Re: [cayugabirds-l] the four Black Vultures

[Donna Lee Scott]

Great interview re Christmas Bird Count , Paul!
Thanks for doing it.

Donna Scott
Lansing
Count region 9;
+ collecting feeder count #s Jan 1,
4 -6 PM, 254-2473
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On Dec 28, 2017, at 11:17 AM, Paul Anderson 
<p...@grammatech.com<mailto:p...@grammatech.com>> wrote:


If the Black Vultures hang around until tomorrow (Friday), they will be a new 
species for the Christmas Bird Count.

My interview about the count (recorded Tuesday) was aired on WCHU today: 
http://whcuradio.com/morning-newswatch/new-years-day-with-cayuga-bird-club/. In 
it I mentioned vultures. Before 2004 we had never recorded a Turkey Vulture, 
but they've been seen every year since but one. Vultures moving their winter 
range north appears to be a trend.

-Paul

On 12/28/2017 10:18 AM, AB Clark wrote:
I too went back through Bluewing as well as CBL, and repeat sightings of 2 BLVU 
in Broome followed the 7, as were sightings of 2 in Cayuga Basin, several times 
through March and early April.  Then I can find no sightings (although I didn’t 
check ebird) until late summer, when they started being seen around the Compost 
(1 and 2 at a time).

Wonder if some tracking through lists and eBird could suggest where a pair 
could have bred not far from the purview of both lists and within a day’s sail 
of the compost.   I COULD check the Breeding Bird Altas…if I weren’t going to 
sail down to Binghamton for a few hours.

anne

Anne B Clark
147 Hile School Rd
Freeville, NY 13068
607-222-0905
anneb.cl...@gmail.com<mailto:anneb.cl...@gmail.com>





On Dec 28, 2017, at 9:59 AM, David Nicosia 
<daven102...@gmail.com<mailto:daven102...@gmail.com>> wrote:

We had 7 Black Vultures in Vestal NY last spring just south of Binghamton which 
was a record high for Broome County. We also had another bird reported in the 
spring in Chenango Bridge NY.
I also heard from the Chemung Valley folks that they had 8 BVs this spring a 
new record for them as well. Who knows in 10 years they may be regular in 
central NY. TVs were rare at one point many decades ago and they have made a 
remarkable expansion north. It would be cool to see both regularly up here!

On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 9:33 PM, Kevin J. McGowan 
<k...@cornell.edu<mailto:k...@cornell.edu>> wrote:
Maybe. They do breed in the state and have become more common over the last few 
years.

Kevin





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Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] the four Black Vultures

Hi Kevin. Is the vultures' presence a sign of their creeping advance into the 
state?
Thanks.
Pete



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Date: 12/27/17 3:41 PM (GMT-05:00)
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Subject: [cayugabirds-l] the four Black Vultures


Yesterday I got a good look at the four Black Vultures that have been hanging 
around. They were sitting together on one of the compost piles at the Cornell 
facility on Stevenson Road. Two of the four had very black faces and feathers 
higher up on the back of the head, indicating that they are young birds hatched 
this year. The other two had gray, wrinkled faces of adults.



I saw both juveniles interact with an adult, pecking at each other’s bill in 
what looked like an “affectionate” way. (We use the term “affiliative behavior” 
for things like grooming and other positive interactions.) They may have done 
some brief allopreening, but I couldn’t tell for sure.



Black Vultures are known to have a complex social system where they associate 
and cooperate with kin. Young Black Vultures are known to hang out with their 
parents up until the next breeding season.



I suspect this group is a mated pair with two offspring. That would explain why 
we always see the four together.



Also present was the leucistic Turkey Vulture that has been seen off and on for 
a number of years.



I have photos at http://ebird.org/ebird/view/checklist/S41325840.



Kevin




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Re: [cayugabirds-l] the four Black Vultures

[Paul Anderson]

If the Black Vultures hang around until tomorrow (Friday), they will be 
a new species for the Christmas Bird Count.

My interview about the count (recorded Tuesday) was aired on WCHU today: 
http://whcuradio.com/morning-newswatch/new-years-day-with-cayuga-bird-club/. 
In it I mentioned vultures. Before 2004 we had never recorded a Turkey 
Vulture, but they've been seen every year since but one. Vultures moving 
their winter range north appears to be a trend.

-Paul


On 12/28/2017 10:18 AM, AB Clark wrote:
> I too went back through Bluewing as well as CBL, and repeat sightings 
> of 2 BLVU in Broome followed the 7, as were sightings of 2 in Cayuga 
> Basin, several times through March and early April.  Then I can find 
> no sightings (although I didn’t check ebird) until late summer, when 
> they started being seen around the Compost (1 and 2 at a time).
>
> Wonder if some tracking through lists and eBird could suggest where a 
> pair could have bred not far from the purview of both lists and within 
> a day’s sail of the compost. I COULD check the Breeding Bird Altas…if 
> I weren’t going to sail down to Binghamton for a few hours.
>
> anne
>
> Anne B Clark
> 147 Hile School Rd
> Freeville, NY 13068
> 607-222-0905
> anneb.cl...@gmail.com <mailto:anneb.cl...@gmail.com>
>
>
>
>
>
>> On Dec 28, 2017, at 9:59 AM, David Nicosia <daven102...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:daven102...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> We had 7 Black Vultures in Vestal NY last spring just south of 
>> Binghamton which was a record high for Broome County. We also had 
>> another bird reported in the spring in Chenango Bridge NY.
>> I also heard from the Chemung Valley folks that they had 8 BVs this 
>> spring a new record for them as well. Who knows in 10 years they may 
>> be regular in central NY. TVs were rare at one point many decades ago 
>> and they have made a remarkable expansion north. It would be cool to 
>> see both regularly up here!
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 9:33 PM, Kevin J. McGowan <k...@cornell.edu 
>> <mailto:k...@cornell.edu>> wrote:
>>
>> Maybe. They do breed in the state and have become more common
>> over the last few years.
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> *From:* bounce-122158375-3493...@list.cornell.edu
>> <mailto:bounce-122158375-3493...@list.cornell.edu>
>> <bounce-122158375-3493...@list.cornell.edu
>> <mailto:bounce-122158375-3493...@list.cornell.edu>> on behalf of
>> psaracin <psara...@rochester.rr.com
>> <mailto:psara...@rochester.rr.com>>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 27, 2017 5:24 PM
>> *To:* Kevin J. McGowan; CAYUGABIRDS-L
>> *Subject:* Re: [cayugabirds-l] the four Black Vultures
>> Hi Kevin. Is the vultures' presence a sign of their creeping
>> advance into the state?
>> Thanks.
>> Pete
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>
>>  Original message 
>> From: "Kevin J. McGowan" <k...@cornell.edu
>> <mailto:k...@cornell.edu>>
>> Date: 12/27/17 3:41 PM (GMT-05:00)
>> To: CAYUGABIRDS-L <cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu
>> <mailto:cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu>>
>> Subject: [cayugabirds-l] the four Black Vultures
>>
>> Yesterday I got a good look at the four Black Vultures that have
>> been hanging around. They were sitting together on one of the
>> compost piles at the Cornell facility on Stevenson Road. Two of
>> the four had very black faces and feathers higher up on the back
>> of the head, indicating that they are young birds hatched this
>> year. The other two had gray, wrinkled faces of adults.
>>
>>
>> I saw both juveniles interact with an adult, pecking at each
>> other’s bill in what looked like an “affectionate” way. (We use
>> the term “affiliative behavior” for things like grooming and
>> other positive interactions.) They may have done some brief
>> allopreening, but I couldn’t tell for sure.
>>
>>
>> Black Vultures are known to have a complex social system where
>> they associate and cooperate with kin. Young Black Vultures are
>> known to hang out with their parents up until the next breeding
>> season.
>>
>>
>> I suspect this group is a mated pair with two offspring. That
>> would explain why we always see the four together.
>>
>&

Re: [cayugabirds-l] the four Black Vultures

[AB Clark]

I too went back through Bluewing as well as CBL, and repeat sightings of 2 BLVU 
in Broome followed the 7, as were sightings of 2 in Cayuga Basin, several times 
through March and early April.  Then I can find no sightings (although I didn’t 
check ebird) until late summer, when they started being seen around the Compost 
(1 and 2 at a time). 

Wonder if some tracking through lists and eBird could suggest where a pair 
could have bred not far from the purview of both lists and within a day’s sail 
of the compost.   I COULD check the Breeding Bird Altas…if I weren’t going to 
sail down to Binghamton for a few hours.

anne

Anne B Clark
147 Hile School Rd
Freeville, NY 13068
607-222-0905
anneb.cl...@gmail.com





> On Dec 28, 2017, at 9:59 AM, David Nicosia <daven102...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> We had 7 Black Vultures in Vestal NY last spring just south of Binghamton 
> which was a record high for Broome County. We also had another bird reported 
> in the spring in Chenango Bridge NY. 
> I also heard from the Chemung Valley folks that they had 8 BVs this spring a 
> new record for them as well. Who knows in 10 years they may be regular in 
> central NY. TVs were rare at one point many decades ago and they have made a 
> remarkable expansion north. It would be cool to see both regularly up here!  
> 
> On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 9:33 PM, Kevin J. McGowan <k...@cornell.edu 
> <mailto:k...@cornell.edu>> wrote:
> Maybe. They do breed in the state and have become more common over the last 
> few years.
> 
> Kevin
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: bounce-122158375-3493...@list.cornell.edu 
> <mailto:bounce-122158375-3493...@list.cornell.edu> 
> <bounce-122158375-3493...@list.cornell.edu 
> <mailto:bounce-122158375-3493...@list.cornell.edu>> on behalf of psaracin 
> <psara...@rochester.rr.com <mailto:psara...@rochester.rr.com>>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2017 5:24 PM
> To: Kevin J. McGowan; CAYUGABIRDS-L
> Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] the four Black Vultures
>  
> Hi Kevin. Is the vultures' presence a sign of their creeping advance into the 
> state?
> Thanks.
> Pete
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> 
>  Original message 
> From: "Kevin J. McGowan" <k...@cornell.edu <mailto:k...@cornell.edu>>
> Date: 12/27/17 3:41 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: CAYUGABIRDS-L <cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu 
> <mailto:cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu>>
> Subject: [cayugabirds-l] the four Black Vultures
> 
> Yesterday I got a good look at the four Black Vultures that have been hanging 
> around. They were sitting together on one of the compost piles at the Cornell 
> facility on Stevenson Road. Two of the four had very black faces and feathers 
> higher up on the back of the head, indicating that they are young birds 
> hatched this year. The other two had gray, wrinkled faces of adults.
> 
>  
> I saw both juveniles interact with an adult, pecking at each other’s bill in 
> what looked like an “affectionate” way. (We use the term “affiliative 
> behavior” for things like grooming and other positive interactions.) They may 
> have done some brief allopreening, but I couldn’t tell for sure.
> 
>  
> Black Vultures are known to have a complex social system where they associate 
> and cooperate with kin. Young Black Vultures are known to hang out with their 
> parents up until the next breeding season.
> 
>  
> I suspect this group is a mated pair with two offspring. That would explain 
> why we always see the four together.
> 
>  
> Also present was the leucistic Turkey Vulture that has been seen off and on 
> for a number of years.
> 
>  
> I have photos at http://ebird.org/ebird/view/checklist/S41325840 
> <http://ebird.org/ebird/view/checklist/S41325840>.
> 
>  
> Kevin
> 
>  
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] the four Black Vultures

[David Nicosia]

We had 7 Black Vultures in Vestal NY last spring just south of Binghamton
which was a record high for Broome County. We also had another bird
reported in the spring in Chenango Bridge NY.
I also heard from the Chemung Valley folks that they had 8 BVs this spring
a new record for them as well. Who knows in 10 years they may be regular in
central NY. TVs were rare at one point many decades ago and they have made
a remarkable expansion north. It would be cool to see both regularly up
here!

On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 9:33 PM, Kevin J. McGowan <k...@cornell.edu> wrote:

> Maybe. They do breed in the state and have become more common over the
> last few years.
>
>
> Kevin
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> *From:* bounce-122158375-3493...@list.cornell.edu <
> bounce-122158375-3493...@list.cornell.edu> on behalf of psaracin <
> psara...@rochester.rr.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 27, 2017 5:24 PM
> *To:* Kevin J. McGowan; CAYUGABIRDS-L
> *Subject:* Re: [cayugabirds-l] the four Black Vultures
>
> Hi Kevin. Is the vultures' presence a sign of their creeping advance into
> the state?
> Thanks.
> Pete
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
>  Original message 
> From: "Kevin J. McGowan" <k...@cornell.edu>
> Date: 12/27/17 3:41 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: CAYUGABIRDS-L <cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu>
> Subject: [cayugabirds-l] the four Black Vultures
>
> Yesterday I got a good look at the four Black Vultures that have been
> hanging around. They were sitting together on one of the compost piles at
> the Cornell facility on Stevenson Road. Two of the four had very black
> faces and feathers higher up on the back of the head, indicating that they
> are young birds hatched this year. The other two had gray, wrinkled faces
> of adults.
>
>
>
> I saw both juveniles interact with an adult, pecking at each other’s bill
> in what looked like an “affectionate” way. (We use the term “affiliative
> behavior” for things like grooming and other positive interactions.) They
> may have done some brief allopreening, but I couldn’t tell for sure.
>
>
>
> Black Vultures are known to have a complex social system where they
> associate and cooperate with kin. Young Black Vultures are known to hang
> out with their parents up until the next breeding season.
>
>
>
> I suspect this group is a mated pair with two offspring. That would
> explain why we always see the four together.
>
>
>
> Also present was the leucistic Turkey Vulture that has been seen off and
> on for a number of years.
>
>
>
> I have photos at http://ebird.org/ebird/view/checklist/S41325840.
>
>
>
> Kevin
>
>
>
>
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] the four Black Vultures

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Maybe. They do breed in the state and have become more common over the last few 
years.


Kevin





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<bounce-122158375-3493...@list.cornell.edu> on behalf of psaracin 
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Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2017 5:24 PM
To: Kevin J. McGowan; CAYUGABIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] the four Black Vultures

Hi Kevin. Is the vultures' presence a sign of their creeping advance into the 
state?
Thanks.
Pete



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 Original message 
From: "Kevin J. McGowan" <k...@cornell.edu>
Date: 12/27/17 3:41 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L <cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu>
Subject: [cayugabirds-l] the four Black Vultures


Yesterday I got a good look at the four Black Vultures that have been hanging 
around. They were sitting together on one of the compost piles at the Cornell 
facility on Stevenson Road. Two of the four had very black faces and feathers 
higher up on the back of the head, indicating that they are young birds hatched 
this year. The other two had gray, wrinkled faces of adults.



I saw both juveniles interact with an adult, pecking at each other’s bill in 
what looked like an “affectionate” way. (We use the term “affiliative behavior” 
for things like grooming and other positive interactions.) They may have done 
some brief allopreening, but I couldn’t tell for sure.



Black Vultures are known to have a complex social system where they associate 
and cooperate with kin. Young Black Vultures are known to hang out with their 
parents up until the next breeding season.



I suspect this group is a mated pair with two offspring. That would explain why 
we always see the four together.



Also present was the leucistic Turkey Vulture that has been seen off and on for 
a number of years.



I have photos at http://ebird.org/ebird/view/checklist/S41325840.



Kevin




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Re: [cayugabirds-l] the four Black Vultures

[psaracin]

Hi Kevin. Is the vultures' presence a sign of their creeping advance into the 
state?Thanks.Pete


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message From: "Kevin J. McGowan" <k...@cornell.edu> 
Date: 12/27/17  3:41 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: CAYUGABIRDS-L 
<cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu> Subject: [cayugabirds-l] the four Black 
Vultures 


Yesterday I got a good look at the four Black Vultures that have been hanging 
around. They were sitting together on one of the compost piles at the Cornell 
facility on Stevenson Road. Two of the four had very black faces and feathers 
higher
 up on the back of the head, indicating that they are young birds hatched this 
year. The other two had gray, wrinkled faces of adults.
 
I saw both juveniles interact with an adult, pecking at each other’s bill in 
what looked like an “affectionate” way. (We use the term “affiliative behavior” 
for things like grooming and other positive interactions.) They may have done 
some
 brief allopreening, but I couldn’t tell for sure.
 
Black Vultures are known to have a complex social system where they associate 
and cooperate with kin. Young Black Vultures are known to hang out with their 
parents up until the next breeding season.
 
I suspect this group is a mated pair with two offspring. That would explain why 
we always see the four together.
 
Also present was the leucistic Turkey Vulture that has been seen off and on for 
a number of years.
 
I have photos at 
http://ebird.org/ebird/view/checklist/S41325840.
 
Kevin
 
 

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[cayugabirds-l] the four Black Vultures

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Yesterday I got a good look at the four Black Vultures that have been hanging 
around. They were sitting together on one of the compost piles at the Cornell 
facility on Stevenson Road. Two of the four had very black faces and feathers 
higher up on the back of the head, indicating that they are young birds hatched 
this year. The other two had gray, wrinkled faces of adults.

I saw both juveniles interact with an adult, pecking at each other's bill in 
what looked like an "affectionate" way. (We use the term "affiliative behavior" 
for things like grooming and other positive interactions.) They may have done 
some brief allopreening, but I couldn't tell for sure.

Black Vultures are known to have a complex social system where they associate 
and cooperate with kin. Young Black Vultures are known to hang out with their 
parents up until the next breeding season.

I suspect this group is a mated pair with two offspring. That would explain why 
we always see the four together.

Also present was the leucistic Turkey Vulture that has been seen off and on for 
a number of years.

I have photos at http://ebird.org/ebird/view/checklist/S41325840.

Kevin


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