Re: [Catalyst] Re: Shoot out -- Catalyst / RoR / Other MVC apps --

2007-05-12 Thread Daniel McBrearty
you could probably google for google and it would be on about page 2 ... On 5/11/07, Michael Reece [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: now the next time this happens, googling for cpantools.org will find this thread and all will be clear! ___ List:

Re: [Catalyst] Re: Shoot out -- Catalyst / RoR / Other MVC apps --

2007-05-11 Thread David Morel
Le 10 mai 07 à 17:23, Tobias Kremer a écrit : But, this does raise another question I have. There is plethora of modules that are to help Perl be more OO like and stricter which is cool, but are there any good de-facto standard modules that are used by the majority of people wishing

Re: [Catalyst] Re: Shoot out -- Catalyst / RoR / Other MVC apps --

2007-05-11 Thread Matt S Trout
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 10:43:57AM +0200, David Morel wrote: Le 10 mai 07 à 17:23, Tobias Kremer a écrit : But, this does raise another question I have. There is plethora of modules that are to help Perl be more OO like and stricter which is cool, but are there any good de-facto

Re: [Catalyst] Re: Shoot out -- Catalyst / RoR / Other MVC apps --

2007-05-11 Thread Michael Reece
now the next time this happens, googling for cpantools.org will find this thread and all will be clear! On May 11, 2007, at 4:40 AM, A. Pagaltzis wrote: * Daniel Hulme [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-05-10 23:50]: No, but on finding it not working my first guess was that he mistyped it, so I tried

Re: [Catalyst] Re: Shoot out -- Catalyst / RoR / Other MVC apps --

2007-05-10 Thread Matt S Trout
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 09:02:00PM -0500, Dave Rolsky wrote: This is as opposed to the historical Catalyst plugin pattern of jam a gazillion methods into Context ;) Sometimes I wonder if that one is actually a conspirancy by the local breweries. -- Matt S Trout Need help with

[Catalyst] Re: Shoot out -- Catalyst / RoR / Other MVC apps --

2007-05-10 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* A. Pagaltzis [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-05-10 16:14]: * Anthony Gardner [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-05-10 16:00]: Why not use Attribute::Protected to define private etc. methods Because it does not actually prevent private methods in subclasses from overriding ones in their superclasses, moves

[Catalyst] Re: Shoot out -- Catalyst / RoR / Other MVC apps --

2007-05-10 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Anthony Gardner [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-05-10 16:00]: Why not use Attribute::Protected to define private etc. methods Because it does not actually prevent private methods in subclasses from overriding ones in their superclasses, moves error detection to compile time, adds overhead to every

Re: [Catalyst] Re: Shoot out -- Catalyst / RoR / Other MVC apps --

2007-05-10 Thread Anthony Gardner
good enough reason not to use it then if you ask me ;) Have only played with it but haven;t taken it seriously myself. But, this does raise another question I have. There is plethora of modules that are to help Perl be more OO like and stricter which is cool, but are there any good

Re: [Catalyst] Re: Shoot out -- Catalyst / RoR / Other MVC apps --

2007-05-10 Thread Tobias Kremer
But, this does raise another question I have. There is plethora of modules that are to help Perl be more OO like and stricter which is cool, but are there any good de-facto standard modules that are used by the majority of people wishing to be more OO compliant. That'd be Moose, I

Re: [Catalyst] Re: Shoot out -- Catalyst / RoR / Other MVC apps --

2007-05-10 Thread Wade . Stuart
Anthony Gardner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 05/10/2007 10:04:33 AM: good enough reason not to use it then if you ask me ;) Have only played with it but haven;t taken it seriously myself. But, this does raise another question I have. There is plethora of modules that are to help Perl be

Re: [Catalyst] Re: Shoot out -- Catalyst / RoR / Other MVC apps --

2007-05-10 Thread Matt S Trout
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 05:23:41PM +0200, Tobias Kremer wrote: But, this does raise another question I have. There is plethora of modules that are to help Perl be more OO like and stricter which is cool, but are there any good de-facto standard modules that are used by the majority

Re: [Catalyst] Re: Shoot out -- Catalyst / RoR / Other MVC apps --

2007-05-10 Thread Anthony Gardner
No, I don't need to learn OO as I'm happy with it. It's just that while looking at patterns and how Java does them, for example, I start having a rummage around CPAN to see what's there to help me i.e Class::Decorator seemed like a good toy ... but doesn;t work. And then all this other stuff

[Catalyst] Re: Shoot out -- Catalyst / RoR / Other MVC apps --

2007-05-10 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Anthony Gardner [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-05-10 18:15]: Esp now as I've discovered cpantools.org which is great for showing up packages that otherwise I'd never have come across. $ host cpantools.org Host cpantools.org not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) $ host www.cpantools.org Host

Re: [Catalyst] Re: Shoot out -- Catalyst / RoR / Other MVC apps --

2007-05-10 Thread Anthony Gardner
sorry, cpantools.com I always write .org. Don't know why it's .com A. Pagaltzis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Anthony Gardner [2007-05-10 18:15]: Esp now as I've discovered cpantools.org which is great for showing up packages that otherwise I'd never have come across. $ host cpantools.org

Re: [Catalyst] Re: Shoot out -- Catalyst / RoR / Other MVC apps --

2007-05-10 Thread Daniel Hulme
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 08:19:38PM +0200, A. Pagaltzis wrote: * Anthony Gardner [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-05-10 18:15]: Esp now as I've discovered cpantools.org which is great for showing up packages that otherwise I'd never have come across. $ host cpantools.org Host cpantools.org

[Catalyst] Re: Shoot out -- Catalyst / RoR / Other MVC apps --

2007-05-10 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Daniel Hulme [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-05-10 20:45]: If you'd googled rather than hosting you'd have found that Anthony meant to say cpantools.com. Condescending much? xoxo, -- Aristotle Pagaltzis // http://plasmasturm.org/ ___ List:

Re: [Catalyst] Re: Shoot out -- Catalyst / RoR / Other MVC apps --

2007-05-10 Thread Daniel Hulme
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 09:00:07PM +0200, A. Pagaltzis wrote: * Daniel Hulme [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-05-10 20:45]: If you'd googled rather than hosting you'd have found that Anthony meant to say cpantools.com. Condescending much? No, but on finding it not working my first guess was that

[Catalyst] Re: Shoot out -- Catalyst / RoR / Other MVC apps --

2007-05-09 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Dave Rolsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-05-09 16:05]: All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of indirection (Butler Lampson) ... except the problem of having too many levels of indirection. The funny thing is: that’s wrong! You can add a layer of abstraction on top

Re: [Catalyst] Re: Shoot out -- Catalyst / RoR / Other MVC apps --

2007-05-09 Thread Dave Rolsky
On Wed, 9 May 2007, A. Pagaltzis wrote: Delegation means that the caller communicates only with the object that delegates and doesn’t know which object does the actual work. That’s not what’s happening in your example. Something like this would be delegation: sub trail_length { my

[Catalyst] Re: Shoot out -- Catalyst / RoR / Other MVC apps --

2007-05-09 Thread A. Pagaltzis
Hi Bill, * Bill Moseley [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-05-09 18:35]: Not really a Cat question, but do many people use lexical vars to store their private methods in plugins? my $private_method = sub { ... } later: $self-$private_method( $foo ); I thought of that recently and have

Re: [Catalyst] Re: Shoot out -- Catalyst / RoR / Other MVC apps --

2007-05-09 Thread Adam Clarke
On 10/05/2007, at 1:51 AM, Dave Rolsky wrote: On Wed, 9 May 2007, A. Pagaltzis wrote: Delegation means that the caller communicates only with the object that delegates and doesn’t know which object does the actual work. That’s not what’s happening in your example. Something like this would