Re:[cayugabirds-l] Dead Birds Mulberry Tree
Hi Bob, I have lived with Mulberries (both red and white varieties) in my yard at several points in my life and never seen anything like this. I have often eaten them myself. I have seen birds eating Mulberries to no ill effect, and I have seen birds intoxicated from Mulberries, as well as Cherries that have fallen and fermented. I do wonder whether the roots of this tree have tapped into something toxic/lethal to birds, but not toxic to plants, and that it has been passed to the fruit. Is it possible that there was any kind of dumping in the area before your friend lived there? While I know this statement will seem obvious, I'm going to say it anyway, no one should be eating berries from those particular trees unless the fruit has been tested for toxic chemicals etc... Bill Baker - This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [cayugabirds-l] Dead Birds - Mulberry Tree
The unripe fruits and the milky sap of several mulberry species are mildly toxic, and can cause hallucinations and stomach upset. http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/consumer/poison/Morusal.htm -Geo On Jun 23, 2011, at 4:01 PM, bob mcguire wrote: I just had lunch with a friend who has two mulberry trees on his property. This year, shortly after the fruits began to appear (whitish-green when unripe, going to reddish-black when ripe), he began to find dead birds under the trees: 5 Starlings, 2 male Baltimore Orioles, 1 Gray Catbird so far. There is a strong correlation (timewise) between fruiting and the deaths. Is anyone familiar with this phenomenon? Bob McGuire -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/ CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Geo Kloppel Bowmaker Restorer 227 Tupper Road Spencer NY 14883 607 564 7026 g...@cornell.edu geoklop...@gmail.com -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [cayugabirds-l] Dead Birds - Mulberry Tree
Yes Joe, we've heard that. But death?? On Jun 23, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Geo Kloppel wrote: The unripe fruits and the milky sap of several mulberry species are mildly toxic, and can cause hallucinations and stomach upset. http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/consumer/poison/Morusal.htm -Geo On Jun 23, 2011, at 4:01 PM, bob mcguire wrote: I just had lunch with a friend who has two mulberry trees on his property. This year, shortly after the fruits began to appear (whitish-green when unripe, going to reddish-black when ripe), he began to find dead birds under the trees: 5 Starlings, 2 male Baltimore Orioles, 1 Gray Catbird so far. There is a strong correlation (timewise) between fruiting and the deaths. Is anyone familiar with this phenomenon? Bob McGuire -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/ maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Geo Kloppel Bowmaker Restorer 227 Tupper Road Spencer NY 14883 607 564 7026 g...@cornell.edu geoklop...@gmail.com -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [cayugabirds-l] Dead Birds - Mulberry Tree
Perhaps the fruiting mulberry trees are only luring birds into the vicinity of something else that's deadly. Windows? -Geo On Jun 23, 2011, at 5:21 PM, bob mcguire wrote: Yes Joe, we've heard that. But death?? On Jun 23, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Geo Kloppel wrote: The unripe fruits and the milky sap of several mulberry species are mildly toxic, and can cause hallucinations and stomach upset. http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/consumer/poison/Morusal.htm -Geo On Jun 23, 2011, at 4:01 PM, bob mcguire wrote: I just had lunch with a friend who has two mulberry trees on his property. This year, shortly after the fruits began to appear (whitish-green when unripe, going to reddish-black when ripe), he began to find dead birds under the trees: 5 Starlings, 2 male Baltimore Orioles, 1 Gray Catbird so far. There is a strong correlation (timewise) between fruiting and the deaths. Is anyone familiar with this phenomenon? Bob McGuire -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/ CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/ maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Geo Kloppel Bowmaker Restorer 227 Tupper Road Spencer NY 14883 607 564 7026 g...@cornell.edu geoklop...@gmail.com -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/ CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/ maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Geo Kloppel Bowmaker Restorer 227 Tupper Road Spencer NY 14883 607 564 7026 g...@cornell.edu geoklop...@gmail.com -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [cayugabirds-l] Dead Birds - Mulberry Tree
Nope. No windows within 200 ft. And the dead birds were all UNDER the trees. Bob On Jun 23, 2011, at 6:35 PM, Geo Kloppel wrote: Perhaps the fruiting mulberry trees are only luring birds into the vicinity of something else that's deadly. Windows? -Geo On Jun 23, 2011, at 5:21 PM, bob mcguire wrote: Yes Joe, we've heard that. But death?? On Jun 23, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Geo Kloppel wrote: The unripe fruits and the milky sap of several mulberry species are mildly toxic, and can cause hallucinations and stomach upset. http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/consumer/poison/Morusal.htm -Geo On Jun 23, 2011, at 4:01 PM, bob mcguire wrote: I just had lunch with a friend who has two mulberry trees on his property. This year, shortly after the fruits began to appear (whitish-green when unripe, going to reddish-black when ripe), he began to find dead birds under the trees: 5 Starlings, 2 male Baltimore Orioles, 1 Gray Catbird so far. There is a strong correlation (timewise) between fruiting and the deaths. Is anyone familiar with this phenomenon? Bob McGuire -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Geo Kloppel Bowmaker Restorer 227 Tupper Road Spencer NY 14883 607 564 7026 g...@cornell.edu geoklop...@gmail.com -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Geo Kloppel Bowmaker Restorer 227 Tupper Road Spencer NY 14883 607 564 7026 g...@cornell.edu geoklop...@gmail.com -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [cayugabirds-l] Dead Birds - Mulberry Tree
A couple of thoughts: Alcohol poisoning. With the recent very hot spell, coinciding with sugar development in the berries, fermentation is a good liklihood. The link posted by Geo refers to mild toxicity. However, that is directed at us for human consumption. Birds have a lower threshold for most toxins. Perhaps the combination of the previous two possibilities led to over consumption due to corrupted judgment on the birds part. Are deer prevalent there and is there a possibility of e. coli? Are birds susceptible to that? Have specimens been collected for a toxicology analysis by the lab? If not maybe that could be done - with caution exercised by anyone doing it. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 4:01 PM, bob mcguire bmcgu...@clarityconnect.comwrote: I just had lunch with a friend who has two mulberry trees on his property. This year, shortly after the fruits began to appear (whitish-green when unripe, going to reddish-black when ripe), he began to find dead birds under the trees: 5 Starlings, 2 male Baltimore Orioles, 1 Gray Catbird so far. There is a strong correlation (timewise) between fruiting and the deaths. Is anyone familiar with this phenomenon? Bob McGuire -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.**com/CayugabirdsWELCOMEhttp://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.**com/CayugabirdsRULEShttp://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.**com/**CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurat** ionLeave.htmhttp://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/**cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/**maillist.htmlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/**birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirdshttp://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/**mailinglists/CAYU.htmlhttp://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/**ebird/ http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- -- asher -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [cayugabirds-l] Dead Birds - Mulberry Tree
Well, if the deaths continue without explanation, there's always DEC's Wildlife Pathology Unit: http://www.dec.ny.gov/animals/6957.html#port -Geo On Jun 23, 2011, at 6:58 PM, bob mcguire wrote: Nope. No windows within 200 ft. And the dead birds were all UNDER the trees. Bob On Jun 23, 2011, at 6:35 PM, Geo Kloppel wrote: Perhaps the fruiting mulberry trees are only luring birds into the vicinity of something else that's deadly. Windows? -Geo On Jun 23, 2011, at 5:21 PM, bob mcguire wrote: Yes Joe, we've heard that. But death?? On Jun 23, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Geo Kloppel wrote: The unripe fruits and the milky sap of several mulberry species are mildly toxic, and can cause hallucinations and stomach upset. http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/consumer/poison/Morusal.htm -Geo On Jun 23, 2011, at 4:01 PM, bob mcguire wrote: I just had lunch with a friend who has two mulberry trees on his property. This year, shortly after the fruits began to appear (whitish-green when unripe, going to reddish-black when ripe), he began to find dead birds under the trees: 5 Starlings, 2 male Baltimore Orioles, 1 Gray Catbird so far. There is a strong correlation (timewise) between fruiting and the deaths. Is anyone familiar with this phenomenon? Bob McGuire -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
RE: [cayugabirds-l] Dead Birds - Mulberry Tree
Were the birds really dead or in coma? There is a variety of red geranium when Japanese Beetle feed on them the get intoxicated and fall down to ground. But after few hours they are awake and alive. But then they again go for the same flowers and fall down again. I don't know how long they keep doing this. But I was trying to isolate the active component in collaboration with someone in Kentucky, but we did not get funded. Meena Meena Haribal Boyce Thompson Institute Ithaca NY 14850 Phone 607-254-1258 http://meenaharibal.blogspot.com/ http://haribal.org/ http://haribal.wikispaces.com/space/showimage/wildwest+trip+August+2007+.pdf -Original Message- From: bounce-37737035-3493...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-37737035-3493...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Geo Kloppel Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 7:25 PM To: CAYUGABIRDS-L Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Dead Birds - Mulberry Tree Well, if the deaths continue without explanation, there's always DEC's Wildlife Pathology Unit: http://www.dec.ny.gov/animals/6957.html#port -Geo On Jun 23, 2011, at 6:58 PM, bob mcguire wrote: Nope. No windows within 200 ft. And the dead birds were all UNDER the trees. Bob On Jun 23, 2011, at 6:35 PM, Geo Kloppel wrote: Perhaps the fruiting mulberry trees are only luring birds into the vicinity of something else that's deadly. Windows? -Geo On Jun 23, 2011, at 5:21 PM, bob mcguire wrote: Yes Joe, we've heard that. But death?? On Jun 23, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Geo Kloppel wrote: The unripe fruits and the milky sap of several mulberry species are mildly toxic, and can cause hallucinations and stomach upset. http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/consumer/poison/Morusal.htm -Geo On Jun 23, 2011, at 4:01 PM, bob mcguire wrote: I just had lunch with a friend who has two mulberry trees on his property. This year, shortly after the fruits began to appear (whitish-green when unripe, going to reddish-black when ripe), he began to find dead birds under the trees: 5 Starlings, 2 male Baltimore Orioles, 1 Gray Catbird so far. There is a strong correlation (timewise) between fruiting and the deaths. Is anyone familiar with this phenomenon? Bob McGuire -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [cayugabirds-l] Dead Birds - Mulberry Tree
Dead. On Jun 23, 2011, at 7:51 PM, Meena Haribal wrote: Were the birds really dead or in coma? There is a variety of red geranium when Japanese Beetle feed on them the get intoxicated and fall down to ground. But after few hours they are awake and alive. But then they again go for the same flowers and fall down again. I don't know how long they keep doing this. But I was trying to isolate the active component in collaboration with someone in Kentucky, but we did not get funded. Meena Meena Haribal Boyce Thompson Institute Ithaca NY 14850 Phone 607-254-1258 http://meenaharibal.blogspot.com/ http://haribal.org/ http://haribal.wikispaces.com/space/showimage/wildwest+trip+August+2007+.pdf -Original Message- From: bounce-37737035-3493...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-37737035-3493...@list.cornell.edu ] On Behalf Of Geo Kloppel Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 7:25 PM To: CAYUGABIRDS-L Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Dead Birds - Mulberry Tree Well, if the deaths continue without explanation, there's always DEC's Wildlife Pathology Unit: http://www.dec.ny.gov/animals/6957.html#port -Geo On Jun 23, 2011, at 6:58 PM, bob mcguire wrote: Nope. No windows within 200 ft. And the dead birds were all UNDER the trees. Bob On Jun 23, 2011, at 6:35 PM, Geo Kloppel wrote: Perhaps the fruiting mulberry trees are only luring birds into the vicinity of something else that's deadly. Windows? -Geo On Jun 23, 2011, at 5:21 PM, bob mcguire wrote: Yes Joe, we've heard that. But death?? On Jun 23, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Geo Kloppel wrote: The unripe fruits and the milky sap of several mulberry species are mildly toxic, and can cause hallucinations and stomach upset. http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/consumer/poison/Morusal.htm -Geo On Jun 23, 2011, at 4:01 PM, bob mcguire wrote: I just had lunch with a friend who has two mulberry trees on his property. This year, shortly after the fruits began to appear (whitish-green when unripe, going to reddish-black when ripe), he began to find dead birds under the trees: 5 Starlings, 2 male Baltimore Orioles, 1 Gray Catbird so far. There is a strong correlation (timewise) between fruiting and the deaths. Is anyone familiar with this phenomenon? Bob McGuire -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
