[Catalyst] Simplified auth configuration - input requested
Hi All, Some folks have mentioned recently that the Catalyst::Plugin::Authentication system while being quite flexible is somewhat difficult to understand / set up initially. I am soliciting comments regarding the issues that people have had and what changes people would like to see. Better messaging, differences in config format... whatever you are interested in, speak up. I'm going to take the input I receive in this thread into consideration as I do some updates to the modules over the coming weeks. I'm not promising a rewrite of the auth module by any stretch, but I would like to know the 'gotchas' that people have encountered, and any areas that folks feel could be improved. Note that I'm talking about the core Catalyst::Plugin::Authentication module - not the various (separately packaged) credentials, stores, etc. The exception to that is the DBIx::Class store - since I maintain that and I think it's also the one that is most often used, feel free to chime in with your complaints / concerns there. One of the things that I am planning to do is to create a 'simpledb' pre-packaged realm - that will make the 'normal' case of encrypted password + DB user storage a bit simpler to config. (For those who are interested, pre-packaged realms are simply replacement realm classes which can handle configuring their store / credential on their own... which allows for drastically simplified Cat configs) If anyone has comments on what a 'simple config' might look like, let's hear them. So, all that said, If you feel like there are improvements you'd like to see, simplifications to be made, etc... now is your chance. Speak now or expect a good solid ignore when I'm done and you say 'but I wanted' ;-) JayK ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Simplified auth configuration - input requested
Also - before I forget - I am interested in hearing about any errors / configs that were broken, but produced confusing and/or unhelpful messaging about why they were broken. Jay On Oct 20, 2008, at 11:55 AM, Jason Kuri wrote: Hi All, Some folks have mentioned recently that the Catalyst::Plugin::Authentication system while being quite flexible is somewhat difficult to understand / set up initially. I am soliciting comments regarding the issues that people have had and what changes people would like to see. Better messaging, differences in config format... whatever you are interested in, speak up. I'm going to take the input I receive in this thread into consideration as I do some updates to the modules over the coming weeks. I'm not promising a rewrite of the auth module by any stretch, but I would like to know the 'gotchas' that people have encountered, and any areas that folks feel could be improved. Note that I'm talking about the core Catalyst::Plugin::Authentication module - not the various (separately packaged) credentials, stores, etc. The exception to that is the DBIx::Class store - since I maintain that and I think it's also the one that is most often used, feel free to chime in with your complaints / concerns there. One of the things that I am planning to do is to create a 'simpledb' pre-packaged realm - that will make the 'normal' case of encrypted password + DB user storage a bit simpler to config. (For those who are interested, pre-packaged realms are simply replacement realm classes which can handle configuring their store / credential on their own... which allows for drastically simplified Cat configs) If anyone has comments on what a 'simple config' might look like, let's hear them. So, all that said, If you feel like there are improvements you'd like to see, simplifications to be made, etc... now is your chance. Speak now or expect a good solid ignore when I'm done and you say 'but I wanted' ;-) JayK ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Simplified auth configuration - input requested
Hi Jay, I've noticed in the tutorial at least the commenting obscures some of the actual configuration. It's not a huge deal if you're following the tutorial completely but for instance I looked it up really quick to get an idea of the new Authentication set up and noticed that I had removed the password_field: hashed configuration parameter. This caused a small period of headaches, but after comparing it to an older configuration file, I was able to fix it. Those are my $0.02 for now. ::SimpleAuth seems to be going in the right direction, however it also seems to take away ACL/Roles. I would think it would be cool to see a bridge/median between the two. -Devin On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Jason Kuri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also - before I forget - I am interested in hearing about any errors / configs that were broken, but produced confusing and/or unhelpful messaging about why they were broken. Jay On Oct 20, 2008, at 11:55 AM, Jason Kuri wrote: Hi All, Some folks have mentioned recently that the Catalyst::Plugin::Authentication system while being quite flexible is somewhat difficult to understand / set up initially. I am soliciting comments regarding the issues that people have had and what changes people would like to see. Better messaging, differences in config format... whatever you are interested in, speak up. I'm going to take the input I receive in this thread into consideration as I do some updates to the modules over the coming weeks. I'm not promising a rewrite of the auth module by any stretch, but I would like to know the 'gotchas' that people have encountered, and any areas that folks feel could be improved. Note that I'm talking about the core Catalyst::Plugin::Authentication module - not the various (separately packaged) credentials, stores, etc. The exception to that is the DBIx::Class store - since I maintain that and I think it's also the one that is most often used, feel free to chime in with your complaints / concerns there. One of the things that I am planning to do is to create a 'simpledb' pre-packaged realm - that will make the 'normal' case of encrypted password + DB user storage a bit simpler to config. (For those who are interested, pre-packaged realms are simply replacement realm classes which can handle configuring their store / credential on their own... which allows for drastically simplified Cat configs) If anyone has comments on what a 'simple config' might look like, let's hear them. So, all that said, If you feel like there are improvements you'd like to see, simplifications to be made, etc... now is your chance. Speak now or expect a good solid ignore when I'm done and you say 'but I wanted' ;-) JayK ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ -- Devin Austin http://www.dreamhost.com/r.cgi?326568/hosting.html - Host with DreamHost! ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Simplified auth configuration - input requested
From: Devin Austin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using ::Loader tends to mess some people up. I personally have written a small helper script with the options I use to update my schema code from the DB, and it makes like a million times easier. Can you share that helper? I think it could be helpful a Catalyst helper on CPAN that helps to update a database from a modified schema. If it is not on CPAN yet, can you send it to me? Thank you. Octavian ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Simplified auth configuration - input requested
Can you share that helper? I think it could be helpful a Catalyst helper on CPAN that helps to update a database from a modified schema. If it is not on CPAN yet, can you send it to me? Thank you. Octavian Hi Octavian, I can certainly share it. Let me polish it up first so it's not so app specific. My handle on irc is dhoss so ping me later tonight if I don't get it to you before then. Jason- I'll send it to you as well so you can take a look at it and let me know what else might be necessary for adding it to the DBIx::Class distro. Thanks! -Devin -- Devin Austin http://www.dreamhost.com/r.cgi?326568/hosting.html - Host with DreamHost! ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Simplified auth configuration - input requested
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 11:55:29AM -0600, Jason Kuri wrote: Hi All, Some folks have mentioned recently that the Catalyst::Plugin::Authentication system while being quite flexible is somewhat difficult to understand / set up initially. Have a look at Catalyst::Helper::AuthDBIC on CPAN and in the catalyst repo. I'dlike bug reportson this module as well as I know there are bugs. Basically it takes an existing catalyst application and bolts basic (encrypted password field) authentication onto it with an sqlite database and dbic. Once that's done, it's pretty easy to manipulate the DBIC schema and config to make it do what you want. I am soliciting comments regarding the issues that people have had and what changes people would like to see. Better messaging, differences in config format... whatever you are interested in, speak up. I'm going to take the input I receive in this thread into consideration as I do some updates to the modules over the coming weeks. I'm not promising a rewrite of the auth module by any stretch, but I would like to know the 'gotchas' that people have encountered, and any areas that folks feel could be improved. Note that I'm talking about the core Catalyst::Plugin::Authentication module - not the various (separately packaged) credentials, stores, etc. The exception to that is the DBIx::Class store - since I maintain that and I think it's also the one that is most often used, feel free to chime in with your complaints / concerns there. One of the things that I am planning to do is to create a 'simpledb' pre-packaged realm - that will make the 'normal' case of encrypted password + DB user storage a bit simpler to config. (For those who are interested, pre-packaged realms are simply replacement realm classes which can handle configuring their store / credential on their own... which allows for drastically simplified Cat configs) If anyone has comments on what a 'simple config' might look like, let's hear them. So, all that said, If you feel like there are improvements you'd like to see, simplifications to be made, etc... now is your chance. Speak now or expect a good solid ignore when I'm done and you say 'but I wanted' ;-) JayK ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
