Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst starter template
From: David Schmidt davew...@gmx.at To: The elegant MVC web framework catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 2:48 AM Subject: Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst starter template Quite late but when I read your email again i had to think of this other module which does a similiar thing and thought I'd mention it here. https://github.com/marcelgruenauer/CatalystX-Crudite CatalystX-Crudite is a framework for writing Catalyst-based CMS web applications. It includes out-of-the-box user and role management and many starter templates. It builds upon CatalystX-Resource and CatalystX-SimpleLogin. In order for crudite_starter to work, you need to install this distribution. The starter templates are stored as per-dist shared files using File::ShareDir, so they can't be found from the uninstalled repository. I hope to improve this in a later version. I used File::ShareDir::ProjectDistDir to solve the 'make F:SD work the same in both dev and when installed. You can see an example of my usage here https://metacpan.org/module/DBIx::Class::Migration::ShareDirBuilder I think this is going to be a case of ' the more the merrier'. I think we all agree the one size fits all approach dating back to the dawn of Catalyst just is not going to work over the longer term. So lets all experiment! Keep sending you ideas and code to this thread and I will blog about them in a bit. John On 17 August 2013 21:21, Ynon Perek ynonpe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, After working with catalyst for some time, I found catalyst.pl too minimalistic for my needs. So I created a small script called ctstarter.pl that adds some features to the base template you get for a new project. Currently it adds: 1. A starter DB and migrations (using DBIx::Class::Migration) 2. Code and DB tables for managing users and roles (using CatalystX::SimpleLogin) 3. A Twitter Bootstrap web view with templates (using Catalyst::Helper::View::Bootstrap) 4. Two helper scripts: one to upgrade the DB and the other to reset admin password. You can find the source and usage instructions here: https://github.com/ynonp/ctstarter.pl Any feedbacks is appreciated. Cheers, Ynon ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst starter template
I think this is a move in the right direction. My dream is that lots of github templates will be developed that will simplify Catalyst startup for lots'o different projects. This could go a long way towards Catalyst usage by the masses. (maybe!) Thanks Ynon for taking this on. I think it's brilliant! see ya ken On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:02 AM, Ynon Perek ynonpe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi ferz, As I understood John was talking about the templating engine used to create the starter app, not the one that will be used IN the app. The idea to use project templates means that some templates will create projects with Template, some with Template::Tiny, some will allow database etc. Currently though there's only one project template (with Template, DBIx::Class and SimpleLogin) Cheers, Ynon -- כותב הרצאות ? מדבר מול קהל ? הבלוג שלי לומד לדברhttp://publicspeakr.blogspot.co.ilכתוב במיוחד בשבילך On Sunday, September 1, 2013 at 22:32, Ferruccio Zamuner wrote: On 08/22/13 14:46, John Napiorkowski wrote: Ynon++ You might want to look at https://metacpan.org/module/Template::Tiny for templating, I don't think we need all of TT John If the catalyzer is for help new users, I do not agree with a simplier template engine: * TT is full featured and it's good to start too * we can provide a good example and a good starting skeleton to build any more complex application * new users will have not to learn how to add or substitute the default view template engine. Probably we need to think about the target of this kind of tool. Bye, \ferz ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ -- See ya ken If you are not happy. Change your mind. ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst starter template
Quite late but when I read your email again i had to think of this other module which does a similiar thing and thought I'd mention it here. https://github.com/marcelgruenauer/CatalystX-Crudite CatalystX-Crudite is a framework for writing Catalyst-based CMS web applications. It includes out-of-the-box user and role management and many starter templates. It builds upon CatalystX-Resource and CatalystX-SimpleLogin. In order for crudite_starter to work, you need to install this distribution. The starter templates are stored as per-dist shared files using File::ShareDir, so they can't be found from the uninstalled repository. I hope to improve this in a later version. On 17 August 2013 21:21, Ynon Perek ynonpe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, After working with catalyst for some time, I found catalyst.pl too minimalistic for my needs. So I created a small script called ctstarter.pl that adds some features to the base template you get for a new project. Currently it adds: 1. A starter DB and migrations (using DBIx::Class::Migration) 2. Code and DB tables for managing users and roles (using CatalystX::SimpleLogin) 3. A Twitter Bootstrap web view with templates (using Catalyst::Helper::View::Bootstrap) 4. Two helper scripts: one to upgrade the DB and the other to reset admin password. You can find the source and usage instructions here: https://github.com/ynonp/ctstarter.pl Any feedbacks is appreciated. Cheers, Ynon ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst starter template
Hi ferz, As I understood John was talking about the templating engine used to create the starter app, not the one that will be used IN the app. The idea to use project templates means that some templates will create projects with Template, some with Template::Tiny, some will allow database etc. Currently though there's only one project template (with Template, DBIx::Class and SimpleLogin) Cheers, Ynon -- כותב הרצאות ? מדבר מול קהל ? הבלוג שלי לומד לדבר (http://publicspeakr.blogspot.co.il) כתוב במיוחד בשבילך On Sunday, September 1, 2013 at 22:32, Ferruccio Zamuner wrote: On 08/22/13 14:46, John Napiorkowski wrote: Ynon++ You might want to look at https://metacpan.org/module/Template::Tiny for templating, I don't think we need all of TT John If the catalyzer is for help new users, I do not agree with a simplier template engine: * TT is full featured and it's good to start too * we can provide a good example and a good starting skeleton to build any more complex application * new users will have not to learn how to add or substitute the default view template engine. Probably we need to think about the target of this kind of tool. Bye, \ferz ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk (mailto:Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk) Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst starter template
On 08/22/13 14:46, John Napiorkowski wrote: Ynon++ You might want to look at https://metacpan.org/module/Template::Tiny for templating, I don't think we need all of TT John If the catalyzer is for help new users, I do not agree with a simplier template engine: * TT is full featured and it's good to start too * we can provide a good example and a good starting skeleton to build any more complex application * new users will have not to learn how to add or substitute the default view template engine. Probably we need to think about the target of this kind of tool. Bye,\ferz ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst starter template
Ynon++
I'll play with it tonight -jnap
From: Ynon Perek ynonpe...@gmail.com
To: John Napiorkowski jjn1...@yahoo.com
Cc: The elegant MVC web framework catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst starter template
Hi John, All,
I did some translations and the first version is now available on github. Link:
https://github.com/ynonp/ctstarter.pl
What we have now:
1. binary file is named catalyzer.pl
2. Creates a complete Catalyst app from a template. Default template provides:
Database support, Twitter Bootstrap TT view and User Management.
3. Starter is generated from a template. Template is a collection of features.
4. It's easy to build new templates and new features. I already implemented a
few features:
- AddPlugins: a feature that adds Catalyst plugins to the template
- DefaultGenerator: runs the old catalyst.pl
- DBIx: creates a simple SQLite database with an empty Schema.pm
- UserManagement: creates users and roles, and a members only controller
- TwitterBootstrapView: creaties a simple TT view which uses Twitter Bootstrap
5. An example template implementation can be found here (with all the above
features):
https://github.com/ynonp/ctstarter.pl/tree/master/templates/default
6. An example features implementations can be found here:
https://github.com/ynonp/ctstarter.pl/tree/master/lib/CatalystX/ProjectBuilder/Features
More info on the github page.
Feedback, comments and questions are welcomed.
Ynon
On Thursday, August 22, 2013 at 15:46, John Napiorkowski wrote:
Ynon++
You might want to look at https://metacpan.org/module/Template::Tiny for
templating, I don't think we need all of TT
John
From: Ynon Perek ynonpe...@gmail.com
To: John Napiorkowski jjn1...@yahoo.com; The elegant MVC web framework
catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 2:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst starter template
Hi,
I think it should be easy enough to translate my code to the suggested
catalyzer form.
I'll do the coding and update.
Then we'll be able to start writing templates.
Cheers,
Ynon
On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 at 22:28, John Napiorkowski wrote:
From: Gianrossi, Paolo paolino.gianro...@gmail.com
To: The elegant MVC web framework catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst starter template
Isn't this something along the lines of
https://github.com/RailsApps/rails-composer/ for RoR?
Yes, I was thinking something like that. There's be an app on CPAN,
something pure Perl to make it trivial to install.
cpanm CatalystX::App::ProjectBuilder
and then that would install a commandline app that took a configuration
file of key values and either a url or name of an installed CPAN
distribution with the templates
cat myconfig | catalyzer http://github.com/path_to_something
where myconfig would just be a hash ref
{
name = ...
}
and the url would be a repo with templates, probably using something
lighter than template toolkit
You'd need to be able to specify some values via the commandline I guess
cat myconfig | catalyzer --namespace MyApp::Web --template
http://github.com/path_to_something
that would probably work well for just being a project directory and file
builder. It would do some of the stuff that puppet or chef does, like
install mysql, and all that. These are probably overlapping concerns, and
I think having something like ^^ would be pretty easy to do and also I
think really, REALLY helpful to people using Catalyst.
I know if such a think existed I'd put some templates on github pretty
quick.
If someone wants to take this on, I'd be happy to assist.
John
On 17 Aug 2013, at 20:21, Ynon Perek ynonpe...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi All,
After working with catalyst for some time, I found catalyst.pl too
minimalistic for my needs.
So I created a small script called ctstarter.pl that adds some features
to the base template you get for a new project. Currently it adds:
1. A starter DB and migrations (using DBIx::Class::Migration)
2. Code and DB tables for managing users and roles (using
CatalystX::SimpleLogin)
3. A Twitter Bootstrap web view with templates (using
Catalyst::Helper::View::Bootstrap)
4. Two helper scripts: one to upgrade the DB and the other to reset admin
password.
You can find the source and usage instructions here:
https://github.com/ynonp/ctstarter.pl
Any feedbacks is appreciated.
Cheers,
Ynon
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Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst starter template
Hi John, All,
I did some translations and the first version is now available on github. Link:
https://github.com/ynonp/ctstarter.pl
What we have now:
1. binary file is named catalyzer.pl
2. Creates a complete Catalyst app from a template. Default template provides:
Database support, Twitter Bootstrap TT view and User Management.
3. Starter is generated from a template. Template is a collection of features.
4. It's easy to build new templates and new features. I already implemented a
few features:
- AddPlugins: a feature that adds Catalyst plugins to the template
- DefaultGenerator: runs the old catalyst.pl
- DBIx: creates a simple SQLite database with an empty Schema.pm
- UserManagement: creates users and roles, and a members only controller
- TwitterBootstrapView: creaties a simple TT view which uses Twitter Bootstrap
5. An example template implementation can be found here (with all the above
features):
https://github.com/ynonp/ctstarter.pl/tree/master/templates/default
6. An example features implementations can be found here:
https://github.com/ynonp/ctstarter.pl/tree/master/lib/CatalystX/ProjectBuilder/Features
More info on the github page.
Feedback, comments and questions are welcomed.
Ynon
On Thursday, August 22, 2013 at 15:46, John Napiorkowski wrote:
Ynon++
You might want to look at https://metacpan.org/module/Template::Tiny for
templating, I don't think we need all of TT
John
From: Ynon Perek ynonpe...@gmail.com (mailto:ynonpe...@gmail.com)
To: John Napiorkowski jjn1...@yahoo.com (mailto:jjn1...@yahoo.com); The
elegant MVC web framework catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk
(mailto:catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk)
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 2:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst starter template
Hi,
I think it should be easy enough to translate my code to the suggested
catalyzer form.
I'll do the coding and update.
Then we'll be able to start writing templates.
Cheers,
Ynon
On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 at 22:28, John Napiorkowski wrote:
From: Gianrossi, Paolo paolino.gianro...@gmail.com
(mailto:paolino.gianro...@gmail.com)
To: The elegant MVC web framework catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk
(mailto:catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk)
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst starter template
Isn't this something along the lines of
https://github.com/RailsApps/rails-composer/ for RoR?
Yes, I was thinking something like that. There's be an app on CPAN,
something pure Perl to make it trivial to install.
cpanm CatalystX::App::ProjectBuilder
and then that would install a commandline app that took a configuration
file of key values and either a url or name of an installed CPAN
distribution with the templates
cat myconfig | catalyzer http://github.com/path_to_something
where myconfig would just be a hash ref
{
name = ...
}
and the url would be a repo with templates, probably using something
lighter than template toolkit
You'd need to be able to specify some values via the commandline I guess
cat myconfig | catalyzer --namespace MyApp::Web --template
http://github.com/path_to_something
that would probably work well for just being a project directory and file
builder. It would do some of the stuff that puppet or chef does, like
install mysql, and all that. These are probably overlapping concerns,
and I think having something like ^^ would be pretty easy to do and also
I think really, REALLY helpful to people using Catalyst.
I know if such a think existed I'd put some templates on github pretty
quick.
If someone wants to take this on, I'd be happy to assist.
John
On 17 Aug 2013, at 20:21, Ynon Perek ynonpe...@gmail.com
(mailto:ynonpe...@gmail.com) wrote:
Hi All,
After working with catalyst for some time, I found catalyst.pl
(http://catalyst.pl/) too minimalistic for my needs.
So I created a small script called ctstarter.pl
(http://ctstarter.pl/) that adds some features to the base template
you get for a new project. Currently it adds:
1. A starter DB and migrations (using DBIx::Class::Migration)
2. Code and DB tables for managing users and roles (using
CatalystX::SimpleLogin)
3. A Twitter Bootstrap web view with templates (using
Catalyst::Helper::View::Bootstrap)
4. Two helper scripts: one to upgrade the DB and the other to reset
admin password.
You can find the source and usage instructions here:
https://github.com/ynonp/ctstarter.pl
Any feedbacks is appreciated.
Cheers,
Ynon
Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst starter template
Hi,
I think it should be easy enough to translate my code to the suggested
catalyzer form.
I'll do the coding and update.
Then we'll be able to start writing templates.
Cheers,
Ynon
On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 at 22:28, John Napiorkowski wrote:
From: Gianrossi, Paolo paolino.gianro...@gmail.com
(mailto:paolino.gianro...@gmail.com)
To: The elegant MVC web framework catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk
(mailto:catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk)
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst starter template
Isn't this something along the lines of
https://github.com/RailsApps/rails-composer/ for RoR?
Yes, I was thinking something like that. There's be an app on CPAN,
something pure Perl to make it trivial to install.
cpanm CatalystX::App::ProjectBuilder
and then that would install a commandline app that took a configuration file
of key values and either a url or name of an installed CPAN distribution with
the templates
cat myconfig | catalyzer http://github.com/path_to_something
where myconfig would just be a hash ref
{
name = ...
}
and the url would be a repo with templates, probably using something lighter
than template toolkit
You'd need to be able to specify some values via the commandline I guess
cat myconfig | catalyzer --namespace MyApp::Web --template
http://github.com/path_to_something
that would probably work well for just being a project directory and file
builder. It would do some of the stuff that puppet or chef does, like
install mysql, and all that. These are probably overlapping concerns, and I
think having something like ^^ would be pretty easy to do and also I think
really, REALLY helpful to people using Catalyst.
I know if such a think existed I'd put some templates on github pretty quick.
If someone wants to take this on, I'd be happy to assist.
John
On 17 Aug 2013, at 20:21, Ynon Perek ynonpe...@gmail.com
(mailto:ynonpe...@gmail.com) wrote:
Hi All,
After working with catalyst for some time, I found catalyst.pl
(http://catalyst.pl) too minimalistic for my needs.
So I created a small script called ctstarter.pl (http://ctstarter.pl)
that adds some features to the base template you get for a new project.
Currently it adds:
1. A starter DB and migrations (using DBIx::Class::Migration)
2. Code and DB tables for managing users and roles (using
CatalystX::SimpleLogin)
3. A Twitter Bootstrap web view with templates (using
Catalyst::Helper::View::Bootstrap)
4. Two helper scripts: one to upgrade the DB and the other to reset admin
password.
You can find the source and usage instructions here:
https://github.com/ynonp/ctstarter.pl
Any feedbacks is appreciated.
Cheers,
Ynon
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Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst starter template
Ynon++
You might want to look at https://metacpan.org/module/Template::Tiny for
templating, I don't think we need all of TT
John
From: Ynon Perek ynonpe...@gmail.com
To: John Napiorkowski jjn1...@yahoo.com; The elegant MVC web framework
catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 2:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst starter template
Hi,
I think it should be easy enough to translate my code to the suggested
catalyzer form.
I'll do the coding and update.
Then we'll be able to start writing templates.
Cheers,
Ynon
On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 at 22:28, John Napiorkowski wrote:
From: Gianrossi, Paolo paolino.gianro...@gmail.com
To: The elegant MVC web framework catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst starter template
Isn't this something along the lines of
https://github.com/RailsApps/rails-composer/ for RoR?
Yes, I was thinking something like that. There's be an app on CPAN,
something pure Perl to make it trivial to install.
cpanm CatalystX::App::ProjectBuilder
and then that would install a commandline app that took a configuration file
of key values and either a url or name of an installed CPAN distribution with
the templates
cat myconfig | catalyzer http://github.com/path_to_something
where myconfig would just be a hash ref
{
name = ...
}
and the url would be a repo with templates, probably using something lighter
than template toolkit
You'd need to be able to specify some values via the commandline I guess
cat myconfig | catalyzer --namespace MyApp::Web --template
http://github.com/path_to_something
that would probably work well for just being a project directory and file
builder. It would do some of the stuff that puppet or chef does, like
install mysql, and all that. These are probably overlapping concerns, and I
think having something like ^^ would be pretty easy to do and also I think
really, REALLY helpful to people using Catalyst.
I know if such a think existed I'd put some templates on github pretty quick.
If someone wants to take this on, I'd be happy to assist.
John
On 17 Aug 2013, at 20:21, Ynon Perek ynonpe...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi All,
After working with catalyst for some time, I found catalyst.pl too
minimalistic for my needs.
So I created a small script called ctstarter.pl that adds some features to
the base template you get for a new project. Currently it adds:
1. A starter DB and migrations (using DBIx::Class::Migration)
2. Code and DB tables for managing users and roles (using
CatalystX::SimpleLogin)
3. A Twitter Bootstrap web view with templates (using
Catalyst::Helper::View::Bootstrap)
4. Two helper scripts: one to upgrade the DB and the other to reset admin
password.
You can find the source and usage instructions here:
https://github.com/ynonp/ctstarter.pl
Any feedbacks is appreciated.
Cheers,
Ynon
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Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst starter template
Hi John and All, I like the templates idea - however I think chef is an overkill (not everyone using catalyst know chef, and there's already a learning curve. Adding a new technology may only make things harder on new users). IMHO the best option would be to have several project templates on github, and a user can just git clone a starter. Problem here is the application name needs to be modified in the process (which really appears everywhere). If we can work around that anyone will be able to write their own template -- כותב הרצאות ? מדבר מול קהל ? הבלוג שלי לומד לדבר (http://publicspeakr.blogspot.co.il) כתוב במיוחד בשבילך On Monday, August 19, 2013 at 15:43, John Napiorkowski wrote: Ynon, Yeah, the skeleton builder is showing its age a bit. I personally never use it, but I see the need for something like this. I've come to the conclusion that 'one starter to rule them all' isn't going to be very forward looking no matter what it looks like. I was pondering something were people could easily make templates and skel on say github and people could point some sort of cmd line tool at it and just use their favorite authors way of doing it. That way people could fork their favorite and tweak it a bit. We could even have a repo on github with a list of all the know templates that the commandline tools would read and make it straight up to generate a new project. On the other hand... maybe its silly to reinvent the wheel here. Isn't this just what Chef and Puppet do? Maybe we should just use that instead? I personally have no issue using Python or Ruby for something as simple as a project builder, and it would solve some issues. We'd even be able to make chef scripts to do stuff like set up common tables and all that (how many user/role tables have you made). Of course Puppet/Chef might seem like terrible overkill as well. Again, It would be nice to have a way for people to be able to easily create basic project templates and a little more, like setup mysql, etc. Thoughts? John From: Ynon Perek ynonpe...@gmail.com (mailto:ynonpe...@gmail.com) To: catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk (mailto:catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk) Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 3:21 PM Subject: [Catalyst] Catalyst starter template Hi All, After working with catalyst for some time, I found catalyst.pl (http://catalyst.pl) too minimalistic for my needs. So I created a small script called ctstarter.pl (http://ctstarter.pl) that adds some features to the base template you get for a new project. Currently it adds: 1. A starter DB and migrations (using DBIx::Class::Migration) 2. Code and DB tables for managing users and roles (using CatalystX::SimpleLogin) 3. A Twitter Bootstrap web view with templates (using Catalyst::Helper::View::Bootstrap) 4. Two helper scripts: one to upgrade the DB and the other to reset admin password. You can find the source and usage instructions here: https://github.com/ynonp/ctstarter.pl Any feedbacks is appreciated. Cheers, Ynon ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk (mailto:Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk) Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk (mailto:Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk) Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst starter template
I agree, if perl isn't good for mangling text then what is? The Catalsyt Devel code should be in a reasonable state for a volunteer to take it on should the itch need to be scratched badly enough. On 20/08/2013, at 8:45 PM, Ynon Perek wrote: Hi John and All, I like the templates idea - however I think chef is an overkill (not everyone using catalyst know chef, and there's already a learning curve. Adding a new technology may only make things harder on new users). IMHO the best option would be to have several project templates on github, and a user can just git clone a starter. Problem here is the application name needs to be modified in the process (which really appears everywhere). If we can work around that anyone will be able to write their own template -- כותב הרצאות ? מדבר מול קהל ? הבלוג שלי לומד לדבר (http://publicspeakr.blogspot.co.il) כתוב במיוחד בשבילך On Monday, August 19, 2013 at 15:43, John Napiorkowski wrote: Ynon, Yeah, the skeleton builder is showing its age a bit. I personally never use it, but I see the need for something like this. I've come to the conclusion that 'one starter to rule them all' isn't going to be very forward looking no matter what it looks like. I was pondering something were people could easily make templates and skel on say github and people could point some sort of cmd line tool at it and just use their favorite authors way of doing it. That way people could fork their favorite and tweak it a bit. We could even have a repo on github with a list of all the know templates that the commandline tools would read and make it straight up to generate a new project. On the other hand... maybe its silly to reinvent the wheel here. Isn't this just what Chef and Puppet do? Maybe we should just use that instead? I personally have no issue using Python or Ruby for something as simple as a project builder, and it would solve some issues. We'd even be able to make chef scripts to do stuff like set up common tables and all that (how many user/role tables have you made). Of course Puppet/Chef might seem like terrible overkill as well. Again, It would be nice to have a way for people to be able to easily create basic project templates and a little more, like setup mysql, etc. Thoughts? John From: Ynon Perek ynonpe...@gmail.com (mailto:ynonpe...@gmail.com) To: catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk (mailto:catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk) Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 3:21 PM Subject: [Catalyst] Catalyst starter template Hi All, After working with catalyst for some time, I found catalyst.pl (http://catalyst.pl) too minimalistic for my needs. So I created a small script called ctstarter.pl (http://ctstarter.pl) that adds some features to the base template you get for a new project. Currently it adds: 1. A starter DB and migrations (using DBIx::Class::Migration) 2. Code and DB tables for managing users and roles (using CatalystX::SimpleLogin) 3. A Twitter Bootstrap web view with templates (using Catalyst::Helper::View::Bootstrap) 4. Two helper scripts: one to upgrade the DB and the other to reset admin password. You can find the source and usage instructions here: https://github.com/ynonp/ctstarter.pl Any feedbacks is appreciated. Cheers, Ynon ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk (mailto:Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk) Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk (mailto:Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk) Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst starter template
Isn't this something along the lines of https://github.com/RailsApps/rails-composer/ for RoR? On 17 Aug 2013, at 20:21, Ynon Perek ynonpe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, After working with catalyst for some time, I found catalyst.pl too minimalistic for my needs. So I created a small script called ctstarter.pl that adds some features to the base template you get for a new project. Currently it adds: 1. A starter DB and migrations (using DBIx::Class::Migration) 2. Code and DB tables for managing users and roles (using CatalystX::SimpleLogin) 3. A Twitter Bootstrap web view with templates (using Catalyst::Helper::View::Bootstrap) 4. Two helper scripts: one to upgrade the DB and the other to reset admin password. You can find the source and usage instructions here: https://github.com/ynonp/ctstarter.pl Any feedbacks is appreciated. Cheers, Ynon ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst starter template
From: Gianrossi, Paolo paolino.gianro...@gmail.com
To: The elegant MVC web framework catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst starter template
Isn't this something along the lines of
https://github.com/RailsApps/rails-composer/ for RoR?
Yes, I was thinking something like that. There's be an app on CPAN, something
pure Perl to make it trivial to install.
cpanm CatalystX::App::ProjectBuilder
and then that would install a commandline app that took a configuration file of
key values and either a url or name of an installed CPAN distribution with the
templates
cat myconfig | catalyzer http://github.com/path_to_something
where myconfig would just be a hash ref
{
name = ...
}
and the url would be a repo with templates, probably using something lighter
than template toolkit
You'd need to be able to specify some values via the commandline I guess
cat myconfig | catalyzer --namespace MyApp::Web --template
http://github.com/path_to_something
that would probably work well for just being a project directory and file
builder. It would do some of the stuff that puppet or chef does, like install
mysql, and all that. These are probably overlapping concerns, and I think
having something like ^^ would be pretty easy to do and also I think really,
REALLY helpful to people using Catalyst.
I know if such a think existed I'd put some templates on github pretty quick.
If someone wants to take this on, I'd be happy to assist.
John
On 17 Aug 2013, at 20:21, Ynon Perek ynonpe...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi All,
After working with catalyst for some time, I found catalyst.pl too
minimalistic for my needs.
So I created a small script called ctstarter.pl that adds some features to
the base template you get for a new project. Currently it adds:
1. A starter DB and migrations (using DBIx::Class::Migration)
2. Code and DB tables for managing users and roles (using
CatalystX::SimpleLogin)
3. A Twitter Bootstrap web view with templates (using
Catalyst::Helper::View::Bootstrap)
4. Two helper scripts: one to upgrade the DB and the other to reset admin
password.
You can find the source and usage instructions here:
https://github.com/ynonp/ctstarter.pl
Any feedbacks is appreciated.
Cheers,
Ynon
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Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst starter template
Ynon, Yeah, the skeleton builder is showing its age a bit. I personally never use it, but I see the need for something like this. I've come to the conclusion that 'one starter to rule them all' isn't going to be very forward looking no matter what it looks like. I was pondering something were people could easily make templates and skel on say github and people could point some sort of cmd line tool at it and just use their favorite authors way of doing it. That way people could fork their favorite and tweak it a bit. We could even have a repo on github with a list of all the know templates that the commandline tools would read and make it straight up to generate a new project. On the other hand... maybe its silly to reinvent the wheel here. Isn't this just what Chef and Puppet do? Maybe we should just use that instead? I personally have no issue using Python or Ruby for something as simple as a project builder, and it would solve some issues. We'd even be able to make chef scripts to do stuff like set up common tables and all that (how many user/role tables have you made). Of course Puppet/Chef might seem like terrible overkill as well. Again, It would be nice to have a way for people to be able to easily create basic project templates and a little more, like setup mysql, etc. Thoughts? John From: Ynon Perek ynonpe...@gmail.com To: catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 3:21 PM Subject: [Catalyst] Catalyst starter template Hi All, After working with catalyst for some time, I found catalyst.pl too minimalistic for my needs. So I created a small script called ctstarter.pl that adds some features to the base template you get for a new project. Currently it adds: 1. A starter DB and migrations (using DBIx::Class::Migration) 2. Code and DB tables for managing users and roles (using CatalystX::SimpleLogin) 3. A Twitter Bootstrap web view with templates (using Catalyst::Helper::View::Bootstrap) 4. Two helper scripts: one to upgrade the DB and the other to reset admin password. You can find the source and usage instructions here: https://github.com/ynonp/ctstarter.pl Any feedbacks is appreciated. Cheers, Ynon ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
