Re: [Catalyst] Advent Calendar... Grant proposal...

2015-01-18 Thread Robert Brown
I'm rather concerned with that statement, but will allow time for all of us to sober up. On 03/01/15 22:44, Lance A. Brown wrote: Robert Brown wrote on 1/3/2015 5:36 PM: Is this something we can resolve, or simply make better as its install process, that maybe needs explaining better? I

Re: [Catalyst] Advent Calendar... Grant proposal...

2015-01-18 Thread Kieren Diment
Installation is basically a one shot (especially if you have a transportable perl compiled with perlbrew of Perl::Build). A framework is for life not just for a 5 minute write a blog engine demo. On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Lance A. Brown la...@bearcircle.net wrote: Robert Brown wrote on

Re: [Catalyst] Advent Calendar... Grant proposal...

2015-01-18 Thread Matija Grabnar
But that really depends on the system, doesn't it? I can install the usual parts of Catalyst by installing just a few packages on a Debian (and Debian-derived) systems. It takes a few minutes (less than ten, surely), but it's an easy process. Isn't that the primary purpose of distribution

Re: [Catalyst] Advent Calendar... Grant proposal...

2015-01-18 Thread rick
I think that one of the main use of Perl is to create web apps. And the best way of creating web apps is by using a web framework. And the most developed web framework for Perl is Catalyst. But those who prefer other frameworks do it because they consider Catalyst too complex and hard to

Re: [Catalyst] Advent Calendar... Grant proposal...

2015-01-18 Thread Robert Brown
My greatest concern is only that we keep this accessible, no strings, no branches, etc. how can we best do this? On 03/01/15 22:44, Lance A. Brown wrote: Robert Brown wrote on 1/3/2015 5:36 PM: Is this something we can resolve, or simply make better as its install process, that maybe

Re: [Catalyst] Advent Calendar... Grant proposal...

2015-01-18 Thread rick
There is at least one other potential newbie entrance point into Catalyst. That is where he/she installs a fully functional application (generally a blog, CMS, forums, etc.), then slowly begins contributing within a plugin architecture, then full applications, as his/her understanding of how the

Re: [Catalyst] Advent Calendar... Grant proposal...

2015-01-18 Thread Jens Gassmann
Hi, i'm currently building a catalyst-based CMS - it is fully working, but needs some help to make it open source and add some more features. Based on Catalyst, Template Toolkit, DBIx::Class, and some more great Perl-Modules. Multiple Rights and Roles - combined with a great

Re: [Catalyst] Advent Calendar... Grant proposal...

2015-01-18 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: r...@hiranyaloka.com I think that one of the main use of Perl is to create web apps. And the best way of creating web apps is by using a web framework. And the most developed web framework for Perl is Catalyst. But those who prefer other frameworks do it because they consider Catalyst

Re: [Catalyst] Advent Calendar... Grant proposal...

2015-01-18 Thread rick
Octavian said: Imho a beginner should not start by creating best practice apps, but apps which help him/her to understand each step as easy as possible. She or he just need to know that there are better ways that will be learned later. Your 2012 Catalyst Advent Calendar articles Catalyst in

Re: [Catalyst] Advent Calendar... Grant proposal...

2015-01-18 Thread Denny
Hi Jens, On Sun, 2015-01-18 at 20:16 +0100, Jens Gassmann wrote: i'm currently building a catalyst-based CMS - it is fully working, but needs some help to make it open source and add some more features. [...] For those who are interested in, i will gave a online presentation. Please contact

Re: [Catalyst] Advent Calendar... Grant proposal...

2015-01-18 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: r...@hiranyaloka.com Octavian said: Imho a beginner should not start by creating best practice apps, but apps which help him/her to understand each step as easy as possible. She or he just need to know that there are better ways that will be learned later. Your 2012 Catalyst Advent

Re: [Catalyst] Advent Calendar... Grant proposal...

2015-01-03 Thread Kieren Diment
The catalyst docs could do with a substantial review, they haven't had much attention lately. In particular there could do with being a good index. I think the issue with people thinking catalyst is too big/complex is that lots and lots of developers are used to a procedural approach to dealing

Re: [Catalyst] Advent Calendar... Grant proposal...

2015-01-03 Thread Kieren Diment
umm from something they're *more* familiar with. On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 7:43 AM, Kieren Diment dim...@gmail.com wrote: The catalyst docs could do with a substantial review, they haven't had much attention lately. In particular there could do with being a good index. I think the issue with

Re: [Catalyst] Advent Calendar... Grant proposal...

2015-01-03 Thread Robert Brown
I find that getting involved in a project like Catalyst is much like releasing your own CPAN module - possibly daunting at first, hence some reluctance? From my own experience only, it took years to finally find something I was comfortable to release, but when I did, it then starts to flow.

Re: [Catalyst] Advent Calendar... Grant proposal...

2015-01-03 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: Kieren Diment The catalyst docs could do with a substantial review, they haven't had much attention lately. In particular there could do with being a good index. I think the issue with people thinking catalyst is too big/complex is that lots and lots of developers are used to a

Re: [Catalyst] Advent Calendar... Grant proposal...

2015-01-03 Thread Lance A. Brown
Kieren Diment wrote on 1/3/2015 3:43 PM: 3. Catalyst used to be hard to install (and catalyst had a lot of influence on improving the cpan toolchain during the relatively early days), but this isn't the case any more, but the perception lingers in places. Catalyst isn't nearly as difficult

Re: [Catalyst] Advent Calendar... Grant proposal...

2015-01-03 Thread Robert Brown
Is this something we can resolve, or simply make better as its install process, that maybe needs explaining better? On 03/01/15 22:26, Lance A. Brown wrote: Kieren Diment wrote on 1/3/2015 3:43 PM: 3. Catalyst used to be hard to install (and catalyst had a lot of influence on improving the

Re: [Catalyst] Advent Calendar... Grant proposal...

2015-01-03 Thread Lance A. Brown
Robert Brown wrote on 1/3/2015 5:36 PM: Is this something we can resolve, or simply make better as its install process, that maybe needs explaining better? I don't think it can be resolved unless Catalyst wants to move in the same direction Mojolicious has taken, which I don't agree with. I