RE: RE:[cayugabirds-l] Mob of crow (or is it called death of crow?)

2012-06-02 Thread Marty Schlabach 
Here are several lists of collective nouns for birds, the first appearing most 
comprehensive:

http://www.nzbirds.com/more/nouns.html

http://palomaraudubon.org/collective.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_collective_nouns_for_birds

Marty

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When crows get to chatting I always thought "Parliament of Cows" was more 
descriptive and it applies to Barred Owls also. There's a list of these 
alternate flock names somewhere that I'll try to find and post.
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RE:[cayugabirds-l] Mob of crow (or is it called death of crow?)

2012-06-02 Thread John and Sue Gregoire 
When crows get to chatting I always thought "Parliament of Cows" was more
descriptive and it applies to Barred Owls also. There's a list of these 
alternate
flock names somewhere that I'll try to find and post.
John
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Mob of crow (or is it called death of crow?)

2012-06-01 Thread Tom 
The "Twa Corbies":  where shall we go and dine today, oh?  Upon the battle 
field!

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 1, 2012, at 11:02 PM, Linda Post Van Buskirk  wrote:

> Anglo-Saxon poetry, often and not surprisingly about war, death, and mayhem, 
> associates ravens with battlefields.  While a raven is not a crow,  the 
> association of death (murder) with black carrion eaters is not too 
> far-fetched. 
> Linda
>  
> From: bounce-61034112-3493...@list.cornell.edu 
> [mailto:bounce-61034112-3493...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Anne Clark
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 3:49 PM
> To: Marie P Read
> Cc: Kevin J. McGowan; CAYUGABIRDS-L
> Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Mob of crow (or is it called death of crow?)
>  
> And the irony is the "murders" often form when (the crows fear that?) a crow 
> is threatened...  They don't go after prey in flocks; they group in response 
> to THEIR predators, immediate or potential.
>  
> Anne
>  
>  
>  
>  
> On Jun 1, 2012, at 3:35 PM, Marie P Read wrote:
> 
> 
>  Hm...
> 
> While I do love the old poetic terms for animal gatherings, I tend to agree 
> with Kevin. After all, many birds kill and eat other animals , so why crows 
> should be singled out as the only murderers in the bird world I don't know. 
> No-one seems to get bent out of shape when our noble Peregrine Falcon nails 
> some hapless shorebird. Or our charismatic Great Horned Owl nails a bunch of 
> baby Peregrines in their nest, come to think of it. How come THEY don't have 
> such nicknames.
> 
> Marie
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> 
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> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 2:43 PM
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> 
> It's a flock.  "Murder" is an insulting term, poetic or not.
> 
> Kevin
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> 
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> Meena wrote:
> 
> (or is it called death of crow?)
> 
> "Murder of crows" is the old poetic phrase.
> Perhaps there is some logic behind it.
> 
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RE: [cayugabirds-l] Mob of crow (or is it called death of crow?)

2012-06-01 Thread Linda Post Van Buskirk 
Anglo-Saxon poetry, often and not surprisingly about war, death, and mayhem, 
associates ravens with battlefields.  While a raven is not a crow,  the 
association of death (murder) with black carrion eaters is not too far-fetched.
Linda

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[mailto:bounce-61034112-3493...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Anne Clark
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 3:49 PM
To: Marie P Read
Cc: Kevin J. McGowan; CAYUGABIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Mob of crow (or is it called death of crow?)

And the irony is the "murders" often form when (the crows fear that?) a crow is 
threatened...  They don't go after prey in flocks; they group in response to 
THEIR predators, immediate or potential.

Anne




On Jun 1, 2012, at 3:35 PM, Marie P Read wrote:


 Hm...

While I do love the old poetic terms for animal gatherings, I tend to agree 
with Kevin. After all, many birds kill and eat other animals , so why crows 
should be singled out as the only murderers in the bird world I don't know. 
No-one seems to get bent out of shape when our noble Peregrine Falcon nails 
some hapless shorebird. Or our charismatic Great Horned Owl nails a bunch of 
baby Peregrines in their nest, come to think of it. How come THEY don't have 
such nicknames.

Marie



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It's a flock.  "Murder" is an insulting term, poetic or not.

Kevin



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Meena wrote:

(or is it called death of crow?)

"Murder of crows" is the old poetic phrase.
Perhaps there is some logic behind it.

John

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Mob of crow (or is it called death of crow?)

2012-06-01 Thread geokloppel 
One reason these odd collective nouns haven't been assigned to Peregrines or 
Great Horned Owls is just that those birds don't noticeably flock. Come to 
think of it, the connotations of "flock" are mostly unflattering too. 
Etymologically, a flock is a crowd of followers, whose collective behavior 
doesn't display individual initiative. Think of sheep, or rustic parishioners.

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Mob of crow (or is it called death of crow?)

2012-06-01 Thread Anne Clark 
And the irony is the "murders" often form when (the crows fear that?) a crow is 
threatened...  They don't go after prey in flocks; they group in response to 
THEIR predators, immediate or potential.

Anne




On Jun 1, 2012, at 3:35 PM, Marie P Read wrote:

>  Hm...
> 
> While I do love the old poetic terms for animal gatherings, I tend to agree 
> with Kevin. After all, many birds kill and eat other animals , so why crows 
> should be singled out as the only murderers in the bird world I don't know. 
> No-one seems to get bent out of shape when our noble Peregrine Falcon nails 
> some hapless shorebird. Or our charismatic Great Horned Owl nails a bunch of 
> baby Peregrines in their nest, come to think of it. How come THEY don't have 
> such nicknames.
> 
> Marie
> 
> 
> 
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> Freeville NY  13068 USA
> 
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> From: bounce-61033880-5851...@list.cornell.edu 
> [bounce-61033880-5851...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Kevin J. McGowan 
> [k...@cornell.edu]
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 2:43 PM
> To: CAYUGABIRDS-L
> Subject: RE: [cayugabirds-l] Mob of crow (or is it called death of crow?)
> 
> It's a flock.  "Murder" is an insulting term, poetic or not.
> 
> Kevin
> 
> 
> 
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> Meena wrote:
>> (or is it called death of crow?)
> 
> "Murder of crows" is the old poetic phrase.
> Perhaps there is some logic behind it.
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RE: [cayugabirds-l] Mob of crow (or is it called death of crow?)

2012-06-01 Thread Marie P Read 
 Hm...

While I do love the old poetic terms for animal gatherings, I tend to agree 
with Kevin. After all, many birds kill and eat other animals , so why crows 
should be singled out as the only murderers in the bird world I don't know. 
No-one seems to get bent out of shape when our noble Peregrine Falcon nails 
some hapless shorebird. Or our charismatic Great Horned Owl nails a bunch of 
baby Peregrines in their nest, come to think of it. How come THEY don't have 
such nicknames.

Marie



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[bounce-61033880-5851...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Kevin J. McGowan 
[k...@cornell.edu]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 2:43 PM
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Subject: RE: [cayugabirds-l] Mob of crow (or is it called death of crow?)

It's a flock.  "Murder" is an insulting term, poetic or not.

Kevin



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Meena wrote:
> (or is it called death of crow?)

"Murder of crows" is the old poetic phrase.
Perhaps there is some logic behind it.

John

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RE: [cayugabirds-l] Mob of crow (or is it called death of crow?)

2012-06-01 Thread Kevin J. McGowan 
It's a flock.  "Murder" is an insulting term, poetic or not.

Kevin



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Meena wrote:
> (or is it called death of crow?)

"Murder of crows" is the old poetic phrase.
Perhaps there is some logic behind it.

John

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RE: [cayugabirds-l] Mob of crow (or is it called death of crow?)

2012-06-01 Thread Meena Haribal 
Hi all, 
Thanks to all who wrote me back about "Murder of crows". Actually, I think we 
should call them "murderer crows" :-) Now I am curious to find out why is 
called " Murder of Crows"
Cheers
Meena 

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Meena wrote:
> (or is it called death of crow?)

"Murder of crows" is the old poetic phrase.
Perhaps there is some logic behind it.

John

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Mob of crow (or is it called death of crow?)

2012-06-01 Thread John Wobus 

Meena wrote:

(or is it called death of crow?)


"Murder of crows" is the old poetic phrase.
Perhaps there is some logic behind it.

John

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Mob of crow (or is it called death of crow?)

2012-06-01 Thread John Cancalosi 
I know this isn't Cayuga basin however: Yesterday, while in a Louisiana
swamp, I watched a couple of "blackbirds" harassing a black vulture. One of
the harassers actually alighted on the vulture's back and "vulture surfed"
for about 200 meters. Couldn't tell the species for sure from a distance
but lots of red-winged blackbirds and starlings around.  Thought someone
might be interested.

On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Meena Haribal  wrote:

>  I just watched a mob of crow, may be some forty + individuals.
> Initially, I thought they were chasing someone, but I could not see any
> targets. I checked if there was an owl, raven or a red-tail among them. But
> it did not seem like there were any.  They just seemed like bunch of rowdy
> bullies going door to door to get someone. There seemed to be no leader
> either. They all flew randomly.  Finally, they went behind the new Vet
> School diagnostic center and probably continued on to the plantations.
> Wonder what they were up to.
>
> Meena
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