Re: RE:[cayugabirds-l] snowy owl

2013-12-31 Thread Donna Scott 
I was there around 3:45 today, but unfortunately did not find or did not see 
the Snowy Owl.

Lucky Neil and friends!
Donna Scott
  - Original Message - 
  From: Neil F. Belcher 
  To: CAYUGABIRDS-L 
  Cc: Karel V. Sedlacek ; Cynthia L. Sedlacek ; Stephanie P. Herrick 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 8:16 PM
  Subject: RE:[cayugabirds-l] snowy owl


  Karel Sedlacek and I made our way up there at 1:45 pm and found a Snowy (same 
one I suppose) north of that location at the intersection of Indian Field Rd 
and Townline Rd. It was perched on top of a telephone pole on the east side of 
the road. 

   

  Karel streamed it live - 
http://new.livestream.com/accounts/3414738/events/2657890 
   
  It caught a critter and had some lunch (see "Video on Snowy -- Clip 2" 
starting at 00:10:00 on the clip). 

   

  Some of the best shots are on "Video on Snowy -- Clip 2" starting at 1:33 on 
the clip - on a fence post on Indian Field Rd, 300 yds north of the 
farm/intersection - at eye level - got scared away by a passing tractor.
   

  We believe it to be either an adult female or a first year male. It moved 
from pole to pole up and down Indian Field Road and eventually settled  in a 
corn stubble field east of our first location. It appeared to center its 
movement around the farm at that intersection. We met the farm owner and they 
said that this was the first they had seen it (they were also watching it) this 
year but had seen one last year. 

   

  An absolutely magnificent bird, I will never forget those eyes!

   

  Happy New Year!!!

   

  -Neil Belcher

   

   

  From: bounce-111454939-62211...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-111454939-62211...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Linda Post Van 
Buskirk
  Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 9:33 AM
  To: CAYUGABIRDS-L
  Cc: judybaile...@yahoo.com
  Subject: [cayugabirds-l] snowy owl

   

  I just had a call from a friend on Indian Field Road. " Their" snowy owl has 
been sitting on a pole just south (I believe) of the intersection of Indian 
Field Road and Poplar Ridge Road (Cayuga County; I'm not sure whether that's in 
Venice or Genoa; Indian Field is between 34 and 34B).

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RE:[cayugabirds-l] snowy owl

2013-12-31 Thread Neil F. Belcher 
Karel Sedlacek and I made our way up there at 1:45 pm and found a Snowy (same 
one I suppose) north of that location at the intersection of Indian Field Rd 
and Townline Rd. It was perched on top of a telephone pole on the east side of 
the road.

Karel streamed it live - 
http://new.livestream.com/accounts/3414738/events/2657890

It caught a critter and had some lunch (see "Video on Snowy -- Clip 2" starting 
at 00:10:00 on the clip).

Some of the best shots are on "Video on Snowy -- Clip 2" starting at 1:33 on 
the clip - on a fence post on Indian Field Rd, 300 yds north of the 
farm/intersection - at eye level - got scared away by a passing tractor.

We believe it to be either an adult female or a first year male. It moved from 
pole to pole up and down Indian Field Road and eventually settled  in a corn 
stubble field east of our first location. It appeared to center its movement 
around the farm at that intersection. We met the farm owner and they said that 
this was the first they had seen it (they were also watching it) this year but 
had seen one last year.

An absolutely magnificent bird, I will never forget those eyes!

Happy New Year!!!

-Neil Belcher


From: bounce-111454939-62211...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-111454939-62211...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Linda Post Van 
Buskirk
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 9:33 AM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L
Cc: judybaile...@yahoo.com
Subject: [cayugabirds-l] snowy owl

I just had a call from a friend on Indian Field Road. " Their" snowy owl has 
been sitting on a pole just south (I believe) of the intersection of Indian 
Field Road and Poplar Ridge Road (Cayuga County; I'm not sure whether that's in 
Venice or Genoa; Indian Field is between 34 and 34B).
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[cayugabirds-l] More Snowy Owls (Montezuma)

2013-12-31 Thread M Miller 
At 4 PM Tuesday, 2 owls were west of the potato barn on the poles along rte 31. 
One took off just before I left (unobserved) but the remaining one was still on 
a pole near the tater barn.


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Re: [cayugabirds-l] a passle of snow buntings-Hanshaw Rd

2013-12-31 Thread Robert Horn 
Saw a similar flock on Waterwagon road at 4:00 PM. Bob Horn
On Dec 31, 2013, at 4:48 PM, Anne Clark wrote:

> At about 1300 today 31 Dec 13, there was a flighty, flickering flock of  
> 200-250 snow buntings working back and forth on the S side of Hanshaw road, 
> near the closest woods line, a short distance East of the SPCA.  Absolutely 
> beautiful--cannot imagine picking out one and keeping my eye on it.
> 
> They were distant and only sometimes landed where could be scoped, but I 
> looked enough and took sufficient pictures to satisfy myself that there were 
> no larks among them.
> 
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[cayugabirds-l] a passle of snow buntings-Hanshaw Rd

2013-12-31 Thread Anne Clark 
At about 1300 today 31 Dec 13, there was a flighty, flickering flock of  
200-250 snow buntings working back and forth on the S side of Hanshaw road, 
near the closest woods line, a short distance East of the SPCA.  Absolutely 
beautiful--cannot imagine picking out one and keeping my eye on it.

They were distant and only sometimes landed where could be scoped, but I looked 
enough and took sufficient pictures to satisfy myself that there were no larks 
among them.

Anne Clark
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] count v hunting: a possible solution

2013-12-31 Thread Alicia Plotkin 
As Dave may remember from his days skirmishing with dog walkers at 
Treman Marina, the City neither owns nor controls what happens offshore 
in Cayuga Lake.  The lake bottom, and what happens above it, is 
regulated solely by the state of NY.   (Unlike most bodies of water in 
NYS, both Cayuga and Seneca Lakes, including the lake bottoms, are owned 
by the state.)  This  which is why if you want to build a dock or boat 
house over the lake, for example, you have to get permission from the 
State in addition to regular building permits.  So while the City can 
control who carries guns in Stewart Park, it can't keep someone from 
having a gun if s/he is standing in the lake itself. The Ithaca City 
Court recognized the limits of the city's power when it held the city 
could not ticket off leash dogs swimming in the lake at Treman Marina: 
while the city has a law against off leash dogs, as does the state park 
system, the state itself does not and it is NYS that regulates the 
lake.  Similarly, the city can prohibit someone from landing a boat at 
Stewart Park, but unless there is some state law giving it the power to 
do so, it cannot prohibit one from approaching, regardless of what the 
statute says.  Finally, FWIW, Treman Marina is located geographically 
within the city but as state park land, it is not subject to city laws - 
the state park laws and state laws regulate what is permissible there.

Best -

Alicia


On 12/31/2013 12:32 PM, Linda Orkin wrote:
> It will come as no surprise that I would be very willing to work with 
> others to enact out existing statutes regarding this. This is great 
> information Dave and thank you.
>
> You will be sorely missed tomorrow.
>
> Linda
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 31, 2013, at 11:46 AM, Dave Nutter  > wrote:
>
>> I support keeping New Year's Day for the Ithaca count, despite the 
>> difficulty in explaining to people why our Christmas Bird Count is on 
>> the wrong holiday. The reasons have to do with data, birds, and 
>> people, and an alternative solution.
>>
>> The Ithaca count has a long tradition of being on this date starting 
>> with Doc Allen, so our records are likely more valuable for 
>> consistency than most counts, many of which vary by several days 
>> between years as they try to use (and conflict with one another) on 
>> weekend days. Being late in the 3-week window for counts, our count 
>> may also give a better picture of winter bird numbers. As climate 
>> change occurs it's even more important to have data which is taken 
>> consistently from year to year. Yes, the disruption of waterfowl in 
>> the past several years has been significant, and should be noted in 
>> the records for those using waterfowl data, but the Christmas Bird 
>> Count is not just of water birds and not just on the lake. Sorry, 
>> Ken, that your job has been made more difficult as Stewart Park 
>> counter. I'd like to try to change the situation in the City (more 
>> below).
>>
>> On the human side, I think having the count on this secular holiday 
>> is both good for getting a large and consistent turn-out of counters 
>> (I think I am an exception in that I work Wednesdays regardless so I 
>> won't be counting this year.), it is appropriately celebrated by 
>> birders as we start our year lists. Of course always want more 
>> counters because we have higher standards for coverage than most 
>> counts, and we always miss the great birders who migrate away 
>> according to the academic calendar, but I don't think we are likely 
>> to get more college folks participating unless we move the date to 
>> the very earliest end (with maximum data screw-up), and meanwhile any 
>> change from New Year's Day will lose a bunch of regular counters.
>>
>> About gunning season, from what I have just read in the resources 
>> which others have supplied to this listserv (thank-you!), I think the 
>> feds set the start and end date, as well as the maximum number of 
>> days in between which may be open, while the states decide which 
>> calendar days will be open. The state is nominally open to input, but 
>> (again looking at those resources) clearly is interested mainly 
>> (only?) in the views of those wanting maximum shooting opportunities, 
>> so the state makes a big effort to include as many weekends and 
>> holidays as possible, which of course are also the times when those 
>> of us who are not killing things or endangering anyone also have the 
>> most free time to be out, so the conflicts are maximized. We could 
>> try, but I think it would be difficult to get a holiday from shooting 
>> on New Year's Day. It's another question whether it's possible to 
>> reason with the particular individuals who are so intent on killing 
>> birds at the south end of Cayuga Lake that it appears to me they are 
>> willing to break various rules.
>>
>> Regarding the City of Ithaca, in 1994 it rescinded the lake hunting 
>> whose

Re: [cayugabirds-l] 67 Wild Turkeys!!

2013-12-31 Thread Mo Barger Rooster Hill Farm 
I wish it were possible to 'like' an e-mail! :)
What were they eating?

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] 67 Wild Turkeys!!

2013-12-31 Thread Nigel Dyson-Hudson 
Tomorrow you can fill in: http://www.dec.ny.gov/animals/48756.html
The 2014 Wild Turkey Winter Flock Survey (PDF) (31 kB) is available
for printing or download. Completed survey forms should be sent to:

Winter Turkey Survey
NYSDEC
625 Broadway
Albany, NY 12233-4754

Nigel

On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Sandy Podulka  wrote:
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> In our yard right now in Brooktondale. I sure hope they show up tomorrow! 
> --Sandy Podulka
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[cayugabirds-l] 67 Wild Turkeys!!

2013-12-31 Thread Sandy Podulka 
In our yard right now in Brooktondale. I sure hope they show up 
tomorrow! --Sandy Podulka




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Re: [cayugabirds-l] count v hunting: a possible solution

2013-12-31 Thread Linda Orkin 
It will come as no surprise that I would be very willing to work with others to 
enact out existing statutes regarding this. This is great information Dave and 
thank you. 

You will be sorely missed tomorrow. 

Linda 

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 31, 2013, at 11:46 AM, Dave Nutter  wrote:

> I support keeping New Year's Day for the Ithaca count, despite the difficulty 
> in explaining to people why our Christmas Bird Count is on the wrong holiday. 
> The reasons have to do with data, birds, and people, and an alternative 
> solution. 
> 
> The Ithaca count has a long tradition of being on this date starting with Doc 
> Allen, so our records are likely more valuable for consistency than most 
> counts, many of which vary by several days between years as they try to use 
> (and conflict with one another) on weekend days. Being late in the 3-week 
> window for counts, our count may also give a better picture of winter bird 
> numbers. As climate change occurs it's even more important to have data which 
> is taken consistently from year to year. Yes, the disruption of waterfowl in 
> the past several years has been significant, and should be noted in the 
> records for those using waterfowl data, but the Christmas Bird Count is not 
> just of water birds and not just on the lake. Sorry, Ken, that your job has 
> been made more difficult as Stewart Park counter. I'd like to try to change 
> the situation in the City (more below). 
> 
> On the human side, I think having the count on this secular holiday is both 
> good for getting a large and consistent turn-out of counters (I think I am an 
> exception in that I work Wednesdays regardless so I won't be counting this 
> year.), it is appropriately celebrated by birders as we start our year lists. 
> Of course always want more counters because we have higher standards for 
> coverage than most counts, and we always miss the great birders who migrate 
> away according to the academic calendar, but I don't think we are likely to 
> get more college folks participating unless we move the date to the very 
> earliest end (with maximum data screw-up), and meanwhile any change from New 
> Year's Day will lose a bunch of regular counters. 
> 
> About gunning season, from what I have just read in the resources which 
> others have supplied to this listserv (thank-you!), I think the feds set the 
> start and end date, as well as the maximum number of days in between which 
> may be open, while the states decide which calendar days will be open. The 
> state is nominally open to input, but (again looking at those resources) 
> clearly is interested mainly (only?) in the views of those wanting maximum 
> shooting opportunities, so the state makes a big effort to include as many 
> weekends and holidays as possible, which of course are also the times when 
> those of us who are not killing things or endangering anyone also have the 
> most free time to be out, so the conflicts are maximized. We could try, but I 
> think it would be difficult to get a holiday from shooting on New Year's Day. 
> It's another question whether it's possible to reason with the particular 
> individuals who are so intent on killing birds at the south end of Cayuga 
> Lake that it appears to me they are willing to break various rules.
> 
> Regarding the City of Ithaca, in 1994 it rescinded the lake hunting whose 
> start was bemoaned in the historic newspaper column which Jane Graves posted 
> on the club website and which Linda Orkin just sent out. Nowadays, shooting 
> in the City is simply banned except for self defense, police purposes, 
> funeral services, and at supervised indoor ranges, according to the City 
> Code, Chapter 219, section 1. And according to 219-2, "No person shall hunt, 
> pursue or kill with a gun or firearm any wild animals, fowl or birds or 
> engage in hunting within the city." 
> 
> What many people don't realize, though, is that the City of Ithaca includes 
> not just the southern shoreline of Cayuga Lake (all of Allen H. Treman State 
> Marine Park west to NYS-89, all of Stewart Park, and both the lighthouses), 
> but the City of Ithaca also includes the lake itself all the way to the 
> western shore as far north as #883 Taughannock Boulevard, and south of an 
> east-west line which extends almost to the shore just north of #940 East 
> Shore Drive, the northernmost of the first group of houses. Only a tiny strip 
> of east shoreline water from the Chamber of Commerce Visitor Center north 
> past those houses is outside the City of Ithaca. Thus a piece of the lake 
> which would serve resting waterfowl very well happens to be within City 
> limits. To see for yourself, zoom in on this map:
> http://geo.tompkins-co.org/html/?viewer=tcpropmo
> 
> Furthermore, Stewart Park, which has additional protections, extends north to 
> that limit. According to the City Code 336-10, Stewart Park extends "...down 
> Fall Creek to its mouth; thence north to the north City line; t

[cayugabirds-l] count v hunting: a possible solution

2013-12-31 Thread Dave Nutter 
I support keeping New Year's Day for the Ithaca count, despite the difficulty in explaining to people why our Christmas Bird Count is on the wrong holiday. The reasons have to do with data, birds, and people, and an alternative solution. The Ithaca count has a long tradition of being on this date starting with Doc Allen, so our records are likely more valuable for consistency than most counts, many of which vary by several days between years as they try to use (and conflict with one another) on weekend days. Being late in the 3-week window for counts, our count may also give a better picture of winter bird numbers. As climate change occurs it's even more important to have data which is taken consistently from year to year. Yes, the disruption of waterfowl in the past several years has been significant, and should be noted in the records for those using waterfowl data, but the Christmas Bird Count is not just of water birds and not just on the lake. Sorry, Ken, that your job has been made more difficult as Stewart Park counter. I'd like to try to change the situation in the City (more below). On the human side, I think having the count on this secular holiday is both good for getting a large and consistent turn-out of counters (I think I am an exception in that I work Wednesdays regardless so I won't be counting this year.), it is appropriately celebrated by birders as we start our year lists. Of course always want more counters because we have higher standards for coverage than most counts, and we always miss the great birders who migrate away according to the academic calendar, but I don't think we are likely to get more college folks participating unless we move the date to the very earliest end (with maximum data screw-up), and meanwhile any change from New Year's Day will lose a bunch of regular counters. About gunning season, from what I have just read in the resources which others have supplied to this listserv (thank-you!), I think the feds set the start and end date, as well as the maximum number of days in between which may be open, while the states decide which calendar days will be open. The state is nominally open to input, but (again looking at those resources) clearly is interested mainly (only?) in the views of those wanting maximum shooting opportunities, so the state makes a big effort to include as many weekends and holidays as possible, which of course are also the times when those of us who are not killing things or endangering anyone also have the most free time to be out, so the conflicts are maximized. We could try, but I think it would be difficult to get a holiday from shooting on New Year's Day. It's another question whether it's possible to reason with the particular individuals who are so intent on killing birds at the south end of Cayuga Lake that it appears to me they are willing to break various rules.Regarding the City of Ithaca, in 1994 it rescinded the lake hunting whose start was bemoaned in the historic newspaper column which Jane Graves posted on the club website and which Linda Orkin just sent out. Nowadays, shooting in the City is simply banned except for self defense, police purposes, funeral services, and at supervised indoor ranges, according to the City Code, Chapter 219, section 1. And according to 219-2, "No person shall hunt, pursue or kill with a gun or firearm
any wild animals, fowl or birds or engage in hunting within the city." What many people don't realize, though, is that the City of Ithaca includes not just the southern shoreline of Cayuga Lake (all of Allen H. Treman State Marine Park west to NYS-89, all of Stewart Park, and both the lighthouses), but the City of Ithaca also includes the lake itself all the way to the western shore as far north as #883 Taughannock Boulevard, and south of an east-west line which extends almost to the shore just north of #940 East Shore Drive, the northernmost of the first group of houses. Only a tiny strip of east shoreline water from the Chamber of Commerce Visitor Center north past those houses is outside the City of Ithaca. Thus a piece of the lake which would serve resting waterfowl very well happens to be within City limits. To see for yourself, zoom in on this map:http://geo.tompkins-co.org/html/?viewer=tcpropmoFurthermore, Stewart Park, which has additional protections, extends north to that limit. According to the City Code 336-10, Stewart Park extends "...down Fall Creek to its mouth; thence north to
the north City line; thence east along the north City line to the west line
of Lake Road; thence south along the west line of Lake Road to the northwest
line of State Route 13..." And within Stewart Park according to 336-22, "No person shall carry, transport or possess any firearm of any nature
in the park, but this section shall not apply to duly constituted peace officers." And the guys moored to the trees by the swan pond are prohibited by 336-19: "Except in the event of an emergency, no motorboat shall land at

[cayugabirds-l] snowy owl

2013-12-31 Thread Linda Post Van Buskirk 
I just had a call from a friend on Indian Field Road. " Their" snowy owl has 
been sitting on a pole just south (I believe) of the intersection of Indian 
Field Road and Poplar Ridge Road (Cayuga County; I'm not sure whether that's in 
Venice or Genoa; Indian Field is between 34 and 34B).

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