[cayugabirds-l] Syracuse RBA

[Joseph Brin]

*  New York*  Syracuse   
   - November 06, 2017
*  NYSY  11.06.17 Hotline: Syracuse Rare bird AlertDates(s):October 30, 2017 - 
November 06, 2017to report by e-mail: brinjoseph AT yahoo.comcovering upstate 
NY counties: Cayuga, Montezuma National Wildlife Refugeand Montezuma Wetlands 
Complex (MWC) (just outside Cayuga County),Onondaga, Oswego, Lewis, Jefferson, 
Oneida, Herkimer,  Madison & Cortlandcompiled: November 06 AT 2:00 p.m. 
(EST)compiler: Joseph BrinOnondaga Audubon Homepage: www.onondagaaudubon.org  
Greetings: This is the Syracuse Rare Bird Alert for the week of October 30, 
2017.
Highlights--
GLOSSY/WHITE-FACED IBISCATTLE EGRETGREATER WHITE-FRONTED GOOSEEURASIAN 
WIGEONBLACK SCOTERGOLDEN EAGLESANDHILL CRANERED PHALAROPEPARASITIC 
JAEGERBLACK-LEGGED KITTYWAKEBLACK-CROWNED NIGHT-HERONSHORT-EARED OWLNORTHERN 
SHRIKECAVE SWALLOWCAPE MAY WARBLERLAPLAND LONGSPURRED CROSSBILL


Montezuma National Wildlife Complex (MNWC) and Montezuma Wetlands Complex (MWC)
     Shorebird species numbers were down to six this week.      10/31: One and 
sometimes two CATTLE EGRETS were seen at Wilgoose  Field on Rt.89. One was 
still being seen yesterday 11/5.      11/4: 13 GREATER WHITE-FRONTED GEESE were 
seen flying into Knox-Marsellus Marsh. An EURASIAN WIGEON was again seen in the 
Main Pool.     11/5: A GLOSSY/WHITE FACED IBIS was found on the north side of 
Armitage Road. ID had not been established yet.     11/6: A SHORT-EARED OWL was 
seen hunting in the early morning along Rt. 89 at Wilgoose Field.

Cayuga County
     11/1: A late CAPE MAY WARBLER was seen at West Barrier Beach at Fair 
Haven. A late RUBY-CROWNED KINGLET was see at Fair Haven State Park. 3 CAVE 
SWALLOWS were seen with numerous TREE SWALLOWS at Fair Haven State Park.     
11/4: 5 species of shorebirds inclucing late LESSER YELLOWLEGS were seen on 
flooded fields on Maiden Lane north of Port Byron. Most were seen again on 
11/6. A LAPLAND LONGSPUR was seen at Fair Haven State Park.

Onondaga County
     11/1: A WHITE-WINGED CROSSBILL was seen at Labrador Hollow Unique Area.    
 11/2: 5 juvenile BLACK-CROWNED NIGHT-HERONS were seen on the Creek Walk north 
of Hiawatha boulevard in Syracuse.     11/4: A CATTLE EGRET was seen along 
Brewerton Road near Mid State Machinery in Brewerton.     11/5: A BLACK SCOTER 
was seen at the south end on Onondaga Lake at the end of the Creek Walk. A 
NORTHERN SHRIKE was spotted in Caudenouy     11/6: A RED-THROATED LOON was seen 
on Beaver Lake.

Oswego County
     10/30: 2 RED PHALAROPES, 4 PARASITIC JAEGERS and 1 BLACK-LEGGED KITTYWAKE 
were seen at Derby Hill.     11/6: A LAUGHING GULL was spotted at Derby Hill.

Madison County
     10/30: NORTHERN SHRIKES were seen on Eden Hill Road and Irish Hill Road 
south of Cazenovia.     11/3: A CATTLE EGRET was seen on Borden Road north of 
Earlville.     11/4: A GOLDEN EAGLE was seen over Woodman Pond. 
     


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---Joseph BrinRegion 5 Baldwinsville, NY  13027  USA
  
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RE: [cayugabirds-l] Fwd: [LABIRD-L] Identification and Status of White-faced and Glossy ibises in southeastern LA

[Kevin J. McGowan]

My impression was that it was an immature bird. The bill was immaculate and the 
head and neck were heavily streaked/spotted. It had no indication of white 
lines on face. So, no easy ID. Van Remsen says not to try it in his post.

But, my sense from my (not enough) experience with these two species in the 
field and looking at images of non-breeding birds is that White-faced have 
paler faces that contrast more with the body than Glossy. A quick review of 
November-only photos in eBird Media Search Tool reinforced that impression. The 
background dark on the face of most spot/streaked-faced White-faced Ibises 
appeared to be brown, and a shade or two paler than the body, making the face 
contrast with the body and stand out. On most Glossies the background face 
color was dark and close to the body color, and the whole face did not appear 
to contrast.

The Armitage Road bird had a very strong contrasting face. I haven’t looked at 
my photos on the computer yet.

Kevin

From: bounce-122021942-3493...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-122021942-3493...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Dave Nutter
Sent: Monday, November 6, 2017 9:15 AM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L 
Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Fwd: [LABIRD-L] Identification and Status of 
White-faced and Glossy ibises in southeastern LA

Alicia Plotkin kindly forwarded this information about separating Glossy & 
White-faced Ibis. The first step is figuring out what age the bird is, so I’m 
looking for evidence about the Armitage Rd bird.
- - Dave Nutter


Begin forwarded message:
From: Alicia mailto:t...@fltg.net>>
Date: November 5, 2017 at 10:17:47 PM EST
To: Ann Mitchell mailto:annmitchel...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Fwd: Re: [LABIRD-L] Identification and Status of White-faced and 
Glossy ibises in southeastern LA
Saw your post on the ibis ID and thought you might be interested in this 
discussion that took place recently on the Louisiana bird list, where the 
ranges of the two ibises overlap.


 Forwarded Message 
Subject:

Re: [LABIRD-L] Identification and Status of White-faced and Glossy ibises in 
southeastern LA

Date:

Sat, 21 Oct 2017 14:03:21 -0500

From:

Steven W. Cardiff 

Reply-To:

Steven W. Cardiff 

To:

labir...@listserv.lsu.edu



Labirders-

 The only thing I would add is that adults in non-breeding plumage

retain the "reddish/chestnut" upper wing coverts (shoulder).  This is how

they can be distinguished from immatures.  So, if you are panning through a

flock during fall-winter, individuals with the chestnut upper wing patch

will be adults and should have their definitive iris and facial skin colors.



Steve Cardiff



On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 11:52 AM, James V Remsen 
 wrote:



> LABIRD:  Part 2:

>

> Here are the ID problems, as I understand them so far. Steve, Donna, and

> others please chime in to repair any damage below:

>

> ==

>

> JUVS: these are the brownish necked individuals with few if any streaks,

> often with pale blotches on the bill.  These are NOT identifiable to

> species as far as anyone knows and should always be reported as Plegadis

> sp. in SE LA (including Florida and River parishes). All of them have gray

> facial skins and dark eyes.

>

> ==

>

>  IMMS: In first basic plumage, the neck becomes streaked.  The facial skin

> is gray in both species.  The iris in White-faced at some point becomes

> red.  So, if you do see a streak-necked bird with a red eye, then it is

> WFIB, but a dark-eyed bird cannot be safely identified.  A real problem is

> that as White-faced matures, it can pass through a stage that looks very

> Glossy-like in still having dark eye and facial skin but having traces of

> white around face that can make it look like a Glossy.  For example, the

> following photos were found by Tony Leukering from CA and NV, where GLIB

> would be extremely unusual, so these are presumably WFIB:

>

>  California:  https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/70670231#_ga=2.29961980.

> 25890241.1507509707-334541348.1399337695

>  California:  https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/68874791#_ga=2.

> 265350860.25890241.1507509707-334541348.1399337695

>  California:  https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/34774341#_ga=2.59837166.

> 25890241.1507509707-334541348.1399337695

>  Nevada:  https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/69398871#_ga=2.

> 265350860.25890241.1507509707-334541348.1399337695

>

>

> An open question is how early WFIB begin to acquire a red iris.  We can

> all contribute to this by uploading photos to eBird.

>

> ==

>

>

> ADULTS in basic (non-breeding) plumage, i.e. streaked neck, lack of

> breeding colors around face (but wing coverts still glossy green etc:  the

> most reliable way to tell them apart is by iris color: red in WFIB, brown

> in GLIB.  The facial skin should also be pinkish in WFIB, gray in GLIB.

>

>  =

>

> Summary:  FIRST, put you

[cayugabirds-l] Fwd: [LABIRD-L] Identification and Status of White-faced and Glossy ibises in southeastern LA

[Dave Nutter]

Alicia Plotkin kindly forwarded this information about separating Glossy & 
White-faced Ibis. The first step is figuring out what age the bird is, so I’m 
looking for evidence about the Armitage Rd bird. 
- - Dave Nutter

> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Alicia 
>> Date: November 5, 2017 at 10:17:47 PM EST
>> To: Ann Mitchell 
>> Subject: Fwd: Re: [LABIRD-L] Identification and Status of White-faced and 
>> Glossy ibises in southeastern LA
>> 
>> Saw your post on the ibis ID and thought you might be interested in this 
>> discussion that took place recently on the Louisiana bird list, where the 
>> ranges of the two ibises overlap.
>> 
>> 
>>  Forwarded Message 
>> Subject: Re: [LABIRD-L] Identification and Status of White-faced and 
>> Glossy ibises in southeastern LA
>> Date:Sat, 21 Oct 2017 14:03:21 -0500
>> From:Steven W. Cardiff 
>> Reply-To:Steven W. Cardiff 
>> To:  labir...@listserv.lsu.edu
>> 
>> Labirders-
>>  The only thing I would add is that adults in non-breeding plumage
>> retain the "reddish/chestnut" upper wing coverts (shoulder).  This is how
>> they can be distinguished from immatures.  So, if you are panning through a
>> flock during fall-winter, individuals with the chestnut upper wing patch
>> will be adults and should have their definitive iris and facial skin colors.
>> 
>> Steve Cardiff
>> 
>> On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 11:52 AM, James V Remsen  wrote:
>> 
>> > LABIRD:  Part 2:
>> >
>> > Here are the ID problems, as I understand them so far. Steve, Donna, and
>> > others please chime in to repair any damage below:
>> >
>> > ==
>> >
>> > JUVS: these are the brownish necked individuals with few if any streaks,
>> > often with pale blotches on the bill.  These are NOT identifiable to
>> > species as far as anyone knows and should always be reported as Plegadis
>> > sp. in SE LA (including Florida and River parishes). All of them have gray
>> > facial skins and dark eyes.
>> >
>> > ==
>> >
>> >  IMMS: In first basic plumage, the neck becomes streaked.  The facial skin
>> > is gray in both species.  The iris in White-faced at some point becomes
>> > red.  So, if you do see a streak-necked bird with a red eye, then it is
>> > WFIB, but a dark-eyed bird cannot be safely identified.  A real problem is
>> > that as White-faced matures, it can pass through a stage that looks very
>> > Glossy-like in still having dark eye and facial skin but having traces of
>> > white around face that can make it look like a Glossy.  For example, the
>> > following photos were found by Tony Leukering from CA and NV, where GLIB
>> > would be extremely unusual, so these are presumably WFIB:
>> >
>> >  California:  https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/70670231#_ga=2.29961980.
>> > 25890241.1507509707-334541348.1399337695
>> >  California:  https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/68874791#_ga=2.
>> > 265350860.25890241.1507509707-334541348.1399337695
>> >  California:  https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/34774341#_ga=2.59837166.
>> > 25890241.1507509707-334541348.1399337695
>> >  Nevada:  https://macaulaylibrary.org/asset/69398871#_ga=2.
>> > 265350860.25890241.1507509707-334541348.1399337695
>> >
>> >
>> > An open question is how early WFIB begin to acquire a red iris.  We can
>> > all contribute to this by uploading photos to eBird.
>> >
>> > ==
>> >
>> >
>> > ADULTS in basic (non-breeding) plumage, i.e. streaked neck, lack of
>> > breeding colors around face (but wing coverts still glossy green etc:  the
>> > most reliable way to tell them apart is by iris color: red in WFIB, brown
>> > in GLIB.  The facial skin should also be pinkish in WFIB, gray in GLIB.
>> >
>> >  =
>> >
>> > Summary:  FIRST, put your bird into an age category and then ….
>> >
>> >
>> > 1.JUVS: cannot be identified to species and should always be listed as
>> > Plegadis sp. In SE LA.
>> > 2.IMMS: IF the iris is red, then it’s WFIB; otherwise, should always
>> > be listed as Plegadis sp. In SE LA.
>> > 3.ADS (non-breeding): If you can see iris color or facial skin, then
>> > you can ID them; otherwise, should always be listed as Plegadis sp. In SE
>> > LA.
>> >
>> >  I am skipping the topics of first alternate plumage and hybrids (which
>> > are not infrequent), but beware of birds with mixed or intermediate
>> > characters.
>> >
>> > I am going to hit the “reset button” for SELA Pleads, so all you eBirders
>> > should brace yourselves for a barrage of messages.
>> >
>> > ===
>> >
>> > Dr. J. V. Remsen
>> > Prof. of Natural Science and Curator of Birds
>> > Museum of Natural Science/Dept. Biological Sciences
>> > LSU, Baton Rouge, LA 70803
>> > najamesLSU.edu
>> >
>> > > On Oct 15, 2017, at 2:17 PM, James V Remsen  wrote:
>> > >
>> > > LABIRD:  It is clear from eBird data that observers are over-reporting
>> > Glossy Ibis in southeastern LA based on (1) assumption that most or all
>> > Plegadis there are Glossy, and (2) treating any Plegadis