Re: [cayugabirds-l] ... management proposals re: Mute Swan.

2014-01-26 Thread John and Sue Gregoire
Concur with Dave and Fritzie but I would be more sanguine if I knew that NYSDEC 
had
first investigated other attempts at controlling Mutes and built their program 
on
that knowledge. Rhode Island had what's best described as an infestation in the 
late
60s/early 70s. By 1976 they had a long term plan in place and were 
oiling/addling
eggs. I've never seen any results or other data on the project; have no idea if 
it
continued. Ditto for the Chesapeake Bay region which has a more recent problem 
with
Mutes. Coupled with Snow Geese, Mutes have eaten the eel grass and wild rice in 
Bay
feeder rivers to near extirpation.
John
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On Sat, January 25, 2014 21:59, John and Fritzie Blizzard wrote:
 I agree with Dave Nutter. I saw the petition. Wouldn't sign it. EVER.

 Remember that snow geese were more or less protected for yrs.. They are far 
 more
 wary than Canadas so the extra hunting season for them doesn't do much to 
 diminish
 their numbers. Now they are an absolute plague, esp. to rice farmers in the 
 south,
 to say nothing of the irreparable damage to the fragile Arctic tundra which 
 will not
 renew in the lifetime of our grandchildren if no snows ever return there. It 
 is
 there that many other waterbirds, perhaps in the millions, some on endangered 
 lists,
 return to breed  raise their young  hoping to find enough food  shelter 
 not
 eaten or destroyed by the snows.

 Hunters now have an extended season to take snows, until 15 April  ... the 
 bag limit
 is 25 a day with no possession limit. With over a million snows just in our 
 Atlantic
 flyway I see no hope of lowering their numbers which back about 20 yrs. ago 
 were a
 more manageable 50,000 birds.

 The mute swans are doing similar damage to ponds, lakes  waterways where 
 other
 creatures depend on what the mutes are destroying. Look at the map of NY  
 see the
 mute density areas. Other states are having the same big problems with mutes. 
 They
 don't have to be teased or aggravated to be mean  aggressive. Since they have
 killed grown men think what they can do to a child with those large, strong 
 wings as
 well as with their powerful bills. There is also concern now about what 
 diseases
 they are carrying that are harmful to other forms of wildlife.

 I, too, think they are beautiful, just as these petition pushers do. The 
 problem is
 that they are like the protectors of rattlesnakes. They have never considered 
 or
 encountered the bad side. My rant!

 Fritzie


 Dave Nutter wrote on 1/25/2014: I trust the managers on this one.

 On Jan 25, 2014, at 08:12 AM, Eric Banford brew_b...@yahoo.com wrote:

 So the plan is to eradicate the Mute Swan in NY? I know it is invasive, but 
 that
 seems a bit harsh. I just got this petition against this plan, in case anyone 
 is
 interested:


 
 https://www.change.org/petitions/new-york-state-department-of-environmental-conservation-stop-new-york-state-s-swan-killing-plan



 Thanks,
 Eric

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[cayugabirds-l] ... management proposals re: Mute Swan.

2014-01-25 Thread John and Fritzie Blizzard
I agree with Dave Nutter. I saw the petition. Wouldn't sign it. EVER.

Remember that snow geese were more or less protected for yrs.. They are far 
more wary than Canadas so the extra hunting season for them doesn't do much to 
diminish their numbers. Now they are an absolute plague, esp. to rice farmers 
in the south, to say nothing of the irreparable damage to the fragile Arctic 
tundra which will not renew in the lifetime of our grandchildren if no snows 
ever return there. It is there that many other waterbirds, perhaps in the 
millions, some on endangered lists, return to breed  raise their young  
hoping to find enough food  shelter not eaten or destroyed by the snows.

Hunters now have an extended season to take snows, until 15 April  ... the bag 
limit is 25 a day with no possession limit. With over a million snows just in 
our Atlantic flyway I see no hope of lowering their numbers which back about 20 
yrs. ago were a more manageable 50,000 birds. 

The mute swans are doing similar damage to ponds, lakes  waterways where other 
creatures depend on what the mutes are destroying. Look at the map of NY  see 
the mute density areas. Other states are having the same big problems with 
mutes. They don't have to be teased or aggravated to be mean  aggressive. 
Since they have killed grown men think what they can do to a child with those 
large, strong wings as well as with their powerful bills. There is also concern 
now about what diseases they are carrying that are harmful to other forms of 
wildlife.

I, too, think they are beautiful, just as these petition pushers do. The 
problem is that they are like the protectors of rattlesnakes. They have never 
considered or encountered the bad side. My rant!

Fritzie


Dave Nutter wrote on 1/25/2014: I trust the managers on this one. 

On Jan 25, 2014, at 08:12 AM, Eric Banford brew_b...@yahoo.com wrote:

So the plan is to eradicate the Mute Swan in NY? I know it is invasive, but 
that seems a bit harsh. I just got this petition against this plan, in case 
anyone is interested:



https://www.change.org/petitions/new-york-state-department-of-environmental-conservation-stop-new-york-state-s-swan-killing-plan



Thanks,
Eric

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