Weather forecast is for Northwest wind and low temperatures. So hopefully we
will have a decent flight tomorrow. Many loons have accumulated on the lake so
earlier part of the morning might be better.
On Saturday, November 14, Wes Blauvelt will lead a Loon Watch at Taughannock
If it's true that the issue has already been resolved (last year, as Ken
suggests), perhaps the city should take a cue from other regional entities (the
State Parks, the Finger Lakes Land Trust, the Finger Lakes Trail Conference,
the Arnot Teaching Forest, etc.), and just post the rule
Yet another good reason to buy a Duck Stamp. That way you can show your
support for conservation and that you are not against their activity per
say, just the location. I am willing to bet that if you showed that you
too had a duck stamp and explained your concern that this is a city park
Turkey vultures in this stiff west wind are enjoying themselves I think. They
are flying across the wind at 90 deg and falling a free fall and then arrest
themselves and again dribble down in the wind and back. So it is such fun to
watch their behavior over computer screen.
Thanks, Dave, for staying with this. The City code is clear:
No person shall carry, transport or possess any firearm of any nature in the
park, but this section shall not apply to duly constituted peace officers.
Limited use of archery equipment, supervised as part of a program provided by
Just a reminder, as a few seem to forget each year, of some key points:
Hunting is LEGAL.
Guns are LEGAL.
Harassing legal hunting activity is a CRIME.
Birding, hunting and other wholesome outdoor activities are NOT mutually
And one personal observation. The sight of a gun
Here is a non-political early-morning photograph taken from the densely
populated southwest shore of Cayuga Lake 24 October 2015 showing rowers heading
out from the inlet in a northwest direction past my house for their usual
morning practice. The occupants in the boat to the right had set up
Earlier this afternoon Luke Seitz had an immature FRANKLIN'S GULL heading
south from Taughannock State Park. Checks of Stewart and Myers in the last
hour have proven fruitless, although I had an interesting bird far to the
north from Stewart, but it stayed too distant to be sure of anything. This
That's correct. The state has long reserved to itself the sole authority to
regulate hunting. In the case of waterfowl hunting at Stewart Park, the state
authority trumps any interpretation of the city ordinance that would ban
hunting on or in the state-owned waters of the lake, even
At 2:29 perhaps the same FRANKLIN'S GULL flew north past Myers with two
Bonaparte's. It continued out of sight.
On Nov 13, 2015 2:24 PM, "Jay McGowan" wrote:
> Earlier this afternoon Luke Seitz had an immature FRANKLIN'S GULL heading
> south from Taughannock State Park.
Amen Gary. You said what I tried to say in a clearer manner
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> On Nov 13, 2015, at 10:03 AM, Gary Kohlenberg wrote:
> Hi all,
> Just a reminder, as a few seem to forget each year, of some key points:
> Hunting is LEGAL.
> Guns are LEGAL.
When this issue was discussed last year Alicia Plotkin had apparently done
research on court rulings applicable to this. Begging her indulgence I copied
the response to Geo below in 2014.
In 2005 the Ithaca City Court ruled that only the State of New York can
regulations activities in or on
"After the cops drove off, the leader of the guys, the big one, said I
had won today, but if this happened again they'd call the cops on me for
I asked, if what happens?"
Great come-back Dave. I guess they don't understand that if they obey
If one goes to the City of Ithaca code site (ecode 360) and searches "guns" or
"hunting", you will find information on the ban on the discharge of a gun in
the city and also of the ban on hunting in the city. The word "firearms" will
direct to Article ll which defines the restriction in Stewart
The 2015/2016 Montezuma Winter Raptor Survey season will begin November 18th.
Surveys have been conducted annually at Montezuma since 2010, and will be
conducted weekly on Wednesdays, one half hour before sunset to one half hour
after sunset. Surveyors follow an established protocol. We need
My guess is that these hunters thought they were conducting themselves in a
manner consistent with NYSDEC regs, meaning that they have the right to
waterfowl hunt on Cayuga Lake as long they don't fire in the direction of a
dwelling that's less than 500' away (among other things).
Spent 20-30 minutes watching the hybrid Blue-winged/Cinnamon Teal at LaRues
Lagoon (Montezuma) when a tug boat went smoking & chugging up the canal and
spooked all the ducks & geese on LaRues. Most of them seemed to land in the
main pool, but unable to relocate the hybrid teal. Hoping it will
Before this annual listserv discussion escalates once again, I would like to
point out the whole issue of hunting within the Ithaca city limits was
discussed with the Mayor and city government last winter and, from what I
heard, resolved. John Dennis — Ithaca resident and birder — led
Although I am no longer an Ithaca resident, it warms my heart to see that
as always, Dave is looking out for his fellow birders and the citizens of
Ithaca by standing up to those men. Keep up the good work Dave and please
keep posting your birding adventures! They make me feel like I am back
I stand in support of Dave Nutter's account of illegal carrying of guns in a
park where birders and other non-consumptive users congregate. It is important
to alert people to a potentially dangerous situation.
I can see this thread is quickly going to degenerate into pro versus con but I
I have an issue with this being on the bird list--each of us may I have
our phobias and this list is no place for politics--the tenor of the
description of the incident makes it political for methe mere
mention of guns around the kids is a biased statement all by itself.
On 11/13/2015 7:54
Mr. Borden is correct.
The post by Mr. Nutter was not appropriate for this forum.
The political tone was especially revolting.
Posting the license numbers is so far over the top that I am disgusted.
I shall send a formal complaint to the list administrator. (I suppose I
should include the license
Dave, thanks for sharing your encounter with the List, because this potentially
affects anyone who intends to go birding at Stewart Park or in the nearby
areas, if this kind of activity is seasonally permitted from such a widely and
publicly used space.
Does the Cayuga Bird Club have an
It is great that you followed through on all of this! It sounds like an
intimidating situation, but you did not back down. I think it would be
worthwhile to share your experience with your city representative and the
Major. I just read in the Ithaca Journal this morning that all Ithaca
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