Re: [Callers] Chains: the other side of the coin

2016-09-07 Thread Aahz via Callers
On Tue, Sep 06, 2016, Maia McCormick via Callers wrote: > > Though Tavi, I wonder, would your proposal here be equally as effective if > we called more gents' right-hand chains? Even as an experienced dancer I > find the left-hand chain counterintuitive, and yes it would be second > nature if we

Re: [Callers] Chains: the other side of the coin

2016-09-06 Thread Maia McCormick via Callers
Andrea said: > but address gender issues where they originate, in the expectation that men dance left, women right. I agree wholeheartedly that we should be unraveling "the expectation that men dance left, women right"--but many of the callers on this list have been trying to do just this for a

Re: [Callers] Chains: the other side of the coin

2016-09-06 Thread Andrea Nettleton via Callers
Hi Tavi et al, I have to challenge you on your history. As a lover of chestnuts, in which the vast majority of courtesy turns are same gender as the dances are proper, and a one time historical dancer, I find your conception of the history of courtesy turn flawed. In the 18th and 19th

Re: [Callers] Chains: the other side of the coin

2016-09-05 Thread Ron Blechner via Callers
Tavi, Thanks for opening discussion on this topic. I'd like to propose that we call the move what it is: "chain", and we stop calling left-hand chains as "gents chains" and right-hand chains as "ladies chains" for two important reasons: 1. No other common move in contra has the role in the

Re: [Callers] Chains: the other side of the coin

2016-09-05 Thread tavi merrill via Callers
Sigh. Why is "join right with right in front, left hands behind the gent's back, gents walk forward and ladies back up" way more difficult than "join left with left in front, right hands behind the lady's back, ladies walk forward and gents back up"? It's not, but A numerical argument: Say in

Re: [Callers] Chains: the other side of the coin

2016-09-04 Thread Aahz via Callers
On Sat, Sep 03, 2016, tavi merrill via Callers wrote: > > Despite the hours we spend workshopping the ladies' chain, we spend > virtually no time collectively addressing how to teach gents' (left-handed) > chains. As a consequence, male dancers miss out on opportunities to twirl; > understanding

Re: [Callers] Chains: the other side of the coin

2016-09-03 Thread John Sweeney via Callers
Hi Tavi, I do teach the twirls in a Ladies' Chain, occasionally at a regular dance, but more often in style and technique workshops at festivals. If anyone wants some pointers on how to teach good twirl technique then please see my article at

[Callers] Chains: the other side of the coin

2016-09-03 Thread tavi merrill via Callers
Per Richard's excellent point about separating the courtesy turn from the chain, an approach i too use, i want to address the related questions of - lack of attention to chains beyond the beginner level, resulting in - bad/injurious flourishing, partly due to - gendered dynamics in the standard