Re: [Callers] How would you teach this? What would you call it?
Just getting to my email now. I have an ECD with a similar move - star into couples chase out, swap leads, come back in; in my dance, they go around each other, so it's clearly a poussette variation. I tried calling it "dolphin poussette" but that really doesn't speak to people; another caller tried "couples chase out, turn right about and head back in" which got people to the right place but in a more angular way than I'd envisioned. Here's my dance (with terminology from 2010; substitute "shoulder round" and preferred role names where appropriate). --- SOUTHWIND Longways duple minor IMPROPER Southwind (flowing waltz) 16-bar A, 16-bar B, no repeats. 7/1/2010 - Radically revised 6/14/2011, words revised 10/16/2011. A: 1-4: Neighbors right hand turn 1x, launching women into 5-6: half-gypsy R finishing inside set line, facing neighbor 7-8: All chassee up or down to change places with partner while looking at neighbor, finish facing partner. 9-12: Partners left hand turn 1x, launching women into 13-14: half-gypsy L, finishing inside set line facing partner 15-16: All chassee up or down to change places with neighbor (to home place), while looking at partner, finish facing in. B: 1-4:right hand star 1x which leaves men facing out, partners behind them 5-8: "Dolphin Poussette": Partners lead individually the way they're facing cast right to face the other way lead individually into progressed place and women (now in lead) loop right while men continue forward to face in into 9-12: Partners gypsy right shoulder once round into 13-16: Partners two-hand turn once round and open to face new neighbors. Notes: You could also describe the women's half-gypsy as a "hole in the wall" cross but they may want to back out to the set line if you do that. Recommend demo as early part of instruction. The "dolphin poussette" is fairly hard to get across in words, but it does have that "dolphin hey" sense of changing leads. The paths are roughly parallel. Breakdown is something like this: 5: each lead three steps out; at end women are on the men's set line while men are well out from the set line) 6: both start right shoulder cast; man's, on the wider track, gets halfway to neighbor's place while woman's gets all the way 7: man finishes cast still well out from set line while woman crosses set to progressed place facing out 8: man takes three steps forward to set line while woman loops right through her place to face in. - Anyway, for your use case, maybe "turn the star once around, stay facing the way the star leaves you. Single-file in couples, go straight out, individually turn up and go up, individually turn in, and walk in until you're back in the set in a new spot." Star burst is a nice name! -- Alan On 3/8/2019 9:28 AM, Luke Donforth via Callers wrote: Thank you all, for your thoughts and discussion, and I do like the name star burst. As I'd envisioned it, the path on the floor is very much like a poussette, but the dancers wouldn't be holding hands. It's almost like the tandem turn in a dolphin hey; but with motion up and down the hall. I think of zig-zag when there's lateral movement relative to the direction the dancers are looking, which this doesn't have either. So yeah, it's a blender-mix of a bunch of different stuff. I'd be curious to hear more from the square dance callers on the list about the Tag the Line analogy; although I'm unlikely to call it a half-tag. The triplet that inspired it will unfortunately probably not see much use. I'll let folks know if I ever successfully (or unsuccessfully) run it. I'll see if I can work a star burst into another choreography. Star Burst Triplet by: Luke Donforth Proper triplet, 123->231 A1 --- (8) Lines of three, forward and back (8) Partner Do-si-do A2 --- 2s: (8) Lady round two and the gent cut through around 1s above (8) Gent round two and the lady cut through around 3s below B1 --- (8) 1s & 2s Left hand Star at the top (8) 2s & 3s Right hand Star at the bottom B2 --- (6) Star-burst: 1s walk to bottom while 2s and 3s make space and move up (12) partner swing, end facing up Notes: The B2 star-burst: 2s and 3s make room by continuing their direction out of the star. 2s curve up and left, slotting into the 1s position 3s curve up and right, slotting into the 2s position animation of it: https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/292197780/ Thanks again all for kicking it around with me. On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 4:30 PM Luke Donforth mailto:luke.do...@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi All, I'm playing around with choreographing triplets, and I've got a sequence that I think woul
[Callers] Moves Following Box Circulate
Hey all, I've felt like most box circulate dances use the circulate as a buildup into a swing with *someone*. Looking at http://www.contra.dance/thecallersbox, there are only 12 results for dances with a circulate that isn't followed by a swing and 9 of those results don't include their choreography (grumble grumble), so I can't actually confirm that they belong in the result set. I feel like there's a lot of potential for dances that have box circulates followed by something other than a swing. Here are a few I've been messing with: *Peace Is Still the Way* Becket A1 (8) Pass the ocean, balance the wave (6) Ladies allemande left 1.5x while gents orbit cw halfway (2) Partner allemande right 1/4 to long waves, gents in A2 (8) Long waves balance & circulate (gents cross, ladies loop) (8) Long waves balance & circulate - ladies catch RH as they cross, scoop up partner B1 (6) Ladies star promenade right 3/4, next gents catch left (6) Gents star promenade left 3/4 (4) Partner butterfly whirl B2 (6) Ladies dosido (10) Partner swing *Snowbirds* Becket A1 (8) Ladies half hey passing right (4) Ladies chain (4) Gents courtesy turn, roll lady away R to L into long waves (gents in)** A2 (8) Long waves balance & circulate (gents cross, ladies loop) (8) Long waves balance & circulate (ladies cross, gents loop) B1 (8) Mad robin CW, gents in front (8) Circle left 3/4 (better as a chase with eye contact, rather than hands) B2 (16) Partner meltdown swing I'm interested in what people think and also any other dances folks have with different moves following a circulate (other than waves balance + Rory because honestly who are we fooling). Thanks, Isaac Banner http://www.contra.dance/isaac ___ List Name: Callers mailing list List Address: Callers@lists.sharedweight.net Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/
Re: [Callers] How would you teach this? What would you call it?
Well if you have ecd folks on the floor... bottoms star right once around and ease out and pause! Gents will continue up the outside of the set one place as the ladies cast up one place, AND the 1s lead down all the way to the bottom. Go! Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 8, 2019, at 3:49 PM, Luke Donforth via Callers > wrote: > > Here's a crack at putting the star burst in a duple improper choreography. > > Stellar Star Burst > Contra/Improper > > A1 --- > (16) Neighbor gyre and swing > A2 --- > (8) Larks/Gents allemande Left 1-1/2 > (8) Partner swing > B1 --- > (8) Long lines, forward and back > (8) Left hand Star 3/4 > B2 --- > (8) Star Burst: ravens/ladies lead out, curve left; larks/gents lead back in > (single progression) > (8) with new neighbors Right hand Star 1x > > I'm not positive on the timing of B1 & B2. There are a couple of places to > adjust it. This assumes giving folks a little extra time for the star burst, > with a left hand star 3/4x that probably won't take the full 8 counts. If A2 > were circle left 3/4 & partner swing. Then B1 becomes long lines forward and > back with a left hand star 1 & 1/4; which would compress the starburst into > ~6. You could also make it take more time with a double progression (a wider > out, loop, and in; although it might be hard to keep track of). The gyre and > swing at the A1 is pretty forgiving. > > I don't know how different the star burst would feel from a poussette; the > two are very similar; and the above sequence could be rendered: > > A1 --- > (16) Neighbor gyre and swing > A2 --- > (8) Larks allemande Left 1-1/2 > (8) Partner swing > B1 --- > (8) Long lines, forward and back > (8) Circle Right 3/4 > B2 --- > (8) Poussette (larks start push) to progress > (8) With next neighbors Circle Left 1X > > I think I'd rather dance the first one than the second; but I'm not sure it's > worth the teaching time. > >> On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 5:52 PM Angela DeCarlis wrote: >> I would probably get everyone into their final positions first before >> teaching the move, so's that everyone knows where they'll end up. >> >> After that the language would look something like, "Star Right all the way >> around. With your partner and without hands, slide out and away from the >> center of the set in the direction that feels comfortable moving out of that >> star. Ones move up through the center. Twos and Threes, slide back into the >> set into the positions we previewed earlier." >> >> It would be slightly easier to teach if it weren't proper! Then you could >> specify who's leading whom for those slides. >> >> I like this move and would like to see a version of it in a duple improper >> choreography, please! Sans the folks moving through the center, >> unfortunately. >> >> Angela >> >> >>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2019, 5:15 PM QuiAnn2 via Callers >>> wrote: >>> If it isn’t already a defined move it should most definitely be called a >>> “star burst”!! >>> >>> Jacqui Grennan >>> On Mar 7, 2019, at 1:30 PM, Luke Donforth via Callers wrote: Hi All, I'm playing around with choreographing triplets, and I've got a sequence that I think would flow well; but I'm not sure how to teach it short of a demo. The idea is that couples 2 & 3 do a star. Out of that star, they move out, up, and back in; leaving space in the middle for couple 1 to move to the bottom. I put together an animation of it: https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/292197780/ Is that already a defined move? What would you call it? How would you teach it? Thanks for your thoughts! -- Luke Donforth luke.donfo...@gmail.com ___ List Name: Callers mailing list List Address: Callers@lists.sharedweight.net Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/ >>> >>> ___ >>> List Name: Callers mailing list >>> List Address: Callers@lists.sharedweight.net >>> Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/ > > > -- > Luke Donforth > luke.donfo...@gmail.com > ___ > List Name: Callers mailing list > List Address: Callers@lists.sharedweight.net > Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/ ___ List Name: Callers mailing list List Address: Callers@lists.sharedweight.net Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/
Re: [Callers] How would you teach this? What would you call it?
Here's a crack at putting the star burst in a duple improper choreography. Stellar Star Burst Contra/Improper A1 --- (16) Neighbor gyre and swing A2 --- (8) Larks/Gents allemande Left 1-1/2 (8) Partner swing B1 --- (8) Long lines, forward and back (8) Left hand Star 3/4 B2 --- (8) Star Burst: ravens/ladies lead out, curve left; larks/gents lead back in (single progression) (8) with new neighbors Right hand Star 1x I'm not positive on the timing of B1 & B2. There are a couple of places to adjust it. This assumes giving folks a little extra time for the star burst, with a left hand star 3/4x that probably won't take the full 8 counts. If A2 were circle left 3/4 & partner swing. Then B1 becomes long lines forward and back with a left hand star 1 & 1/4; which would compress the starburst into ~6. You could also make it take more time with a double progression (a wider out, loop, and in; although it might be hard to keep track of). The gyre and swing at the A1 is pretty forgiving. I don't know how different the star burst would feel from a poussette; the two are very similar; and the above sequence could be rendered: A1 --- (16) Neighbor gyre and swing A2 --- (8) Larks allemande Left 1-1/2 (8) Partner swing B1 --- (8) Long lines, forward and back (8) Circle Right 3/4 B2 --- (8) Poussette (larks start push) to progress (8) With next neighbors Circle Left 1X I think I'd rather dance the first one than the second; but I'm not sure it's worth the teaching time. On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 5:52 PM Angela DeCarlis wrote: > I would probably get everyone into their final positions first before > teaching the move, so's that everyone knows where they'll end up. > > After that the language would look something like, "Star Right all the way > around. With your partner and without hands, slide out and away from the > center of the set in the direction that feels comfortable moving out of > that star. Ones move up through the center. Twos and Threes, slide back > into the set into the positions we previewed earlier." > > It would be slightly easier to teach if it weren't proper! Then you could > specify who's leading whom for those slides. > > I like this move and would like to see a version of it in a duple improper > choreography, please! Sans the folks moving through the center, > unfortunately. > > Angela > > > On Thu, Mar 7, 2019, 5:15 PM QuiAnn2 via Callers < > callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > >> If it isn’t already a defined move it should most definitely be called a >> “star burst”!! >> >> Jacqui Grennan >> >> On Mar 7, 2019, at 1:30 PM, Luke Donforth via Callers < >> callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> I'm playing around with choreographing triplets, and I've got a sequence >> that I think would flow well; but I'm not sure how to teach it short of a >> demo. >> >> The idea is that couples 2 & 3 do a star. Out of that star, they move >> out, up, and back in; leaving space in the middle for couple 1 to move to >> the bottom. >> >> I put together an animation of it: >> https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/292197780/ >> >> Is that already a defined move? What would you call it? How would you >> teach it? >> >> Thanks for your thoughts! >> >> -- >> Luke Donforth >> luke.donfo...@gmail.com >> ___ >> List Name: Callers mailing list >> List Address: Callers@lists.sharedweight.net >> Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/ >> >> >> ___ >> List Name: Callers mailing list >> List Address: Callers@lists.sharedweight.net >> Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/ >> > -- Luke Donforth luke.donfo...@gmail.com ___ List Name: Callers mailing list List Address: Callers@lists.sharedweight.net Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/
Re: [Callers] Who’s in the middle?
Thanks! I want more dances in my box that familiarize folks with dancing with all the people even if they aren’t expecting it, but to have that built into the dance. So this is for dance communities that don’t have a lot of swapping and aren’t as skilled overall. So on the simpler side (but not boring). So things like roger Diggle’s who’s in the middle or simple right handed gents chain dances that get folks to do things outside their “normal”, but are still pretty easy so they experience success with it. Thanks for all the suggestions so far! The harder ones are god too though, just for a slightly different purpose. A Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 8, 2019, at 3:07 PM, QuiAnn2 wrote: > > Ann Arbor One > by Al Olson > Contra/Becket-CW/Easy > > A1 --- > (8) Star Left 3/4 > (8) NEW N allemande RT to short wavy lines (anyone in middle) <=PROGRESSION > A2 --- > (8) Balance and slide to the right (as in Rory O’More) > (8) Balance and slide to the left (as in Rory O’More) > B1 --- > (8) Pull by this N with RH to begin 1/2 Hey (pass Left shoulders in the > middle) > (8) Same N Sw > B2 --- > (6) Circle Left 3/4 > (10) P Sw > > >> On Mar 8, 2019, at 7:27 AM, Alexandra Deis-Lauby via Callers >> wrote: >> >> Anyone have a simple wave dance where it doesn’t matter which role is in the >> middle of the wave? >> >> Kind of like Bob Isaacs’ double your fun but easier. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Alex >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> ___ >> List Name: Callers mailing list >> List Address: Callers@lists.sharedweight.net >> Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/ > ___ List Name: Callers mailing list List Address: Callers@lists.sharedweight.net Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/
Re: [Callers] Who’s in the middle?
Ann Arbor One by Al Olson Contra/Becket-CW/Easy A1 --- (8) Star Left 3/4 (8) NEW N allemande RT to short wavy lines (anyone in middle) <=PROGRESSION A2 --- (8) Balance and slide to the right (as in Rory O’More) (8) Balance and slide to the left (as in Rory O’More) B1 --- (8) Pull by this N with RH to begin 1/2 Hey (pass Left shoulders in the middle) (8) Same N Sw B2 --- (6) Circle Left 3/4 (10) P Sw > On Mar 8, 2019, at 7:27 AM, Alexandra Deis-Lauby via Callers > wrote: > > Anyone have a simple wave dance where it doesn’t matter which role is in the > middle of the wave? > > Kind of like Bob Isaacs’ double your fun but easier. > > Thanks! > > Alex > > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > List Name: Callers mailing list > List Address: Callers@lists.sharedweight.net > Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/ ___ List Name: Callers mailing list List Address: Callers@lists.sharedweight.net Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/
Re: [Callers] Who’s in the middle?
Do you specifically want folks in the middle of short line? Or would a long line at the sides work as well? Erik Hoffman's Missing Duck sets up a long lines Rory O'More with a partner allemande. If folks over or under allemande that, then the other person is facing in and starts the hey. It all resolves with the partner balance and swing on the other side Other partner Rory O'More dances would probably behave similarly, although it might not be as smooth to set up the swap as allemande +/- an extra 1/2. Missing Duck by Erik Hoffman Contra/Becket-CW A1 --- Slide Left to new couple (8) Circle Left 1X (8) Partner allemande Right 1-1/2 to long wavy line (w face in) A2 --- (8) Balance and slide to the right (as in Rory O’More) (8) Balance and slide to the left (as in Rory O’More) B1 --- (16) Hey, ravens passing left shoulders B2 --- (16) Partner balance and swing On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 2:25 PM Bob Isaacs via Callers < callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > Hi Alex and All: > > This may or not be what you're asking for, but the following role-free > contra was written where any dancer can be at any position in the wave. I > learned in writing this that it was too difficult for me to include a > neighbor swing, keep it role-free, and have all stay with their partner - > Bob > > *Make No Assumptions* Becket-L, role-free > > > A1. 8 Long lines forward and back > > 8 Circle L ¾ and pass through > > > A2. 8 N2 dosido 1¼ to wave/4 > (1) > > 4,4 Balance, N2 allemande R > > > B1. 16Hey (CL, PR, OL, N2R) > > > B2. 4 Centers pass L > > 12Partner swing > > > Written on April 11, 2014, and first called on April 23, 2014 at > Princeton, NJ. Written at the suggestion of Paul Sawyer of Massachusetts, > who was interested in role-free dances. > > > (1) – With centers (C) taking L hands in the center and outsides (O) > taking R hands on the side. > > > > -- > *From:* Callers on behalf of > Alexandra Deis-Lauby via Callers > *Sent:* Friday, March 8, 2019 10:27 AM > *To:* call...@sharedweight.net > *Subject:* [Callers] Who’s in the middle? > > Anyone have a simple wave dance where it doesn’t matter which role is in > the middle of the wave? > > Kind of like Bob Isaacs’ double your fun but easier. > > Thanks! > > Alex > > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > List Name: Callers mailing list > List Address: Callers@lists.sharedweight.net > Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/ > ___ > List Name: Callers mailing list > List Address: Callers@lists.sharedweight.net > Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/ > -- Luke Donforth luke.donfo...@gmail.com ___ List Name: Callers mailing list List Address: Callers@lists.sharedweight.net Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/
Re: [Callers] Who’s in the middle?
Hi Alex and All: This may or not be what you're asking for, but the following role-free contra was written where any dancer can be at any position in the wave. I learned in writing this that it was too difficult for me to include a neighbor swing, keep it role-free, and have all stay with their partner - Bob Make No Assumptions Becket-L, role-free A1. 8 Long lines forward and back 8 Circle L ¾ and pass through A2. 8 N2 dosido 1¼ to wave/4 (1) 4,4 Balance, N2 allemande R B1. 16Hey (CL, PR, OL, N2R) B2. 4 Centers pass L 12Partner swing Written on April 11, 2014, and first called on April 23, 2014 at Princeton, NJ. Written at the suggestion of Paul Sawyer of Massachusetts, who was interested in role-free dances. (1) – With centers (C) taking L hands in the center and outsides (O) taking R hands on the side. From: Callers on behalf of Alexandra Deis-Lauby via Callers Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 10:27 AM To: call...@sharedweight.net Subject: [Callers] Who’s in the middle? Anyone have a simple wave dance where it doesn’t matter which role is in the middle of the wave? Kind of like Bob Isaacs’ double your fun but easier. Thanks! Alex Sent from my iPhone ___ List Name: Callers mailing list List Address: Callers@lists.sharedweight.net Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/ ___ List Name: Callers mailing list List Address: Callers@lists.sharedweight.net Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/
Re: [Callers] How would you teach this? What would you call it?
Thank you all, for your thoughts and discussion, and I do like the name star burst. As I'd envisioned it, the path on the floor is very much like a poussette, but the dancers wouldn't be holding hands. It's almost like the tandem turn in a dolphin hey; but with motion up and down the hall. I think of zig-zag when there's lateral movement relative to the direction the dancers are looking, which this doesn't have either. So yeah, it's a blender-mix of a bunch of different stuff. I'd be curious to hear more from the square dance callers on the list about the Tag the Line analogy; although I'm unlikely to call it a half-tag. The triplet that inspired it will unfortunately probably not see much use. I'll let folks know if I ever successfully (or unsuccessfully) run it. I'll see if I can work a star burst into another choreography. Star Burst Triplet by: Luke Donforth Proper triplet, 123->231 A1 --- (8) Lines of three, forward and back (8) Partner Do-si-do A2 --- 2s: (8) Lady round two and the gent cut through around 1s above (8) Gent round two and the lady cut through around 3s below B1 --- (8) 1s & 2s Left hand Star at the top (8) 2s & 3s Right hand Star at the bottom B2 --- (6) Star-burst: 1s walk to bottom while 2s and 3s make space and move up (12) partner swing, end facing up Notes: The B2 star-burst: 2s and 3s make room by continuing their direction out of the star. 2s curve up and left, slotting into the 1s position 3s curve up and right, slotting into the 2s position animation of it: https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/292197780/ Thanks again all for kicking it around with me. On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 4:30 PM Luke Donforth wrote: > Hi All, > > I'm playing around with choreographing triplets, and I've got a sequence > that I think would flow well; but I'm not sure how to teach it short of a > demo. > > The idea is that couples 2 & 3 do a star. Out of that star, they move out, > up, and back in; leaving space in the middle for couple 1 to move to the > bottom. > > I put together an animation of it: > https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/292197780/ > > Is that already a defined move? What would you call it? How would you > teach it? > > Thanks for your thoughts! > > -- > Luke Donforth > luke.donfo...@gmail.com > -- Luke Donforth luke.donfo...@gmail.com ___ List Name: Callers mailing list List Address: Callers@lists.sharedweight.net Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/
Re: [Callers] Who’s in the middle?
Alexandra, >From the subject line of your note I'm guessing you're familiar with Roger Diggle's Two Whos in the Middle, but I'm sending it offline in case you're not. --Jerome Jerome Grisanti 660-528-0858 http://www.jeromegrisanti.com "Whatever you do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius and power and magic in it." --Johann Wolfgang von Goethe On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 9:27 AM Alexandra Deis-Lauby via Callers < callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > Anyone have a simple wave dance where it doesn’t matter which role is in > the middle of the wave? > > Kind of like Bob Isaacs’ double your fun but easier. > > Thanks! > > Alex > > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > List Name: Callers mailing list > List Address: Callers@lists.sharedweight.net > Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/ > ___ List Name: Callers mailing list List Address: Callers@lists.sharedweight.net Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/
[Callers] Who’s in the middle?
Anyone have a simple wave dance where it doesn’t matter which role is in the middle of the wave? Kind of like Bob Isaacs’ double your fun but easier. Thanks! Alex Sent from my iPhone ___ List Name: Callers mailing list List Address: Callers@lists.sharedweight.net Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/callers@lists.sharedweight.net/
