Re: [cayugabirds-l] Where are all my feeder birds

2017-10-25 Thread Dave Nutter
Possibly there is less risk of predation when birds are dispersed in cover to 
feed v. concentrated at a predictable site at feeders designed to be open 
enough on at least one side for people to observe from inside a house.
- - Dave Nutter 

> On Oct 25, 2017, at 11:58 AM, AB Clark  wrote:
> 
> I think it is extremely reassuring that, when the wild foods are ample, the 
> feeder-aware birds still prefer to use them.  Superior nutrition and 
> nutritional diversity, I am sure.
> 
> Anne B Clark
> 147 Hile School Rd
> Freeville, NY 13068
> 607-222-0905
> anneb.cl...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 25, 2017, at 11:54 AM, Marc Devokaitis  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> Re-opening this thread--I thought I'd share with the list a comment from 
>> Donald Leopold, Chair of the Department of Environmental and Forest Biology 
>> at SUNY-ESF (I was asking him about something else, but this came up.)
>> 
>> "Not only are conifers producing an extraordinary abundance of cones but I 
>> have never seen such an abundance of walnuts, hickories, oak acorns, sugar 
>> maple and white ash samaras, and other tree fruits and seeds. Interestingly, 
>> I’ve seen this above average production across the Northeast."
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hopefully this goes a long way to explaining the increase in decreases this 
>> year.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Marc Devokaitis
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Barbara B. Eden  wrote:
>>> For the past 2 months the resident birds that I daily feed have dropped in 
>>> population This is the first time this has happened and even those pesky 
>>> squirrels have left I live in Cayuga Heights and my backyard is a bird 
>>> friendly habitat
>>> Any thoughts would be appreciated 
>>> Thanks
>>> Barbara Eden
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[cayugabirds-l] 65 Sandhill Cranes

2017-10-25 Thread Dave K
65 Sandhill Cranes, South side of Armitage Rd near Olmstead. 4:45 this PM 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/105424358@N06/37880924956/in/datetaken-public/

[X]Sandhill Cranes 10-25-17 Armitage 
Rd

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Where are all my feeder birds

2017-10-25 Thread khmo
While I concur with the natural foods theory we are forgetting that at
this time of year many of "our" passerines have dispersed or moved
southward to some degree. Many of our fall and winter feeder birds are
those that have bred in Canada and come south for the winter. While
that's just beginning around here, the ADK has had a growing influx.
Over the course of 31 years of banding here we determined three groups
of Black-capped Chickadees, a small year around group, another that
breeds here and moves as far south and west as Kentucky/Tennessee for
the winter and a third that breeds in Quebec and Ontario and comes here
for the winter. A few other species do the same. I'm sure everyone has
noted the huge congregate flocks of Robins that will soon move SSW while
some will remain. There is so much food up north that I have little hope
for the projections of a finchy winter here although they are all in the
ADK in nice numbers. 

Lastly, a slightly irreverent explanation from the West Side is gaining
in popularity. See  

John 

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On 2017-10-25 19:08, t...@fltg.net wrote:

> Our (mostly red) oak trees had a huge mast year two years ago, but last year 
> and this year the acorns have been at more normal production levels. Red oaks 
> have a two year cycle for acorn production - the flowers from this year are 
> next year's acorns - so it could be that 2018 will be another big year for 
> acorns in our woods.
> 
> Cones & other nuts do seem abundant wherever we look, but I assumed it was 
> because this has been the first year in several that we didn't have an 
> ill-timed cold snap or drought during a crucial part of the growing season.  
> On our property we had almost no walnuts last year & I am certain that was 
> b/c of a bad cold snap just after pollination that seemed to kill most of the 
> tiny fruit, followed by an extended period without rain later in the growing 
> season.  There have been a couple of cold/warm/cold/warm periods in early 
> spring during the past five years and several kinds of fruit and nut trees 
> were affected. Perhaps the trees have energy on hand from those years when 
> they couldn't develop fruit, and can pour that energy into extra production 
> this year?  
> 
> While cold snaps & droughts also are connected to climate change, my guess is 
> that this year's abundance had more to do with these factors rather than with 
> warming - it wasn't all that warm in central NYS this summer [1], for one 
> thing!
> 
> Alicia
> 
> P.S.  Birders on the Maine bird list have similar complaints about the 
> disappearance of their feeder birds, with similar conclusions that it likely 
> is due to unusual amounts of food in the wild. 
> 
> - Original Message -
> 
> From: Betsy Darlington  
> To: "Marc Devokaitis" 
> Cc: "Barbara B. Eden" , "CAYUGABIRDS-L" 
> 
> Sent: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 12:47:44 -0400
> Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Where are all my feeder birds
> 
> I wonder if all these trees are putting out "stress cones/seeds," caused by 
> the accelerating warming.  Or do they just like being so warm? 
> Betsy 
> 
> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 11:54 AM, Marc Devokaitis  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi All, 
> Re-opening this thread--I thought I'd share with the list a comment from 
> Donald Leopold, Chair of the Department of Environmental and Forest Biology 
> at SUNY-ESF (I was asking him about something else, but this came up.) 
> 
> "Not only are conifers producing an extraordinary abundance of cones but I 
> have never seen such an abundance of walnuts, hickories, oak acorns, sugar 
> maple and white ash samaras, and other tree fruits and seeds. Interestingly, 
> I've seen this above average production across the Northeast." 
> 
> Hopefully this goes a long way to explaining the increase in decreases this 
> year. 
> 
> Marc Devokaitis 
> 
> On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Barbara B. Eden  wrote:
> 
> For the past 2 months the resident birds that I daily feed have dropped in 
> population This is the first time this has happened and even those pesky 
> squirrels have left I live in Cayuga Heights and my backyard is a bird 
> friendly habitat
> Any thoughts would be appreciated 
> Thanks
> Barbara Eden
> 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Where are all my feeder birds

2017-10-25 Thread martin borko
There is no question about it. It has been a banner year for fruit and cone 
production!!!
marty
> On Oct 25, 2017, at 3:08 PM, t...@fltg.net wrote:
> 
> Our (mostly red) oak trees had a huge mast year two years ago, but last year 
> and this year the acorns have been at more normal production levels. Red oaks 
> have a two year cycle for acorn production - the flowers from this year are 
> next year's acorns - so it could be that 2018 will be another big year for 
> acorns in our woods.
> 
> Cones & other nuts do seem abundant wherever we look, but I assumed it was 
> because this has been the first year in several that we didn't have an 
> ill-timed cold snap or drought during a crucial part of the growing season.  
> On our property we had almost no walnuts last year & I am certain that was 
> b/c of a bad cold snap just after pollination that seemed to kill most of the 
> tiny fruit, followed by an extended period without rain later in the growing 
> season.  There have been a couple of cold/warm/cold/warm periods in early 
> spring during the past five years and several kinds of fruit and nut trees 
> were affected. Perhaps the trees have energy on hand from those years when 
> they couldn't develop fruit, and can pour that energy into extra production 
> this year?  
> 
> While cold snaps & droughts also are connected to climate change, my guess is 
> that this year's abundance had more to do with these factors rather than with 
> warming - it wasn't all that warm in central NYS this summer 
> ,
>  for one thing!
> 
> Alicia
> 
> P.S.  Birders on the Maine bird list have similar complaints about the 
> disappearance of their feeder birds, with similar conclusions that it likely 
> is due to unusual amounts of food in the wild. 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From:
> Betsy Darlington 
> 
> To:
> "Marc Devokaitis" 
> Cc:
> "Barbara B. Eden" , "CAYUGABIRDS-L" 
> 
> Sent:
> Wed, 25 Oct 2017 12:47:44 -0400
> Subject:
> Re: [cayugabirds-l] Where are all my feeder birds
> 
> 
> I wonder if all these trees are putting out "stress cones/seeds," caused by 
> the accelerating warming.  Or do they just like being so warm?
> Betsy
> 
> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 11:54 AM, Marc Devokaitis  > wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> Re-opening this thread--I thought I'd share with the list a comment from 
> Donald Leopold, Chair of the Department of Environmental and Forest Biology 
> at SUNY-ESF (I was asking him about something else, but this came up.)
> 
> "Not only are conifers producing an extraordinary abundance of cones but I 
> have never seen such an abundance of walnuts, hickories, oak acorns, sugar 
> maple and white ash samaras, and other tree fruits and seeds. Interestingly, 
> I’ve seen this above average production across the Northeast."
> 
> 
> 
> Hopefully this goes a long way to explaining the increase in decreases this 
> year.
> 
> 
> 
> Marc Devokaitis
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Barbara B. Eden  > wrote:
> For the past 2 months the resident birds that I daily feed have dropped in 
> population This is the first time this has happened and even those pesky 
> squirrels have left I live in Cayuga Heights and my backyard is a bird 
> friendly habitat
> Any thoughts would be appreciated 
> Thanks
> Barbara Eden
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Where are all my feeder birds

2017-10-25 Thread tess
Our (mostly red) oak trees had a huge mast year two years ago, but
last year and this year the acorns have been at more normal
production levels. Red oaks have a two year cycle for acorn
production - the flowers from this year are next year's acorns - so
it could be that 2018 will be another big year for acorns in our
woods.

Cones & other nuts do seem abundant wherever we look, but I assumed
it was because this has been the first year in several that we didn't
have an ill-timed cold snap or drought during a crucial part of the
growing season.  On our property we had almost no walnuts last year
& I am certain that was b/c of a bad cold snap just after pollination
that seemed to kill most of the tiny fruit, followed by an extended
period without rain later in the growing season.  There have been a
couple of cold/warm/cold/warm periods in early spring during the past
five years and several kinds of fruit and nut trees were affected.
Perhaps the trees have energy on hand from those years when they
couldn't develop fruit, and can pour that energy into extra
production this year?  

While cold snaps background:rgb(228,228,228);">From: Betsy Darlington

To:"Marc Devokaitis" 
Cc:"Barbara B. Eden" , "CAYUGABIRDS-L" 
Sent:Wed, 25 Oct 2017 12:47:44 -0400
Subject:Re: [cayugabirds-l] Where are all my feeder birds

I wonder if all these trees are putting out "stress cones/seeds,"
caused by the accelerating warming.  Or do they just like being so
warm?Betsy

On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 11:54 AM, Marc Devokaitis  wrote:
Hi All,
Re-opening this thread--I thought I'd share with the list a comment
from Donald Leopold, Chair of the Department of Environmental and
Forest Biology at SUNY-ESF (I was asking him about something else,
but this came up.)

"Not only are conifers producing an extraordinary abundance of cones
but I have never seen such an abundance of walnuts, hickories, oak
acorns, sugar maple and white ash samaras, and other tree fruits and
seeds. Interestingly, I’ve seen this above average production
across the Northeast."

Hopefully this goes a long way to explaining the increase in
decreases this year.

Marc Devokaitis

On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Barbara B. Eden  wrote:
  For the past 2 months the resident birds that I daily feed have
dropped in population This is the first time this has happened and
even those pesky squirrels have left I live in Cayuga Heights and my
backyard is a bird friendly habitat
 Any thoughts would be appreciated 
 Thanks
 Barbara Eden

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Where are all my feeder birds

2017-10-25 Thread Betsy Darlington
I wonder if all these trees are putting out "stress cones/seeds," caused by
the accelerating warming.  Or do they just like being so warm?
Betsy

On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 11:54 AM, Marc Devokaitis 
wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Re-opening this thread--I thought I'd share with the list a comment from
> Donald Leopold, Chair of the Department of Environmental and Forest
> Biology at SUNY-ESF (I was asking him about something else, but this came
> up.)
>
> "Not only are conifers producing an extraordinary abundance of cones but
> I have never seen such an abundance of walnuts, hickories, oak acorns,
> sugar maple and white ash samaras, and other tree fruits and seeds.
> Interestingly, I’ve seen this above average production across the
> Northeast."
>
>
> Hopefully this goes a long way to explaining the increase in decreases
> this year.
>
>
> Marc Devokaitis
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Barbara B. Eden 
> wrote:
>
>> For the past 2 months the resident birds that I daily feed have dropped
>> in population This is the first time this has happened and even those pesky
>> squirrels have left I live in Cayuga Heights and my backyard is a bird
>> friendly habitat
>> Any thoughts would be appreciated
>> Thanks
>> Barbara Eden
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Where are all my feeder birds

2017-10-25 Thread AB Clark
I think it is extremely reassuring that, when the wild foods are ample, the 
feeder-aware birds still prefer to use them.  Superior nutrition and 
nutritional diversity, I am sure.

Anne B Clark
147 Hile School Rd
Freeville, NY 13068
607-222-0905
anneb.cl...@gmail.com





> On Oct 25, 2017, at 11:54 AM, Marc Devokaitis  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Re-opening this thread--I thought I'd share with the list a comment from 
> Donald Leopold, Chair of the Department of Environmental and Forest Biology 
> at SUNY-ESF (I was asking him about something else, but this came up.)
> 
> "Not only are conifers producing an extraordinary abundance of cones but I 
> have never seen such an abundance of walnuts, hickories, oak acorns, sugar 
> maple and white ash samaras, and other tree fruits and seeds. Interestingly, 
> I’ve seen this above average production across the Northeast."
> 
> 
> 
> Hopefully this goes a long way to explaining the increase in decreases this 
> year.
> 
> 
> 
> Marc Devokaitis
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Barbara B. Eden  > wrote:
> For the past 2 months the resident birds that I daily feed have dropped in 
> population This is the first time this has happened and even those pesky 
> squirrels have left I live in Cayuga Heights and my backyard is a bird 
> friendly habitat
> Any thoughts would be appreciated 
> Thanks
> Barbara Eden
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Where are all my feeder birds

2017-10-25 Thread Marc Devokaitis
Hi All,

Re-opening this thread--I thought I'd share with the list a comment from
Donald Leopold, Chair of the Department of Environmental and Forest Biology
 at SUNY-ESF (I was asking him about something else, but this came up.)

"Not only are conifers producing an extraordinary abundance of cones but I
have never seen such an abundance of walnuts, hickories, oak acorns, sugar
maple and white ash samaras, and other tree fruits and seeds.
Interestingly, I’ve seen this above average production across the
Northeast."


Hopefully this goes a long way to explaining the increase in decreases this
year.


Marc Devokaitis




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> For the past 2 months the resident birds that I daily feed have dropped in
> population This is the first time this has happened and even those pesky
> squirrels have left I live in Cayuga Heights and my backyard is a bird
> friendly habitat
> Any thoughts would be appreciated
> Thanks
> Barbara Eden
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[cayugabirds-l] CBC field trip to Franklin Mountain Saturday

2017-10-25 Thread Gary Kohlenberg
Hi all,
On Saturday, the 28th, I will lead a field trip to the Franklin Mountain Hawk 
watch, in Franklin NY, near Oneonta. It is roughly a 2 hour drive. Meet at the 
East Hill parking lot, across from CTB (Collegetown Bagels), 329 Pine Tree Road 
at 7:30am. We will decide carpooling there for a return around 4:30.

Bring snacks, water etc. Even though the weather looks very good, min 60s, 
bring a warmer windproof jacket just in case. Scopes can be fun, but aren't as 
needed on hawk watching days. We will be standing mostly although there is a 
picnic table on the hill top. If you like to sit, bring a folding chair, I 
don't remember if there are any there.

Cheers,

Gary




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