Re: [Callers] Confirming Bookings - Best Practices?
The American MWSD clubs/callers also use contracts, although seldom is a deposit required. In 25 years of club calling, I only had one bad experience, where two callers were booked for the same dance. I was working 'graveyard" shift, so I willingly let the other caller have the gig and returned home for a power nap. The standard MWSD club contract had fees and variances, such as $125 plus $10 for every square over 6. It had contact information for the caller and organizer, date, times, location, and music licensing requirements. It sometimes specified who would provide the sound equipment as well, and who would be working with the caller. Many clubs listed themes for the night, for example 50s night, or Hawaiian Night. "Contra Prom" would be one theme used at a nearby contra dance. These themes helped the caller pick out music, dances, and clothing. Contracts were a nice way for me to gather all my tax info at the end of the year. As I book more ONS and contra dances, I let the emails serve as a contract, but they sometimes have a "tentative" feeling. I also tend to post my schedule on Facebook, hoping that any irregularities might be noticed. Just last night someone told me that an upcoming dance was not on my schedule. There are reasons, but I will post it soon. Peace, Rich Sbardella Stafford, CT On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 3:54 AM, Kate Carpenter via Callers < callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > I'm surprised you don't have contracts. > > I call for, play in and organise a Barn Dance/Ceilidh band in England. We > always have a Musicians Union contract which states: date, venue, times, > how much we're paid, how much deposit has already been paid (the deposit > confirms the booking) and who the contract is with... Yes, it is a pain > drawing up the contracts, but everyone knows the details. We don't have > surprises on the night. We can still be flexible. We mostly play for > weddings, anniversaries, fundraising... and although about half our > bookings are repeats/recommendations we don't really know these people. > > My husband and I also play for Scottish Dance societies. This is a > specialist area - more like your dance series, and we know these people, > mostly playing for them every year/6 months and some dance weekends. I > would trust them, but we still have contracts and deposits. > > Once someone has paid a deposit, they aren't going to casually forget > about you, or book someone else. > > Kate > > > > > > Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 21:01:32 -0700 > > To: callers@lists.sharedweight.net > > Subject: Re: [Callers] Confirming Bookings - Best Practices? > > From: callers@lists.sharedweight.net > > > > The local series is good that way, with their confirmations. Those are > > pretty close to the date, so I tend to follow the Check Their > > Sites/Pages thing. > > > > Others in the region are pretty good with a run of communication to set > > up and one to later confirm. Again with something closer to the date. > > Again I'll do a check on the lead up, mostly by having a look on my own > > for promo material. > > > > One dance series had the caller I was replacing still listed on the > > site, so I wrote about a month and a half out so I knew if I was free to > > rebook, do other things, or simply enjoy the evening as a dancer. > > > > With a series, where there's a bit of pattern to the behaviour I have > > little concerns. Also the communication tends to be pretty good and > > established. > > > > For one off dances I may do a bit more asking, esp. if there have only > > been early enquiries. > > > > On occasion a "definitely want you" has fizzled, on other occasions what > > appears to be a casual inquiry really was their idea of a firm booking, > > for myself and the band. > > > > A band I do regular ONS work with (anniversary, wedding, fund-raiser > > gigs) and I are seriously considering asking for a financial deposit for > > some bigger one-off affairs. Esp. if there's travel, rental of > > equipment, accommodation (that we must book) and such. > > > > So, mostly nothing earthshakingly different than what a number have > > commented on. > > > > Cheers, John > > -- > > J.D. Erskine > > Victoria, BC > > Island Dance > > ___ > > Callers mailing list > > Callers@lists.sharedweight.net > > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > > ___ > Callers mailing list > Callers@lists.sharedweight.net > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > >
Re: [Callers] Confirming Bookings - Best Practices?
The local series is good that way, with their confirmations. Those are pretty close to the date, so I tend to follow the Check Their Sites/Pages thing. Others in the region are pretty good with a run of communication to set up and one to later confirm. Again with something closer to the date. Again I'll do a check on the lead up, mostly by having a look on my own for promo material. One dance series had the caller I was replacing still listed on the site, so I wrote about a month and a half out so I knew if I was free to rebook, do other things, or simply enjoy the evening as a dancer. With a series, where there's a bit of pattern to the behaviour I have little concerns. Also the communication tends to be pretty good and established. For one off dances I may do a bit more asking, esp. if there have only been early enquiries. On occasion a "definitely want you" has fizzled, on other occasions what appears to be a casual inquiry really was their idea of a firm booking, for myself and the band. A band I do regular ONS work with (anniversary, wedding, fund-raiser gigs) and I are seriously considering asking for a financial deposit for some bigger one-off affairs. Esp. if there's travel, rental of equipment, accommodation (that we must book) and such. So, mostly nothing earthshakingly different than what a number have commented on. Cheers, John -- J.D. Erskine Victoria, BC Island Dance
Re: [Callers] Confirming Bookings - Best Practices?
Most of the places I call which take out of town callers have Facebook pages, web pages, etc, and I check those. Several of those places have a standardized reminder email *they* send to booked staff about a week before - "We are looking forward to ...". (At Palo Alto Contra, while I book most of the staff, somebody else sends that email.) [I once did book somebody way ahead of the booking cycle and then lose track, so it was a really good thing that person wrote me and said "don't see myself on the calendar; what's up?" Since then have taken measures to be sure it doesn't happen again. Had to apologize profusely and sincerely to everybody involved and then rebook one of them.] If I haven't had separate confirmation I send them an "I'm really looking forward to ... Has anything changed since the last time- same hall?" kind of email. -- Alan On 5/8/16 12:18 PM, Don Veino via Callers wrote: What do folks do to ensure dance booking contacts remember that they've booked you? I just had my second booking in a row in a certain geography forget that they had booked me. What's curious is that in both cases these dances approached me by email (I could understand it maybe if it were the other way around?), we had an exchange where we clarified the dates, etc. and confirmed we were all set. We agreed to connect again with any final questions on program, accommodation, etc. as we approached closer to the date. The first case turned out to be rather comical in their confusion - the second I can't figure out. So, short of calling/emailing monthly, what do YOU do to ensure folks remember their booking commitment with you? Thanks, Don ___ Callers mailing list Callers@lists.sharedweight.net http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net
Re: [Callers] Confirming Bookings - Best Practices?
On Sun, May 08, 2016, Don Veino via Callers wrote: > > What do folks do to ensure dance booking contacts remember that they've > booked you? One way is to ask questions somewhere around a month ahead of time: "any special occasion?", "who's the band?", etc -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ <*> <*> <*> Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html
Re: [Callers] Confirming Bookings - Best Practices?
My practice was to confirm, as an organizer, with proofing the flyer. If the band contact and caller confirm their approval of their listing on the flyer six weeks to three months ahead of time, then we all know what is in the schedule, and that there is publicity for the event. The reciprocal confirmation request is, on the caller / band's part "let's see your flyer" for the date. ~Mark Jones On Sun, May 8, 2016 at 4:00 PM, Amy Wimmer via Callers < callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > I'm one third of a dance organizing team. The person who does our > bookings of bands and callers has frequent brain farts. My husband > (3rd part of team) and I have had to make hasty repairs many times. I > try to stay in the loop of email transactions, but that isn't always > possible, depending on how our booker contacts people. I would advise > trying to find whether there is more than one person you could > contact, and copy them all with all your correspondence. Better odds. > -Amy in Seattle > > > On May 8, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Don Veino via Callers < > callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > > > > What do folks do to ensure dance booking contacts remember that they've > booked you? > > > > I just had my second booking in a row in a certain geography forget that > they had booked me. What's curious is that in both cases these dances > approached me by email (I could understand it maybe if it were the other > way around?), we had an exchange where we clarified the dates, etc. and > confirmed we were all set. We agreed to connect again with any final > questions on program, accommodation, etc. as we approached closer to the > date. The first case turned out to be rather comical in their confusion - > the second I can't figure out. > > > > So, short of calling/emailing monthly, what do YOU do to ensure folks > remember their booking commitment with you? > > > > Thanks, > > Don > > ___ > > Callers mailing list > > Callers@lists.sharedweight.net > > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > ___ > Callers mailing list > Callers@lists.sharedweight.net > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net >
Re: [Callers] Confirming Bookings - Best Practices?
I'm one third of a dance organizing team. The person who does our bookings of bands and callers has frequent brain farts. My husband (3rd part of team) and I have had to make hasty repairs many times. I try to stay in the loop of email transactions, but that isn't always possible, depending on how our booker contacts people. I would advise trying to find whether there is more than one person you could contact, and copy them all with all your correspondence. Better odds. -Amy in Seattle > On May 8, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Don Veino via Callers >wrote: > > What do folks do to ensure dance booking contacts remember that they've > booked you? > > I just had my second booking in a row in a certain geography forget that they > had booked me. What's curious is that in both cases these dances approached > me by email (I could understand it maybe if it were the other way around?), > we had an exchange where we clarified the dates, etc. and confirmed we were > all set. We agreed to connect again with any final questions on program, > accommodation, etc. as we approached closer to the date. The first case > turned out to be rather comical in their confusion - the second I can't > figure out. > > So, short of calling/emailing monthly, what do YOU do to ensure folks > remember their booking commitment with you? > > Thanks, > Don > ___ > Callers mailing list > Callers@lists.sharedweight.net > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net
Re: [Callers] Confirming Bookings - Best Practices?
I check their dance web page to make sure that I am listed. Many dances have their schedules up several months at a time, so it is usually easy to check. It there is no web page or FB page for the dance, then I definitely email them a week or so before. Linda On May 8, 2016, at 3:18 PM, Don Veino via Callerswrote: > What do folks do to ensure dance booking contacts remember that they've > booked you? > > I just had my second booking in a row in a certain geography forget that they > had booked me. What's curious is that in both cases these dances approached > me by email (I could understand it maybe if it were the other way around?), > we had an exchange where we clarified the dates, etc. and confirmed we were > all set. We agreed to connect again with any final questions on program, > accommodation, etc. as we approached closer to the date. The first case > turned out to be rather comical in their confusion - the second I can't > figure out. > > So, short of calling/emailing monthly, what do YOU do to ensure folks > remember their booking commitment with you? > > Thanks, > Don > ___ > Callers mailing list > Callers@lists.sharedweight.net > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net