Re: [Callers] Young Adult Rose

[Alan Winston via Callers]

Of course you're funning, but this gives me the chance to refer to an 
incident described in Herbert Asbury's book, "The French Quarter", where 
a riot broke out in c. 1800 New Orleans and someone was killed because 
of a conflict over whether to do American or French contradanses at a 
public ball.


--Alan


On 3/28/16 4:22 AM, Michael Fuerst via Callers wrote:
The incident that actually ignited the French Revolution was a group 
of dancers at a public dance in Paris  who insisted on a left 
allemande, despite the caller's pleas for a right allemande--much more 
mundane than the incident at Fort Sumter which ignited the United 
States' Civil War, or the assassination of Duke Ferdinand which 
ignited WWI.

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Re: [Callers] Young Adult Rose

[Tom Hinds via Callers]

Kalia,

I wouldn't hesitate changing a dance.  I call variations of other  
people's dances and my own all the time.  It's good for variety's  
sake if nothing else.


The pass through, allemande right and swing combination forces the  
dancers to use three "rights" in a row.  The most awkward part is  
going from the allemande right into the swing.  In my opinion a left  
allemande is the better choice as the dancers told you.


In Another Nice Combination the three "rights" are not an issue  
because dancers don't touch when they do-si-do.


Tom

Re: [Callers] Young Adult Rose

[Michael Fuerst via Callers]

The incident that actually ignited the French Revolution was a group of dancers 
at a public dance in Paris  who insisted on a left allemande, despite the 
caller's pleas for a right allemande--much more mundane than the incident at 
Fort Sumter which ignited the United States' Civil War, or the assassination of 
Duke Ferdinand which ignited WWI. Michael Fuerst      802 N Broadway      
Urbana IL 61801  217 239 5844Links to photos of many of my drawings and 
paintings are at www.ArtComesFuerst.com 

Re: [Callers] Young Adult Rose

[JD Erskine via Callers]

On 2016-03-27 1713, Kalia Kliban via Callers wrote:


Hmm, this is interesting.  I picked it up from JoLaine Jones-Pokorney's
site, where it's written as allemande R.  I haven't been able to find
the notes anywhere else, when I was looking to see whether I just had an
odd version.  Anybody else have this in their files?  Is it left or
right in your version?

Kalia


Thank you for her name, this dance, and your notes about the experience.

I probably said too much about my process (a repeat "fault"), sort of a 
thinking out loud, "I need this format" kind of thing. I hope it didn't 
look too pissy.


I frequently don't respond to posts when I have to work out where to 
start from (lack of common context), however felt like trying to help out.


It was fun having a read of the post you had that set of directions 
from. (It didn't turn up in my search for the dance, which is strange 
given the quality of returns from my first choice search engines.) I've 
also been working up to offering a medley, so it's nice to have yet 
another perspective on how to build one, for the dancers and oneself.


Jonathon's comments about alternating one movement is what I'd drifted 
to as a likely stumbling block myself. Funny thing is we just danced 
Dargason today in an advanced-ish English afternoon session. As you 
likely know it ends with a long hey for eight, with hands. I saw some of 
my friends balk at using the same hand to re-enter the hey however 
they'd not have hesitated to offer the appropriate shoulder without that 
(hand) indicator that it was the same pass, seemingly twice in a row, 
that they were dancing.


A nice ECdance we did a few weeks ago has a pass one by the right and 
gypsy right the next. Doable, once one lays down the geography for it.


Fun fun fun.

Cheers, John
--
J.D. Erskine
Victoria, BC

Re: [Callers] Young Adult Rose

[Kalia Kliban via Callers]

On 3/27/2016 6:15 PM, David A Kaynor via Callers wrote:

Hi Everyone,

The “Young Adult Rose” which I made up goes thus:

Duple Improper
A1:  w/neighbor, balance and swing end progressed
A2:  Circle left 3/4 til gents are back home; w/partner, pass right
shoulder; w/shadow, left hand turn
B1:  With partner, balance and swing
B2:  Ladies chain across; star left


Thank you so much for chiming in on this!


I will just observe that, even if different from and perhaps somewhat
less satisfying than what I made up, having to turn with *right*
hands rather than left hands seems a bit inconsequential to me,
considering what’s going on in the world around us  these days.


As problems go, it's a delightful one to have.


One might well wonder if the revolting individuals chose to at least be
gracious.


They were having a good time but fighting mightily with their (as it 
turned out, correct) inclinations to allemande left.  There was a 
collective sigh of relief when I made the change from the mic.  This is 
a group with a lot of beginners, and I had just given them a 
no-walk-through medley for possibly their first time (it was certainly 
my first time).  We were all finding our way through it together, and it 
was a good ride.


Kalia

Re: [Callers] Young Adult Rose

[David A Kaynor via Callers]

Hi Everyone,

The “Young Adult Rose” which I made up goes thus:

Duple Improper

A1:  w/neighbor, balance and swing
end progressed

A2:  Circle left 3/4 til gents are back home;
w/partner, pass right shoulder;
w/shadow, left hand turn

B1:  With partner, balance and swing

B2:  Ladies chain across;
star left

The only differences from The Baby Rose are (1) the title, the “baby” having 
become a “young adult” when, over 20 years later, we met at Camp Unirondack and 
he introduced himself (“I was the Baby Rose!”), and (2) the latter part of A2, 
wherein the arguably overly accommodating partner dos-a-dos morphs into what's 
above.

I will just observe that, even if different from and perhaps somewhat less 
satisfying than what I made up, having to turn with *right* hands rather than 
left hands seems a bit inconsequential to me, considering what’s going on in 
the world around us  these days.  One might well wonder if the revolting 
individuals chose to at least be gracious.

David Kaynor

> On Mar 27, 2016, at 8:13 PM, Kalia Kliban via Callers 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 3/27/2016 5:09 PM, JD Erskine via Callers wrote:
>> On 2016-03-27 1324, Kalia Kliban via Callers wrote:
>>> I called Young Adult Rose last night and experienced a near-complete
>>> dancer revolt about the shadow allemande.  The dance is written with a
>>> circle left 3/4, pass P by R along the line then allemande shadow R 1x,
>>> before coming back to P for a balance and swing.  The dancers all
>>> _really_ wanted to do the allemande by the left.  I tried calling it a
>>> few times with the R hand, then gave up and called it L and they were
>>> all much happier.  Anyone else experienced this?
>>> 
>>> Kalia
>> 
>> I don't have the dance mentioned so I started to analyse what I'd be
>> able to respond to by reformatting the above to short lines of complete,
>> necessary words. I just couldn't picture it in the narrative style.
>> 
>> It looked like I was missing something for my understanding of the
>> dance. I didn't find it on-line, however looking in my personal archives
>> of this list I found a discussion about the dance from 2012.10.26-28
>> 
>> According to one poster Young Adult Rose _is_ danced with an allemande
>> left.
>> 
>> Young Adult Rose
>> 
>> Dup imp/L2i
>> 
>> A1 N Bal. & Sw
>> A2 Cir. L 3/4, pass through
>>   Shadow Al. L 1x
>> B1 P Bal. & Sw
>> B2 Ladies Chain
>>  LH Star 1x
>> 
>> "identical to "Baby" except for the A2."
> 
> Hmm, this is interesting.  I picked it up from JoLaine Jones-Pokorney's site, 
> where it's written as allemande R.  I haven't been able to find the notes 
> anywhere else, when I was looking to see whether I just had an odd version.  
> Anybody else have this in their files?  Is it left or right in your version?
> 
> Kalia
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Re: [Callers] Young Adult Rose

[Kalia Kliban via Callers]

On 3/27/2016 5:09 PM, JD Erskine via Callers wrote:

On 2016-03-27 1324, Kalia Kliban via Callers wrote:

I called Young Adult Rose last night and experienced a near-complete
dancer revolt about the shadow allemande.  The dance is written with a
circle left 3/4, pass P by R along the line then allemande shadow R 1x,
before coming back to P for a balance and swing.  The dancers all
_really_ wanted to do the allemande by the left.  I tried calling it a
few times with the R hand, then gave up and called it L and they were
all much happier.  Anyone else experienced this?

Kalia


I don't have the dance mentioned so I started to analyse what I'd be
able to respond to by reformatting the above to short lines of complete,
necessary words. I just couldn't picture it in the narrative style.

It looked like I was missing something for my understanding of the
dance. I didn't find it on-line, however looking in my personal archives
of this list I found a discussion about the dance from 2012.10.26-28

According to one poster Young Adult Rose _is_ danced with an allemande
left.

Young Adult Rose

Dup imp/L2i

A1 N Bal. & Sw
A2 Cir. L 3/4, pass through
   Shadow Al. L 1x
B1 P Bal. & Sw
B2 Ladies Chain
  LH Star 1x

"identical to "Baby" except for the A2."


Hmm, this is interesting.  I picked it up from JoLaine Jones-Pokorney's 
site, where it's written as allemande R.  I haven't been able to find 
the notes anywhere else, when I was looking to see whether I just had an 
odd version.  Anybody else have this in their files?  Is it left or 
right in your version?


Kalia

Re: [Callers] Young Adult Rose

[JD Erskine via Callers]

On 2016-03-27 1324, Kalia Kliban via Callers wrote:

I called Young Adult Rose last night and experienced a near-complete
dancer revolt about the shadow allemande.  The dance is written with a
circle left 3/4, pass P by R along the line then allemande shadow R 1x,
before coming back to P for a balance and swing.  The dancers all
_really_ wanted to do the allemande by the left.  I tried calling it a
few times with the R hand, then gave up and called it L and they were
all much happier.  Anyone else experienced this?

Kalia


I don't have the dance mentioned so I started to analyse what I'd be 
able to respond to by reformatting the above to short lines of complete, 
necessary words. I just couldn't picture it in the narrative style.


It looked like I was missing something for my understanding of the 
dance. I didn't find it on-line, however looking in my personal archives 
of this list I found a discussion about the dance from 2012.10.26-28


According to one poster Young Adult Rose _is_ danced with an allemande left.

Young Adult Rose

Dup imp/L2i

A1 N Bal. & Sw
A2 Cir. L 3/4, pass through
  Shadow Al. L 1x
B1 P Bal. & Sw
B2 Ladies Chain
 LH Star 1x

"identical to "Baby" except for the A2."

Cheers, John
--
J.D. Erskine
Victoria, BC

Re: [Callers] Young Adult Rose

[Bob Morgan via Callers]

As I visualize the figure I'm thinking that shadow allemande right is less
than one, essentially enough to take the dancers around each other to
change direction only but changing from outside to inside track or vice
versa.  They're then heading back on the other track to balance and swing
(actually I'd prefer to go without the balance to maintain momentum, but it
elongates the swing) in the right orientation to enter the swing properly.
If you call it as a whole allemande I'd agree left is easier for entering
the swing.

I've never had an outright rebellion, a fair amount of misinterpretation
from caller and dancers and dances just not working but they're generally
fairly amenable.

Bob

On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 12:41 AM, Rich Sbardella via Callers <
callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

> In Another Nice Combination, dancers Pass P by R to Shadow DSD which is a
> right (handed) move, before returning to a partner swing.  There is no
> choice required since DSD is almost always right shoulder.
>
> Rich
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Jonathan Sivier via Callers <
> callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
>>I've not encountered problems with dancers not doing the figures
>> described in the dance, but I have experienced a certain amount of
>> dissatisfaction when dancing dances with similar figures.  I think there is
>> a tendency to want to alternate hands/shoulders as you encounter other
>> dancers.  Similar to a hey or Right and Left Grand if you pass one person
>> by the right the tendency is to want to interact with the next by the
>> left.  This can be overcome, but requires thinking about what the next
>> figure is rather than just doing it and it can make it difficult to "get
>> into the groove" the way many dancers like to do.  I don't think this is
>> always the case, but I have certainly come across occasions when it just
>> seemed like we were turning by the wrong hand or whatever.
>>
>> Jonathan
>> -
>> Jonathan Sivier
>> Caller of Contra, Square, English and Early American Dances
>> jsivier AT illinois DOT edu
>> Dance Page: http://www.sivier.me/dance_leader.html
>> -
>> Q: How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
>> A: It depends on what dance you call!
>>
>> On 3/27/2016 3:24 PM, Kalia Kliban via Callers wrote:
>>
>>> I called Young Adult Rose last night and experienced a near-complete
>>> dancer revolt about the shadow allemande.  The dance is written with a
>>> circle left 3/4, pass P by R along the line then allemande shadow R 1x,
>>> before coming back to P for a balance and swing.  The dancers all
>>> _really_ wanted to do the allemande by the left.  I tried calling it a
>>> few times with the R hand, then gave up and called it L and they were
>>> all much happier.  Anyone else experienced this?
>>>
>>> Kalia
>>>
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Re: [Callers] Young Adult Rose

[Rich Sbardella via Callers]

In Another Nice Combination, dancers Pass P by R to Shadow DSD which is a
right (handed) move, before returning to a partner swing.  There is no
choice required since DSD is almost always right shoulder.

Rich


On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Jonathan Sivier via Callers <
callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

>I've not encountered problems with dancers not doing the figures
> described in the dance, but I have experienced a certain amount of
> dissatisfaction when dancing dances with similar figures.  I think there is
> a tendency to want to alternate hands/shoulders as you encounter other
> dancers.  Similar to a hey or Right and Left Grand if you pass one person
> by the right the tendency is to want to interact with the next by the
> left.  This can be overcome, but requires thinking about what the next
> figure is rather than just doing it and it can make it difficult to "get
> into the groove" the way many dancers like to do.  I don't think this is
> always the case, but I have certainly come across occasions when it just
> seemed like we were turning by the wrong hand or whatever.
>
> Jonathan
> -
> Jonathan Sivier
> Caller of Contra, Square, English and Early American Dances
> jsivier AT illinois DOT edu
> Dance Page: http://www.sivier.me/dance_leader.html
> -
> Q: How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
> A: It depends on what dance you call!
>
> On 3/27/2016 3:24 PM, Kalia Kliban via Callers wrote:
>
>> I called Young Adult Rose last night and experienced a near-complete
>> dancer revolt about the shadow allemande.  The dance is written with a
>> circle left 3/4, pass P by R along the line then allemande shadow R 1x,
>> before coming back to P for a balance and swing.  The dancers all
>> _really_ wanted to do the allemande by the left.  I tried calling it a
>> few times with the R hand, then gave up and called it L and they were
>> all much happier.  Anyone else experienced this?
>>
>> Kalia
>>
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Re: [Callers] Young Adult Rose

[Jonathan Sivier via Callers]

   I've not encountered problems with dancers not doing the figures 
described in the dance, but I have experienced a certain amount of 
dissatisfaction when dancing dances with similar figures.  I think there 
is a tendency to want to alternate hands/shoulders as you encounter 
other dancers.  Similar to a hey or Right and Left Grand if you pass one 
person by the right the tendency is to want to interact with the next by 
the left.  This can be overcome, but requires thinking about what the 
next figure is rather than just doing it and it can make it difficult to 
"get into the groove" the way many dancers like to do.  I don't think 
this is always the case, but I have certainly come across occasions when 
it just seemed like we were turning by the wrong hand or whatever.


Jonathan
-
Jonathan Sivier
Caller of Contra, Square, English and Early American Dances
jsivier AT illinois DOT edu
Dance Page: http://www.sivier.me/dance_leader.html
-
Q: How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
A: It depends on what dance you call!

On 3/27/2016 3:24 PM, Kalia Kliban via Callers wrote:

I called Young Adult Rose last night and experienced a near-complete
dancer revolt about the shadow allemande.  The dance is written with a
circle left 3/4, pass P by R along the line then allemande shadow R 1x,
before coming back to P for a balance and swing.  The dancers all
_really_ wanted to do the allemande by the left.  I tried calling it a
few times with the R hand, then gave up and called it L and they were
all much happier.  Anyone else experienced this?

Kalia

[Callers] Young Adult Rose

[Michael Fuerst via Callers]

 May this be your biggest disappointment in life.  :)
(Allemande left works much  better, because it gives dancers a better direction 
for starting  the swing.When calling the dance on a Saturday I probably use 
left shoulder gypsy instead of the allemande.) Michael Fuerst      802 N 
Broadway      Urbana IL 61801  217 239 5844  

[Callers] Young Adult Rose

[Kalia Kliban via Callers]

I called Young Adult Rose last night and experienced a near-complete 
dancer revolt about the shadow allemande.  The dance is written with a 
circle left 3/4, pass P by R along the line then allemande shadow R 1x, 
before coming back to P for a balance and swing.  The dancers all 
_really_ wanted to do the allemande by the left.  I tried calling it a 
few times with the R hand, then gave up and called it L and they were 
all much happier.  Anyone else experienced this?


Kalia