RE: [cayugabirds-l] [nysbirds-l] Interesting Bird?? Take Off on Radar this morning

[Nancy Jane Kern]

My first thought was also it had to be Santa. With his blur of deliveries he 
could do a job on our radar systems!

Nancy Kern



  
 


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My two cents, flocks of Santa sleighs returning northwards after a busy night.
On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Nancy Jane Kern  wrote:



I have been too busy this week to get my bird reports in, but the 
Valatie/Stuyvesant area had a dense murmuration of thousands of black 
birds with many European Starlings, Common Grackles, Brown-headed 
Cowbirds, and a few Red-winged Blackbirds in the past few days. These 
birds have been feeding on cornfields and soybean fields and perching in
 woods along these fields.

There have been some flocks of a few hundred Canada Geese, but I doubt these 
have been significant on radar.

Nancy Kern
Austerlitz, Columbia Co., NY




  
 


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Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] [nysbirds-l] Interesting Bird?? Take Off on Radar 
this morning
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 16:23:43 +






I'm guessing these are a liftoff echoes of Canada Geese from Kinderhook Lake in 
Niverville, Columbia County, NY. Depending upon liftoff angle and altitude, the 
reflectivity echo may be off slightly from actual location of liftoff.



Good birding and Happy Holidays!



Sincerely,
Chris T-H



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On Dec 25, 2015, at 10:59, David Nicosia  wrote:






That's a good point Ben. Plus why right at sunrise for geese??  We see this 
with swallows a lot which roost in marshes and take off in the morning to feed. 
Geese roost in the fields? I thought they fed in the fields. Interesting stuff 
nevertheless. 





On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Benjamin Van Doren 
 wrote:


Interesting. I could well be wrong, but I wouldn't typically think of geese 
departing farm fields as doing so relatively uniformly on a broad circular 
front. Some groundtruthing might be worthwhile...



Benjamin 




On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 10:20 AM David Nicosia  wrote:







thanks. I didn't think of geese. we often see swallows do this but it makes 
sense.





On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 8:25 AM, John Kent 
 wrote:




That is geese you're seeing. Large numbers of them roost in farm fields there 
at this time of year, and I have seen the same thing on radar in December 
before. It's probably mostly Canadas, but sometimes there are also lots of Snow 
Geese there.



John Kent
Selkirk, NY




On Dec 25, 2015, at 8:12 AM, David Nicosia  wrote:














All, 




I noticed on the Albany National Weather Service radar between 617 am and 654 
am Christmas morning a circular pattern on radar like swallow morning take off 
patterns we see in the late summer. This pattern was seen originating from 
Valtie, NY... 42.41N and
 73.68W (roughly). Below are 5 radar images that I grabbed which show this. 




 https://www.flickr.com/photos/davenicosia/albums/72157662199366610




The question is...are these radar echoes even birds or maybe insects?? And, if 
so, what specie of bird (if they are birds)? I would say probably starlings???  
They couldn't be tree swallows since they should be long gone.  Anyway, I have 
never seen this in
 the winter before.  Any thoughts on this please share. 




Merry Christmas to all 




David Nicosia 





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Re: [cayugabirds-l] [nysbirds-l] Interesting Bird?? Take Off on Radar this morning

[John Laver]

My two cents, flocks of Santa sleighs returning northwards after a busy
night.

On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Nancy Jane Kern 
wrote:

> I have been too busy this week to get my bird reports in, but the
> Valatie/Stuyvesant area had a dense murmuration of thousands of black birds
> with many European Starlings, Common Grackles, Brown-headed Cowbirds, and a
> few Red-winged Blackbirds in the past few days. These birds have been
> feeding on cornfields and soybean fields and perching in woods along these
> fields.
>
> There have been some flocks of a few hundred Canada Geese, but I doubt
> these have been significant on radar.
>
> Nancy Kern
> Austerlitz, Columbia Co., NY
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> To: daven102...@gmail.com
> CC: bmvando...@gmail.com; jwk...@fastmail.fm;
> cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu; nysbird...@list.cornell.edu
> Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] [nysbirds-l] Interesting Bird?? Take Off on
> Radar this morning
> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 16:23:43 +
>
>
> I'm guessing these are a liftoff echoes of Canada Geese from Kinderhook
> Lake in Niverville, Columbia County, NY. Depending upon liftoff angle and
> altitude, the reflectivity echo may be off slightly from actual location of
> liftoff.
>
> Good birding and Happy Holidays!
>
> Sincerely,
> Chris T-H
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Dec 25, 2015, at 10:59, David Nicosia  wrote:
>
> That's a good point Ben. Plus why right at sunrise for geese??  We see
> this with swallows a lot which roost in marshes and take off in the morning
> to feed. Geese roost in the fields? I thought they fed in the fields.
> Interesting stuff nevertheless.
>
> On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Benjamin Van Doren  > wrote:
>
> Interesting. I could well be wrong, but I wouldn't typically think of
> geese departing farm fields as doing so relatively uniformly on a broad
> circular front. Some groundtruthing might be worthwhile...
>
> Benjamin
> On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 10:20 AM David Nicosia 
> wrote:
>
> thanks. I didn't think of geese. we often see swallows do this but it
> makes sense.
>
> On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 8:25 AM, John Kent  wrote:
>
> That is geese you're seeing. Large numbers of them roost in farm fields
> there at this time of year, and I have seen the same thing on radar in
> December before. It's probably mostly Canadas, but sometimes there are also
> lots of Snow Geese there.
>
> John Kent
> Selkirk, NY
>
> On Dec 25, 2015, at 8:12 AM, David Nicosia  wrote:
>
> All,
>
> I noticed on the Albany National Weather Service radar between 617 am and
> 654 am Christmas morning a circular pattern on radar like swallow morning
> take off patterns we see in the late summer. This pattern was seen
> originating from Valtie, NY... 42.41N and 73.68W (roughly). Below are 5
> radar images that I grabbed which show this.
>
>  https://www.flickr.com/photos/davenicosia/albums/72157662199366610
>
> The question is...are these radar echoes even birds or maybe insects??
> And, if so, what specie of bird (if they are birds)? I would say probably
> starlings???  They couldn't be tree swallows since they should be long
> gone.  Anyway, I have never seen this in the winter before.  Any thoughts
> on this please share.
>
> Merry Christmas to all
>
> David Nicosia
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RE: [cayugabirds-l] [nysbirds-l] Interesting Bird?? Take Off on Radar this morning

[Nancy Jane Kern]

I have been too busy this week to get my bird reports in, but the 
Valatie/Stuyvesant area had a dense murmuration of thousands of black 
birds with many European Starlings, Common Grackles, Brown-headed 
Cowbirds, and a few Red-winged Blackbirds in the past few days. These 
birds have been feeding on cornfields and soybean fields and perching in
 woods along these fields.

There have been some flocks of a few hundred Canada Geese, but I doubt these 
have been significant on radar.

Nancy Kern
Austerlitz, Columbia Co., NY




  
 


From: c...@cornell.edu
To: daven102...@gmail.com
CC: bmvando...@gmail.com; jwk...@fastmail.fm; cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu; 
nysbird...@list.cornell.edu
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] [nysbirds-l] Interesting Bird?? Take Off on Radar 
this morning
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 16:23:43 +






I'm guessing these are a liftoff echoes of Canada Geese from Kinderhook Lake in 
Niverville, Columbia County, NY. Depending upon liftoff angle and altitude, the 
reflectivity echo may be off slightly from actual location of liftoff.



Good birding and Happy Holidays!



Sincerely,
Chris T-H



Sent from my iPhone









On Dec 25, 2015, at 10:59, David Nicosia  wrote:






That's a good point Ben. Plus why right at sunrise for geese??  We see this 
with swallows a lot which roost in marshes and take off in the morning to feed. 
Geese roost in the fields? I thought they fed in the fields. Interesting stuff 
nevertheless. 





On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Benjamin Van Doren 
 wrote:


Interesting. I could well be wrong, but I wouldn't typically think of geese 
departing farm fields as doing so relatively uniformly on a broad circular 
front. Some groundtruthing might be worthwhile...



Benjamin 




On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 10:20 AM David Nicosia  wrote:







thanks. I didn't think of geese. we often see swallows do this but it makes 
sense.





On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 8:25 AM, John Kent 
 wrote:




That is geese you're seeing. Large numbers of them roost in farm fields there 
at this time of year, and I have seen the same thing on radar in December 
before. It's probably mostly Canadas, but sometimes there are also lots of Snow 
Geese there.



John Kent
Selkirk, NY




On Dec 25, 2015, at 8:12 AM, David Nicosia  wrote:














All, 




I noticed on the Albany National Weather Service radar between 617 am and 654 
am Christmas morning a circular pattern on radar like swallow morning take off 
patterns we see in the late summer. This pattern was seen originating from 
Valtie, NY... 42.41N and
 73.68W (roughly). Below are 5 radar images that I grabbed which show this. 




 https://www.flickr.com/photos/davenicosia/albums/72157662199366610




The question is...are these radar echoes even birds or maybe insects?? And, if 
so, what specie of bird (if they are birds)? I would say probably starlings???  
They couldn't be tree swallows since they should be long gone.  Anyway, I have 
never seen this in
 the winter before.  Any thoughts on this please share. 




Merry Christmas to all 




David Nicosia 





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Re: [cayugabirds-l] [nysbirds-l] Interesting Bird?? Take Off on Radar this morning

[Geo Kloppel]

That location looks pretty close to Kinderhook Lake. If geese aren't actually 
on the water at night, there's also a big marsh along the Valatie Kill, and a 
complex of athletic fields on the west side of town...

Alternatively, how about a crow roost?

-Geo

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> On Dec 25, 2015, at 10:58 AM, David Nicosia  wrote:
> 
> That's a good point Ben. Plus why right at sunrise for geese??  We see this 
> with swallows a lot which roost in marshes and take off in the morning to 
> feed. Geese roost in the fields? I thought they fed in the fields. 
> Interesting stuff nevertheless.  
> 
>> On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Benjamin Van Doren  
>> wrote:
>> Interesting. I could well be wrong, but I wouldn't typically think of geese 
>> departing farm fields as doing so relatively uniformly on a broad circular 
>> front. Some groundtruthing might be worthwhile...
>> 
>> Benjamin 
>>> On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 10:20 AM David Nicosia  
>>> wrote:
>>> thanks. I didn't think of geese. we often see swallows do this but it makes 
>>> sense. 
>>> 
 On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 8:25 AM, John Kent  wrote:
 That is geese you're seeing. Large numbers of them roost in farm fields 
 there at this time of year, and I have seen the same thing on radar in 
 December before. It's probably mostly Canadas, but sometimes there are 
 also lots of Snow Geese there.
 
 John Kent
 Selkirk, NY
 
> On Dec 25, 2015, at 8:12 AM, David Nicosia  wrote:
> 
> All, 
> 
> I noticed on the Albany National Weather Service radar between 617 am and 
> 654 am Christmas morning a circular pattern on radar like swallow morning 
> take off patterns we see in the late summer. This pattern was seen 
> originating from Valtie, NY... 42.41N and 73.68W (roughly). Below are 5 
> radar images that I grabbed which show this. 
> 
>  https://www.flickr.com/photos/davenicosia/albums/72157662199366610
> 
> The question is...are these radar echoes even birds or maybe insects?? 
> And, if so, what specie of bird (if they are birds)? I would say probably 
> starlings???  They couldn't be tree swallows since they should be long 
> gone.  Anyway, I have never seen this in the winter before.  Any thoughts 
> on this please share. 
> 
> Merry Christmas to all 
> 
> David Nicosia 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] [nysbirds-l] Interesting Bird?? Take Off on Radar this morning

[Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes]

I'm guessing these are a liftoff echoes of Canada Geese from Kinderhook Lake in 
Niverville, Columbia County, NY. Depending upon liftoff angle and altitude, the 
reflectivity echo may be off slightly from actual location of liftoff.

Good birding and Happy Holidays!

Sincerely,
Chris T-H

Sent from my iPhone



On Dec 25, 2015, at 10:59, David Nicosia 
mailto:daven102...@gmail.com>> wrote:

That's a good point Ben. Plus why right at sunrise for geese??  We see this 
with swallows a lot which roost in marshes and take off in the morning to feed. 
Geese roost in the fields? I thought they fed in the fields. Interesting stuff 
nevertheless.

On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Benjamin Van Doren 
mailto:bmvando...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Interesting. I could well be wrong, but I wouldn't typically think of geese 
departing farm fields as doing so relatively uniformly on a broad circular 
front. Some groundtruthing might be worthwhile...

Benjamin
On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 10:20 AM David Nicosia 
mailto:daven102...@gmail.com>> wrote:
thanks. I didn't think of geese. we often see swallows do this but it makes 
sense.

On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 8:25 AM, John Kent 
mailto:jwk...@fastmail.fm>> wrote:
That is geese you're seeing. Large numbers of them roost in farm fields there 
at this time of year, and I have seen the same thing on radar in December 
before. It's probably mostly Canadas, but sometimes there are also lots of Snow 
Geese there.

John Kent
Selkirk, NY

On Dec 25, 2015, at 8:12 AM, David Nicosia 
mailto:daven102...@gmail.com>> wrote:

All,

I noticed on the Albany National Weather Service radar between 617 am and 654 
am Christmas morning a circular pattern on radar like swallow morning take off 
patterns we see in the late summer. This pattern was seen originating from 
Valtie, NY... 42.41N and 73.68W (roughly). Below are 5 radar images that I 
grabbed which show this.

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/davenicosia/albums/72157662199366610

The question is...are these radar echoes even birds or maybe insects?? And, if 
so, what specie of bird (if they are birds)? I would say probably starlings???  
They couldn't be tree swallows since they should be long gone.  Anyway, I have 
never seen this in the winter before.  Any thoughts on this please share.

Merry Christmas to all

David Nicosia
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