Re: [Callers] Building to Contra Corners

[pmcfarli via Callers]

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 Original message From: Bob Green via Callers 
 Date: 2/21/19  2:39 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: Jacob 
or Nancy Bloom  Cc: callers 
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Building to Contra Corners Ted's Triplet #7 is my go-to dance for introducing 
contra corners.BobOn Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 5:10 PM Jacob or Nancy Bloom via 
Callers  wrote:If you ever do triplets at your 
dance, you could teach the figure in a triplet first.  Ted's Triplet #7 uses 
it, if I recall correctly.JacobOn Wed, Feb 20, 2019, 5:30 PM Richard Hart via 
Callers  On Feb 20, 2019, at 4:37 PM, Hannah Chamb via Callers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, first time posting here!
> 
> I'm new-ish to calling and I've yet to call contra corners. I think I'm up 
> for the challenge and could teach the figure itself, but I still think it's a 
> tricky one for dancers in all but the most experienced crowds. A few callers 
> I know have advised me to build up to a challenging figure like contra 
> corners over the course of an evening by calling dances that echo the skills 
> the dancers will need later. 
> 
> With that in mind, what dances would you call early in the evening in a 
> mixed-level group that would help "teach" dancers the skills they need to be 
> successful at contra corners? 
> 
> I've been thinking I should include an easy proper-ish dance, and maybe a 
> dance with allemandes outside the minor set... anything else come to mind?
> 
> Thanks in advance, 
> Hannah Chamberlain
> Westbrook, ME
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Re: [Callers] Building to Contra Corners

[Dugan Murphy via Callers]

Hi, Hannah!

I very much second Alex Deis-Lauby's recommendations.  The difficulty in a
contra corners figure in contra formation is two-fold: the out-of-minor-set
interaction and the short allemandes.  If you can get the dancers to do
short allemandes earlier in the evening and use a dance without interaction
outside the minor set (as in, a triplet or 3-face-3), then you've prepared
them for one point of difficulty and removed the other.

My favorite triplet for contra corners is "Microcasmic Triplet" by Ann
Fallon and my favorite in 3-face-3 formation is "Down by the Riverside" by
Melanie Axel-Lute.  The choreography for both are in others' responses.

If you determined to call contra corners in contra formation, I recommend
"Labor of Love" by Kathy Anderson (choreography here:
http://dancevideos.childgrove.org/contra/contra-modern/196-labor-of-love)
because it uses a box-the-gnat to get actives to trade places before the
contra corners figure, rather than a half-figure-eight, which is much more
difficult for newer dancers.  "Labor of Love" also allows ones and twos to
trade off being active.

Good luck!

Dugan Murphy
Portland, Maine
dugan at duganmurphy.com
www.DuganMurphy.com
www.PortlandIntownContraDance.com
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> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2019 16:37:54 -0500
> From: Hannah Chamb 
> To: callers@lists.sharedweight.net
> Subject: [Callers] Building to Contra Corners
>
> Hi all, first time posting here!
>
> I'm new-ish to calling and I've yet to call contra corners. I think I'm up
> for the challenge and could teach the figure itself, but I still think it's
> a tricky one for dancers in all but the most experienced crowds. A few
> callers I know have advised me to build up to a challenging figure like
> contra corners over the course of an evening by calling dances that echo
> the skills the dancers will need later.
>
> With that in mind, what dances would you call early in the evening in a
> mixed-level group that would help "teach" dancers the skills they need to
> be successful at contra corners?
>
> I've been thinking I should include an easy proper-ish dance, and maybe a
> dance with allemandes outside the minor set... anything else come to mind?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Hannah Chamberlain
> Westbrook, ME
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Re: [Callers] Building to Contra Corners

[Bob Green via Callers]

This is a building block. I would never call another contra corners in the
same evening. In St. Louis, where we often dance contra corners, there
would rarely be the need for "contra corners for dummies" version. I did
call it once inSt. Louis this last year, but that  was to help revive the
triplet.

On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 7:14 AM Mac Mckeever via Callers <
callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

> My concern with introducing CC in  triplet is if you do that and then turn
> around and do it in a contra you have done it twice in one program - and
> probably very close together.  I wouldn't want to do that
>
> Mac McKeever
>
> On Thursday, February 21, 2019, 12:12:29 AM CST, Chris Page via Callers <
> callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
>
> Like many others, I recommend a triplet or 3-face-3. You're not going
> out of your minor set, and not everyone's active all the time.
>
> I recommend:
> Corner Triplet (Linda Leslie)
> Melanie's Triplet (Melanie Axel-Lute)
> Microchasmic Triplet (Ann Fallon)
>
> or
>
> Down by the Riverside (3-face-3 by Melanie Axel-Lute)
>
> I don't recommend Ted's Triplet #7, because it also includes a proper
> right-and-left through, which many people these days are more
> unfamiliar with than contra corners.
>
> -Chris Page
> San Diego, CA
>
> On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 1:38 PM Hannah Chamb via Callers
>  wrote:
> >
> > Hi all, first time posting here!
> >
> > I'm new-ish to calling and I've yet to call contra corners. I think I'm
> up for the challenge and could teach the figure itself, but I still think
> it's a tricky one for dancers in all but the most experienced crowds. A few
> callers I know have advised me to build up to a challenging figure like
> contra corners over the course of an evening by calling dances that echo
> the skills the dancers will need later.
> >
> > With that in mind, what dances would you call early in the evening in a
> mixed-level group that would help "teach" dancers the skills they need to
> be successful at contra corners?
> >
> > I've been thinking I should include an easy proper-ish dance, and maybe
> a dance with allemandes outside the minor set... anything else come to mind?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Hannah Chamberlain
> > Westbrook, ME
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Re: [Callers] Building to Contra Corners

[Grant Goodyear via Callers]

Linda Leslie's Corner Triplet is the dance that I'll often use to teach
Contra Corners.  I call it every year or two.

That said, I call Chorus Jig at roughly every other dance I call (so
roughly 3-4 times per year), often as the second-to-last dance of the
evening, and I don't really worry about prepping the dancers with anything
other than just a careful walk through.

Here are my tips for teaching contra corners, for whatever they're worth:

   - I'll often start by pointing out that although the 1s do most of the
   moving, it is having engaged 2s that really makes the figure work. (Might
   have learned that from Erik Hoffman, but I'm not sure.) The 2s have time to
   think about who should be coming to them next, and assist to make that
   happen. There really is more to being a 2 than just holding up your left
   hand.
   - I'll have 1s identify the corners by pointing both hands at his or her
   P, then spreading them apart to point at the people next to the P (rt hd is
   1st corner, lf hd is 2nd corner). I try to make sure that not only does the
   1 identify the corner, but that each corner also connects with the active.
   Yes, it's exceedingly hokey. I nonetheless do it every single time, because
   it seems to help.
   - I'll sometimes walk it through again with the previous 2s being
   actives, so everybody gets to have the experience before the music starts.
   I'm on the fence on whether or not that does more harm than good. With
   Linda's triplet, I'll just walk it through 3 times, and there's something
   to be said for that.
   - For reasons I've never understood, my experience has been that new
   dancers often seem to find Sackett's Harbor easier to dance than Chorus
   Jig, even if it's their first triple minor dance, and even though the
   timing for the forward-and-back after the contra corners is so much tighter
   than the 1s swing in Chorus Jig.

Regards,
Grant

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 9:30 PM Don Veino via Callers <
callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

> I used this dance again just the other night for a mixed capabilities
> crowd. It has so few moving parts that it's easy to focus on the CC
> sequence.
>
> -Don
>
> Corner Triplet - Proper - Linda Leslie
>
> A1   1st couple down the center (the lady will be on the left going down
> the set)
>Turn alone, return
>Cast off with same role neighbor #2
> A2   Ones Contra corners
>
> B1   Ones Balance & Swing
>
> B2  Ones up the center to the top, separate, go down the outside
>   Lines of three forward & back
>
> Linda said: "Written to have a dance for teaching contra corners."
>
> On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 4:38 PM Hannah Chamb via Callers <
> callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi all, first time posting here!
>>
>> I'm new-ish to calling and I've yet to call contra corners. I think I'm
>> up for the challenge and could teach the figure itself, but I still think
>> it's a tricky one for dancers in all but the most experienced crowds. A few
>> callers I know have advised me to build up to a challenging figure like
>> contra corners over the course of an evening by calling dances that echo
>> the skills the dancers will need later.
>>
>> With that in mind, what dances would you call early in the evening in a
>> mixed-level group that would help "teach" dancers the skills they need to
>> be successful at contra corners?
>>
>> I've been thinking I should include an easy proper-ish dance, and maybe a
>> dance with allemandes outside the minor set... anything else come to mind?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Hannah Chamberlain
>> Westbrook, ME
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Re: [Callers] Building to Contra Corners

[John Sweeney via Callers]

But I’m guessing that you do things like:

Neighbour Swing, Circle Left 3/4, Partner Swing

multiple times in an evening.

 

I would much rather do Contra Corners multiple times! :-)

 

Happy dancing,  

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My concern with introducing CC in  triplet is if you do that and then turn 
around and do it in a contra you have done it twice in one program - and 
probably very close together.  I wouldn't want to do that

 

Mac McKeever

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Re: [Callers] Building to Contra Corners

[Mac Mckeever via Callers]

 I think there are certain figures that define a dance.  butterfly whirl, 
rory-o-more, zipper, etc.  I put contra corners in this category.  Heys are not 
as defining (in my opinion) and can be spread around the program more easily (I 
include petronella in this same category) - but I till try to avoid calling 2 
dances with full heys in the same program.
My goal is to keep as much variety in the program as possible.  I would not 
call contra corners twice n the same evening.
I am glad Down by the Riverside has been recommended.  I first danced this on a 
trip to Scotland with Melanie calling her dance.  I did not like it much on the 
walk thru but once the dance started it changed my mind quickly.  It is a great 
dance and certainly adds variety to a program.
Mac
On Thursday, February 21, 2019, 7:56:44 AM CST, Bob Hofkin 
 wrote:  
 
 Mac,

Callers do that all the time with hey for four--which I think is harder 
for inexperienced dancers than contra corners because there's less 
connection with the other dancers.

Bob

On 2/21/2019 8:14, Mac Mckeever via Callers wrote:
>  My concern with introducing CC in  triplet is if you do that and then turn 
>around and do it in a contra you have done it twice in one program - and 
>probably very close together.  I wouldn't want to do that
> Mac McKeever
>      On Thursday, February 21, 2019, 12:12:29 AM CST, Chris Page via Callers 
> wrote:
>  
>  Like many others, I recommend a triplet or 3-face-3. You're not going
> out of your minor set, and not everyone's active all the time.
> 
> I recommend:
> Corner Triplet (Linda Leslie)
> Melanie's Triplet (Melanie Axel-Lute)
> Microchasmic Triplet (Ann Fallon)
> 
> or
> 
> Down by the Riverside (3-face-3 by Melanie Axel-Lute)
> 
> I don't recommend Ted's Triplet #7, because it also includes a proper
> right-and-left through, which many people these days are more
> unfamiliar with than contra corners.
> 
> -Chris Page
> San Diego, CA
> 
> On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 1:38 PM Hannah Chamb via Callers
>  wrote:
>>
>> Hi all, first time posting here!
>>
>> I'm new-ish to calling and I've yet to call contra corners. I think I'm up 
>> for the challenge and could teach the figure itself, but I still think it's 
>> a tricky one for dancers in all but the most experienced crowds. A few 
>> callers I know have advised me to build up to a challenging figure like 
>> contra corners over the course of an evening by calling dances that echo the 
>> skills the dancers will need later.
>>
>> With that in mind, what dances would you call early in the evening in a 
>> mixed-level group that would help "teach" dancers the skills they need to be 
>> successful at contra corners?
>>
>> I've been thinking I should include an easy proper-ish dance, and maybe a 
>> dance with allemandes outside the minor set... anything else come to mind?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Hannah Chamberlain
>> Westbrook, ME
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Re: [Callers] Building to Contra Corners

[Bob Hofkin via Callers]

Mac,

Callers do that all the time with hey for four--which I think is harder 
for inexperienced dancers than contra corners because there's less 
connection with the other dancers.


Bob

On 2/21/2019 8:14, Mac Mckeever via Callers wrote:

  My concern with introducing CC in  triplet is if you do that and then turn 
around and do it in a contra you have done it twice in one program - and 
probably very close together.  I wouldn't want to do that
Mac McKeever
 On Thursday, February 21, 2019, 12:12:29 AM CST, Chris Page via Callers 
 wrote:
  
  Like many others, I recommend a triplet or 3-face-3. You're not going

out of your minor set, and not everyone's active all the time.

I recommend:
Corner Triplet (Linda Leslie)
Melanie's Triplet (Melanie Axel-Lute)
Microchasmic Triplet (Ann Fallon)

or

Down by the Riverside (3-face-3 by Melanie Axel-Lute)

I don't recommend Ted's Triplet #7, because it also includes a proper
right-and-left through, which many people these days are more
unfamiliar with than contra corners.

-Chris Page
San Diego, CA

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 1:38 PM Hannah Chamb via Callers
 wrote:


Hi all, first time posting here!

I'm new-ish to calling and I've yet to call contra corners. I think I'm up for 
the challenge and could teach the figure itself, but I still think it's a 
tricky one for dancers in all but the most experienced crowds. A few callers I 
know have advised me to build up to a challenging figure like contra corners 
over the course of an evening by calling dances that echo the skills the 
dancers will need later.

With that in mind, what dances would you call early in the evening in a mixed-level group 
that would help "teach" dancers the skills they need to be successful at contra 
corners?

I've been thinking I should include an easy proper-ish dance, and maybe a dance 
with allemandes outside the minor set... anything else come to mind?

Thanks in advance,
Hannah Chamberlain
Westbrook, ME
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Re: [Callers] Building to Contra Corners

[Mac Mckeever via Callers]

 My concern with introducing CC in  triplet is if you do that and then turn 
around and do it in a contra you have done it twice in one program - and 
probably very close together.  I wouldn't want to do that
Mac McKeever
On Thursday, February 21, 2019, 12:12:29 AM CST, Chris Page via Callers 
 wrote:  
 
 Like many others, I recommend a triplet or 3-face-3. You're not going
out of your minor set, and not everyone's active all the time.

I recommend:
Corner Triplet (Linda Leslie)
Melanie's Triplet (Melanie Axel-Lute)
Microchasmic Triplet (Ann Fallon)

or

Down by the Riverside (3-face-3 by Melanie Axel-Lute)

I don't recommend Ted's Triplet #7, because it also includes a proper
right-and-left through, which many people these days are more
unfamiliar with than contra corners.

-Chris Page
San Diego, CA

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 1:38 PM Hannah Chamb via Callers
 wrote:
>
> Hi all, first time posting here!
>
> I'm new-ish to calling and I've yet to call contra corners. I think I'm up 
> for the challenge and could teach the figure itself, but I still think it's a 
> tricky one for dancers in all but the most experienced crowds. A few callers 
> I know have advised me to build up to a challenging figure like contra 
> corners over the course of an evening by calling dances that echo the skills 
> the dancers will need later.
>
> With that in mind, what dances would you call early in the evening in a 
> mixed-level group that would help "teach" dancers the skills they need to be 
> successful at contra corners?
>
> I've been thinking I should include an easy proper-ish dance, and maybe a 
> dance with allemandes outside the minor set... anything else come to mind?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Hannah Chamberlain
> Westbrook, ME
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Re: [Callers] Building to Contra Corners

[Bob Green via Callers]

Ted's Triplet #7 is my go-to dance for introducing contra corners.

Bob



On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 5:10 PM Jacob or Nancy Bloom via Callers <
callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

> If you ever do triplets at your dance, you could teach the figure in a
> triplet first.  Ted's Triplet #7 uses it, if I recall correctly.
> Jacob
>
> On Wed, Feb 20, 2019, 5:30 PM Richard Hart via Callers <
> callers@lists.sharedweight.net wrote:
>
>> I’d make sure that the dancers had already successfully danced every
>> other move in the dance you want to call with contra corners. That way you
>> could focus on the contra corners and the dancers would understand where
>> they would be at the beginning and end of the move.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Feb 20, 2019, at 4:37 PM, Hannah Chamb via Callers <
>> callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi all, first time posting here!
>> >
>> > I'm new-ish to calling and I've yet to call contra corners. I think I'm
>> up for the challenge and could teach the figure itself, but I still think
>> it's a tricky one for dancers in all but the most experienced crowds. A few
>> callers I know have advised me to build up to a challenging figure like
>> contra corners over the course of an evening by calling dances that echo
>> the skills the dancers will need later.
>> >
>> > With that in mind, what dances would you call early in the evening in a
>> mixed-level group that would help "teach" dancers the skills they need to
>> be successful at contra corners?
>> >
>> > I've been thinking I should include an easy proper-ish dance, and maybe
>> a dance with allemandes outside the minor set... anything else come to mind?
>> >
>> > Thanks in advance,
>> > Hannah Chamberlain
>> > Westbrook, ME
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Re: [Callers] Building to Contra Corners

[jim saxe via Callers]

Alexandra Deis-Lauby wrote:

> If the figure is new to your dancers, use a triplet (by David smuckler) or a 
> three facing three (Melanie axel lute wrote one).  Contra corners is much 
> easier in that formation.

You can find Melanie Axel-Lute's "Down by the Riverside" here:

 http://www.maxellute.net/down.html

In either a triplet or a three-face-three the "inactives" don't have to do 
double duty being contra corners to two different "active" dancers.  Something 
I like about the 3-face-3 setup is that the center people get to dance with a 
variety of different opposites, so that unsure dancers might at least 
occasionally meet someone who can send them in the correct direction.

While the triple-minor setting also avoids having "inactives" do double duty, 
it could be problematical because most contra dancers these days, except for 
those who are also English country dancers, are not very familiar with the way 
progression works in triple minors.

Bob Fabinski wrote:

> I have successfully called "Almost Sackett's Harbor," a triple minor, triple 
> progression dance.
> with the Contra Corners figure in a triplet formation, and there is no 
> waiting out at the top.

For those unfamiliar with Al Olson's dance "Almost Sackett's Harbor," 
instructions can be found in Larry Jennings's book _Give-and-Take_ and on pages 
21=22 of the 1990 Ralph Page Dance Legacy Weekend syllabus:

 https://www.library.unh.edu/special/forms/rpdlw/syllabus1990.pdf

I'd recommend considerable caution about using this dance.  The challenging 
part isn't the contra corners; it's the progression.  In the notes on the dance 
in the RPDLW syllabus cited above, Larry Jennings writes:

 If the active couples make a point of letting go of the couple
 above them, it may be easier for the #2 and #3 to keep their
 roles straight.

This point is not to be taken lightly!  The action in phrase 7 of the dance 
(first half of B2) puts the dancers into new groups of six, and it can be very 
tempting to think that that's all the regrouping they need to do.  Not so!  
After circling right in phrase 8, the dancers must again regroup into NEW(er) 
groups of six with the active couples, who were in middle positions in the 
groups that just circled right, are again in top position.  To achieve this the 
actives must let go of the couple above them (who have been the #2 couple in 
the round of the dance just completed), and those former #2 dancer must attach 
themselves to the next couple above so as to become a #3 couple in the round 
about to commence.

If there's even one place and time where a sufficient number of dancers cone 
together who don't understand and remember to do the regrouping that I've just 
described, the likely result will be that in the phrase 2 (second half of A1) 
of the new round, instead of the dancers all being in circles of six, there 
will somewhere be a circle of four and a nearby circle of eight.  Once that 
happens, recovery can be practically impossible and the discombobulation can 
spread along the set at triple-progression speed.

I don't doubt Bob's assertion that he's called the dance successfully, and if 
he has any specific advice about teaching it, I'd be delighted if he'd share 
it.  But for anyone else who's thinking of calling it, especially to dancers 
who aren't already familiar with triple minors, I advise you to make sure you 
understand the dance thoroughly (including end effects) and to think carefully 
about how to teach it.

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Re: [Callers] Building to Contra Corners

[Chris Page via Callers]

Like many others, I recommend a triplet or 3-face-3. You're not going
out of your minor set, and not everyone's active all the time.

I recommend:
Corner Triplet (Linda Leslie)
Melanie's Triplet (Melanie Axel-Lute)
Microchasmic Triplet (Ann Fallon)

or

Down by the Riverside (3-face-3 by Melanie Axel-Lute)

I don't recommend Ted's Triplet #7, because it also includes a proper
right-and-left through, which many people these days are more
unfamiliar with than contra corners.

-Chris Page
San Diego, CA

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 1:38 PM Hannah Chamb via Callers
 wrote:
>
> Hi all, first time posting here!
>
> I'm new-ish to calling and I've yet to call contra corners. I think I'm up 
> for the challenge and could teach the figure itself, but I still think it's a 
> tricky one for dancers in all but the most experienced crowds. A few callers 
> I know have advised me to build up to a challenging figure like contra 
> corners over the course of an evening by calling dances that echo the skills 
> the dancers will need later.
>
> With that in mind, what dances would you call early in the evening in a 
> mixed-level group that would help "teach" dancers the skills they need to be 
> successful at contra corners?
>
> I've been thinking I should include an easy proper-ish dance, and maybe a 
> dance with allemandes outside the minor set... anything else come to mind?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Hannah Chamberlain
> Westbrook, ME
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Re: [Callers] Building to Contra Corners

[Paul Wilde via Callers]

Hannah,

I whole heatedly double the recommendation for Corner Triplet
by Linda Leslie.

It even works w/ 4 cpls, as the top cpl becomes
the bottom cpl, (then essentially out 1 rd)  everyone moving up 1.

Good luck,
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Re: [Callers] Building to Contra Corners

[Don Veino via Callers]

I used this dance again just the other night for a mixed capabilities
crowd. It has so few moving parts that it's easy to focus on the CC
sequence.

-Don

Corner Triplet - Proper - Linda Leslie

A1   1st couple down the center (the lady will be on the left going down
the set)
   Turn alone, return
   Cast off with same role neighbor #2
A2   Ones Contra corners

B1   Ones Balance & Swing

B2  Ones up the center to the top, separate, go down the outside
  Lines of three forward & back

Linda said: "Written to have a dance for teaching contra corners."

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 4:38 PM Hannah Chamb via Callers <
callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

> Hi all, first time posting here!
>
> I'm new-ish to calling and I've yet to call contra corners. I think I'm up
> for the challenge and could teach the figure itself, but I still think it's
> a tricky one for dancers in all but the most experienced crowds. A few
> callers I know have advised me to build up to a challenging figure like
> contra corners over the course of an evening by calling dances that echo
> the skills the dancers will need later.
>
> With that in mind, what dances would you call early in the evening in a
> mixed-level group that would help "teach" dancers the skills they need to
> be successful at contra corners?
>
> I've been thinking I should include an easy proper-ish dance, and maybe a
> dance with allemandes outside the minor set... anything else come to mind?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Hannah Chamberlain
> Westbrook, ME
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Re: [Callers] Building to Contra Corners

[Bob Fabinski via Callers]

 
 I have successfully called "Almost Sackett's Harbor," a triple minor, triple 
progression dance.with the Contra Corners figure in a triplet formation, and 
there is no waiting out at the top. 
-Original Message-
From: Alexandra Deis-Lauby via Callers 
To: Ann Fallon 
Cc: callers ; hannahchamb 

Sent: Wed, Feb 20, 2019 5:49 pm
Subject: Re: [Callers] Building to Contra Corners

In my dance community a proper dance won’t help because everyone dances all the 
roles so training folks to look for certain genders isn’t a good idea (and in 
my opinion never is). Instead, I’d suggest something with short Allemandes 
(half, 3/4) or diagonal waves (dr Blums delight). 

If the figure is new to your dancers, use a triplet (by David smuckler) or a 
three facing three (Melanie axel lute wrote one).  Contra corners is much 
easier in that formation. 

A

Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 20, 2019, at 5:06 PM, Ann Fallon via Callers 
 wrote:


Hi, Hannah
I like your idea of teaching a proper dance earlier in your program.  If you 
are going to choose a contra corners dance in which the active couple has to do 
a half-figure eight to get proper, you might want to teach the half-figure 
eight in an earlier dance, too.
Here's a triplet which I also find useful for teaching/learning contra corners. 
 I am the author, but don't mean to be self-promoting here.
Microchasmic Triplet
Proper Formation, all facing partnerThe middle couple is the "active" couple, 
so there is no need to get them into position before starting the contra 
corners.
A1    Forward and Back, DSD PartnerA2    Middle couple turn contra cornersB1    
ALL balance and swing Partner, end facing upB2    Top couple lead a cast off to 
the bottom.   When they reach the bottom they make a two-handed arch and the 
other two couples go below them and come through the arch.
 It's a peel the banana, come through the arch figure as in the Virginia Reel. 
Encourage the dancers to come to the top of their set before casting off to the 
bottom, or the sets will move too far down the hall. 
Here's a link to a video.  
Good luck!
Ann


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From: Hannah Chamb via Callers 
To: callers 
Sent: Wed, Feb 20, 2019 4:38 pm
Subject: [Callers] Building to Contra Corners

Hi all, first time posting here!
I'm new-ish to calling and I've yet to call contra corners. I think I'm up for 
the challenge and could teach the figure itself, but I still think it's a 
tricky one for dancers in all but the most experienced crowds. A few callers I 
know have advised me to build up to a challenging figure like contra corners 
over the course of an evening by calling dances that echo the skills the 
dancers will need later. 
With that in mind, what dances would you call early in the evening in a 
mixed-level group that would help "teach" dancers the skills they need to be 
successful at contra corners? 
I've been thinking I should include an easy proper-ish dance, and maybe a dance 
with allemandes outside the minor set... anything else come to mind?
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Re: [Callers] Building to Contra Corners

[Bill Olson via Callers]

I was going to suggest the same thing. I've called Chorus Jig as a triplet. B-2 
just has the 1's swing down to the bottom of the set. I've used this dance in a 
family dance/barn dance type situation with no problems.. It certainly teaches 
the contra corners figure.

bill


From: Callers  on behalf of Jacob or 
Nancy Bloom via Callers 
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 11:09 PM
Cc: callers; hannahch...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Callers] Building to Contra Corners

If you ever do triplets at your dance, you could teach the figure in a triplet 
first.  Ted's Triplet #7 uses it, if I recall correctly.
Jacob

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019, 5:30 PM Richard Hart via Callers 
mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
I’d make sure that the dancers had already successfully danced every other move 
in the dance you want to call with contra corners. That way you could focus on 
the contra corners and the dancers would understand where they would be at the 
beginning and end of the move.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 20, 2019, at 4:37 PM, Hannah Chamb via Callers 
> mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net>> wrote:
>
> Hi all, first time posting here!
>
> I'm new-ish to calling and I've yet to call contra corners. I think I'm up 
> for the challenge and could teach the figure itself, but I still think it's a 
> tricky one for dancers in all but the most experienced crowds. A few callers 
> I know have advised me to build up to a challenging figure like contra 
> corners over the course of an evening by calling dances that echo the skills 
> the dancers will need later.
>
> With that in mind, what dances would you call early in the evening in a 
> mixed-level group that would help "teach" dancers the skills they need to be 
> successful at contra corners?
>
> I've been thinking I should include an easy proper-ish dance, and maybe a 
> dance with allemandes outside the minor set... anything else come to mind?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Hannah Chamberlain
> Westbrook, ME
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Re: [Callers] Building to Contra Corners

[Jacob or Nancy Bloom via Callers]

If you ever do triplets at your dance, you could teach the figure in a
triplet first.  Ted's Triplet #7 uses it, if I recall correctly.
Jacob

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019, 5:30 PM Richard Hart via Callers <
callers@lists.sharedweight.net wrote:

> I’d make sure that the dancers had already successfully danced every other
> move in the dance you want to call with contra corners. That way you could
> focus on the contra corners and the dancers would understand where they
> would be at the beginning and end of the move.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 20, 2019, at 4:37 PM, Hannah Chamb via Callers <
> callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all, first time posting here!
> >
> > I'm new-ish to calling and I've yet to call contra corners. I think I'm
> up for the challenge and could teach the figure itself, but I still think
> it's a tricky one for dancers in all but the most experienced crowds. A few
> callers I know have advised me to build up to a challenging figure like
> contra corners over the course of an evening by calling dances that echo
> the skills the dancers will need later.
> >
> > With that in mind, what dances would you call early in the evening in a
> mixed-level group that would help "teach" dancers the skills they need to
> be successful at contra corners?
> >
> > I've been thinking I should include an easy proper-ish dance, and maybe
> a dance with allemandes outside the minor set... anything else come to mind?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Hannah Chamberlain
> > Westbrook, ME
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Re: [Callers] Building to Contra Corners

[Alexandra Deis-Lauby via Callers]

In my dance community a proper dance won’t help because everyone dances all the 
roles so training folks to look for certain genders isn’t a good idea (and in 
my opinion never is). Instead, I’d suggest something with short Allemandes 
(half, 3/4) or diagonal waves (dr Blums delight). 

If the figure is new to your dancers, use a triplet (by David smuckler) or a 
three facing three (Melanie axel lute wrote one).  Contra corners is much 
easier in that formation. 

A

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 20, 2019, at 5:06 PM, Ann Fallon via Callers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Hannah
> 
> I like your idea of teaching a proper dance earlier in your program.  If you 
> are going to choose a contra corners dance in which the active couple has to 
> do a half-figure eight to get proper, you might want to teach the half-figure 
> eight in an earlier dance, too.
> 
> Here's a triplet which I also find useful for teaching/learning contra 
> corners.  I am the author, but don't mean to be self-promoting here.
> 
> Microchasmic Triplet
> 
> Proper Formation, all facing partner
> The middle couple is the "active" couple, so there is no need to get them 
> into position before starting the contra corners.
> 
> A1Forward and Back, DSD Partner
> A2Middle couple turn contra corners
> B1ALL balance and swing Partner, end facing up
> B2Top couple lead a cast off to the bottom.   When they reach the bottom 
> they make a two-handed arch and the other two couples go below them and come 
> through the arch.
> 
>  It's a peel the banana, come through the arch figure as in the Virginia 
> Reel. 
> Encourage the dancers to come to the top of their set before casting off to 
> the bottom, or the sets will move too far down the hall. 
> 
> Here's a link to a video.  
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> Ann
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Hannah Chamb via Callers 
> To: callers 
> Sent: Wed, Feb 20, 2019 4:38 pm
> Subject: [Callers] Building to Contra Corners
> 
> Hi all, first time posting here!
> 
> I'm new-ish to calling and I've yet to call contra corners. I think I'm up 
> for the challenge and could teach the figure itself, but I still think it's a 
> tricky one for dancers in all but the most experienced crowds. A few callers 
> I know have advised me to build up to a challenging figure like contra 
> corners over the course of an evening by calling dances that echo the skills 
> the dancers will need later. 
> 
> With that in mind, what dances would you call early in the evening in a 
> mixed-level group that would help "teach" dancers the skills they need to be 
> successful at contra corners? 
> 
> I've been thinking I should include an easy proper-ish dance, and maybe a 
> dance with allemandes outside the minor set... anything else come to mind?
> 
> Thanks in advance, 
> Hannah Chamberlain
> Westbrook, ME
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Re: [Callers] Building to Contra Corners

[Richard Hart via Callers]

I’d make sure that the dancers had already successfully danced every other move 
in the dance you want to call with contra corners. That way you could focus on 
the contra corners and the dancers would understand where they would be at the 
beginning and end of the move.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 20, 2019, at 4:37 PM, Hannah Chamb via Callers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, first time posting here!
> 
> I'm new-ish to calling and I've yet to call contra corners. I think I'm up 
> for the challenge and could teach the figure itself, but I still think it's a 
> tricky one for dancers in all but the most experienced crowds. A few callers 
> I know have advised me to build up to a challenging figure like contra 
> corners over the course of an evening by calling dances that echo the skills 
> the dancers will need later. 
> 
> With that in mind, what dances would you call early in the evening in a 
> mixed-level group that would help "teach" dancers the skills they need to be 
> successful at contra corners? 
> 
> I've been thinking I should include an easy proper-ish dance, and maybe a 
> dance with allemandes outside the minor set... anything else come to mind?
> 
> Thanks in advance, 
> Hannah Chamberlain
> Westbrook, ME
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Re: [Callers] Building to Contra Corners

[Ann Fallon via Callers]

Hi, Hannah
I like your idea of teaching a proper dance earlier in your program.  If you 
are going to choose a contra corners dance in which the active couple has to do 
a half-figure eight to get proper, you might want to teach the half-figure 
eight in an earlier dance, too.
Here's a triplet which I also find useful for teaching/learning contra corners. 
 I am the author, but don't mean to be self-promoting here.
Microchasmic Triplet
Proper Formation, all facing partnerThe middle couple is the "active" couple, 
so there is no need to get them into position before starting the contra 
corners.
A1    Forward and Back, DSD PartnerA2    Middle couple turn contra cornersB1    
ALL balance and swing Partner, end facing upB2    Top couple lead a cast off to 
the bottom.   When they reach the bottom they make a two-handed arch and the 
other two couples go below them and come through the arch.
 It's a peel the banana, come through the arch figure as in the Virginia Reel. 
Encourage the dancers to come to the top of their set before casting off to the 
bottom, or the sets will move too far down the hall. 
Here's a link to a video.  
Good luck!
Ann


-Original Message-
From: Hannah Chamb via Callers 
To: callers 
Sent: Wed, Feb 20, 2019 4:38 pm
Subject: [Callers] Building to Contra Corners

Hi all, first time posting here!
I'm new-ish to calling and I've yet to call contra corners. I think I'm up for 
the challenge and could teach the figure itself, but I still think it's a 
tricky one for dancers in all but the most experienced crowds. A few callers I 
know have advised me to build up to a challenging figure like contra corners 
over the course of an evening by calling dances that echo the skills the 
dancers will need later. 
With that in mind, what dances would you call early in the evening in a 
mixed-level group that would help "teach" dancers the skills they need to be 
successful at contra corners? 
I've been thinking I should include an easy proper-ish dance, and maybe a dance 
with allemandes outside the minor set... anything else come to mind?
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