to everyone whenever possible vs. a "talk to the (assumed) lead" focus. There are real

Re: [Callers] Politically Correct?

2018-03-25 Thread Robert Golder via Callers
Thus did Ophelia's suicide become merely an accidental drowning, thanks to Thomas Bowdler, who criticized Shakespeare for exposing his readers to "the danger of being hurt with any indelicacy of expression." On Mar 25, 2018, at 1:39 AM, Alexandra Deis-Lauby via Callers