Re: [Catalyst] Why does $c-stats require -Debug flag?

2008-04-24 Thread Jon Schutz
On Mon, 2008-04-21 at 19:18 +0100, Matt S Trout wrote: On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 11:29:56AM +0930, Jon Schutz wrote: I'm making a stand here for the rights of all developers! Backward compatibility is a must for defined interfaces, but to carry that through to say that all design decisions

Re: [Catalyst] Why does $c-stats require -Debug flag?

2008-04-24 Thread Jon Schutz
On Mon, 2008-04-21 at 19:16 +0100, Matt S Trout wrote: On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 11:49:56AM +0930, Jon Schutz wrote: On Sun, 2008-04-20 at 15:15 +0100, Matt S Trout wrote: So far as I can see, all we really need to do is supply a proxy of the common Tree::Simple method from the C::Stats

Re: [Catalyst] Why does $c-stats require -Debug flag?

2008-04-24 Thread Jonathan Rockway
* On Thu, Apr 24 2008, Jon Schutz wrote: On Mon, 2008-04-21 at 19:16 +0100, Matt S Trout wrote: That's not a compromise, that's an AUTOLOAD, which is poor coding practice when you know what methods the object on the other side exists. Indeed it is a compromise. It's not a compromise. It's

Re: [Catalyst] Why does $c-stats require -Debug flag?

2008-04-24 Thread Jon Schutz
On Thu, 2008-04-24 at 04:16 -0500, Jonathan Rockway wrote: No problems, if that's what the Catalyst standard says; I must have missed it. Where is it? I'd like to consult it on a number of matters... please post the link. Basically it's more of a zeitgeist than an actual document.

Re: [Catalyst] Why does $c-stats require -Debug flag?

2008-04-24 Thread Ashley
On Apr 24, 2008, at 2:49 AM, Jon Schutz wrote: Basically it's more of a zeitgeist than an actual document. There are some things that the community has decided and just do. One is not breaking things or adding features between point releases. We've fucked this up a number of times, but

[Catalyst] Re: Why does $c-stats require -Debug flag?

2008-04-24 Thread Aristotle Pagaltzis
* Jonathan Rockway [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-04-24 11:25]: * On Thu, Apr 24 2008, Jon Schutz wrote: No problems, if that's what the Catalyst standard says; I must have missed it. Where is it? I'd like to consult it on a number of matters... please post the link. Basically it's more of a

Re: [Catalyst] Why does $c-stats require -Debug flag?

2008-04-24 Thread Jonathan Rockway
* On Thu, Apr 24 2008, Jon Schutz wrote: A standard is not a standard unless it's written down as a common reference for everybody to see. People in the community come and go and don't all have the same history, or longevity of memory for all the let's make this a standard decisions that

[Catalyst] Re: Why does $c-stats require -Debug flag?

2008-04-24 Thread Aristotle Pagaltzis
* Jonathan Rockway [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-04-24 19:10]: * On Thu, Apr 24 2008, Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote: * Jonathan Rockway [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-04-24 11:25]: * On Thu, Apr 24 2008, Jon Schutz wrote: No problems, if that's what the Catalyst standard says; I must have missed it. Where

[Catalyst] Re: Why does $c-stats require -Debug flag?

2008-04-24 Thread Aristotle Pagaltzis
Hi Wade.Stuart, * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-04-25 00:30]: Aristotle Pagaltzis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 04/24/2008 12:32:12 PM: * Jonathan Rockway [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-04-24 19:10]: * On Thu, Apr 24 2008, Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote: * Jonathan Rockway [EMAIL PROTECTED]