Re:[cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the game farm?
The plastic blinders are used to prevent the pecking and cannibalism that occurs when raising large, captive flocks of game birds. Thanks, Linda and Jody, for clarifying that the pheasants at the Reynold's Game Farm are *not* released with blinders on. I side with Linda and disagree with the idea of raising these birds for the sole purpose of hunting, but that issue is for another day, another forum. Candace On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Candace Cornell wrote: > This may be a naive question, but why don’t the large number of Red-tailed > Hawks (15-60+), which keep vigil at the Ring-necked Pheasant pens on Game > Farm Road in Ithaca, decimate the pheasant population? According to the > BNA, Ring-necked Pheasant is one of their preferred foods and I've seen > them eating what looks pheasant entrails within the pens. > > Candace Cornell > > > -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the game farm?
> I am referring to intentional release. They would not be able to remove all > those plastic "eyeglasses" that are threaded through their nostrils from all > the birds. It would be impractical. At least that is the info that was > provided last year when someone posted a picture of a dead one she had found. > I was quite amazed and appalled when I heard this. Talk about "sitting > ducks". > > I would welcome corrections on this if I am mistaken. > > Thanks Candace for stimulating thought and discussion. > > Linda > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 3, 2011, at 6:24 PM, Candace Cornell wrote: > >> Thank you all for your replies to my question! >> >> >> >> I made an error in my initial email. Ring-necked Pheasants (RNEP) are one of >> many food sources for RTHA and not a preferred food. >> >> >> >> Per Tim: “Like sitting ducks” is the metaphor I use when I'm at the Game >> Farm. >> >> >> >> John Confer brought up a good point. Since opportunistic GHOW will feed on >> RNEP, I imagine they must also take advantage of the high concentration of >> rodents and captive RNEP at the Game Farm. >> >> >> >> Linda: The Game Farm doesn’t intentionally release the RNEP with the >> blinders on, do they? Are you referring to escapees? >> >> >> >> >> At 13:30 today (clear, calm, 23 degrees F) there were about 16 RTHA >> pen-sitting with at least 23 more in near by trees. A BALD EAGLE was soaring >> over the fields west of Game Farm Road/south of McGowan Woods. >> >> >> >> Good Birding, Folks! >> >> Candace >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Candace Cornell wrote: >> This may be a naive question, but why don’t the large number of Red-tailed >> Hawks (15-60+), which keep vigil at the Ring-necked Pheasant pens on Game >> Farm Road in Ithaca, decimate the pheasant population? According to the BNA, >> Ring-necked Pheasant is one of their preferred foods and I've seen them >> eating what looks pheasant entrails within the pens. >> >> >> Candace Cornell >> >> >> -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re:[cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the game farm?
Thank you all for your replies to my question! I made an error in my initial email. Ring-necked Pheasants (RNEP) are *one of many* food sources for RTHA and not a *preferred *food. Per Tim: “Like sitting ducks” is the metaphor I use when I'm at the Game Farm. John Confer brought up a good point. Since opportunistic GHOW will feed on RNEP, I imagine they must also take advantage of the high concentration of rodents and captive RNEP at the Game Farm. Linda: The Game Farm doesn’t intentionally release the RNEP with the blinders on, do they? Are you referring to escapees? At 13:30 today (clear, calm, 23 degrees F) there were about 16 RTHA pen-sitting with at least 23 more in near by trees. A BALD EAGLE was soaring over the fields west of Game Farm Road/south of McGowan Woods. Good Birding, Folks! Candace On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Candace Cornell wrote: > This may be a naive question, but why don’t the large number of Red-tailed > Hawks (15-60+), which keep vigil at the Ring-necked Pheasant pens on Game > Farm Road in Ithaca, decimate the pheasant population? According to the > BNA, Ring-necked Pheasant is one of their preferred foods and I've seen > them eating what looks pheasant entrails within the pens. > > Candace Cornell > > > -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
RE: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the game farm?
My son informs me that I have seen hawks eating mammals there, and even have a photo. If I ever remember and find it, I will post it along with one of a hawk on a pheasant (I have a couple gory ones of those). I do vaguely remember saying that I had proof of them eating both. Kevin -Original Message- From: bounce-8672622-3493...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-8672622-3493...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Kevin J. McGowan Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 4:40 PM To: cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu Subject: RE: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the game farm? I don't think I've ever seen one of those hawks with a mouse or rat. Lots of pheasants, though. Kevin -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the game farm?
I just want to add this, which may cause more controversy or be disapproved > by Chris, but I have heard there is close to a 99% mortality rate within a > month for these pheasants when they are released and those blinders are not > removed (at least according to list serve info from last year) and I can't > imagine a one of us that would want to live in their circumstances, out in > all weather, with blinders on, in incredibly close quarters and being > "stalked" by around 60 hungry RTH who have been suffering themselves with > snow covered fields for two months. > > But I will choose to take John Confer's perspective for now and be glad > that the RTH can find some sustenance. > > Linda > > > On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Kevin J. McGowan wrote: > >> I don't think I've ever seen one of those hawks with a mouse or rat. Lots >> of pheasants, though. >> >> Kevin >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: bounce-8672579-3493...@list.cornell.edu [mailto: >> bounce-8672579-3493...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Tim Gallagher >> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 4:29 PM >> To: cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu >> Subject: RE: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the >> game farm? >> >> True. I know those birds catch a lot of mice, etc., that are attracted >> there by the grain. And Cooper's Hawks catch pigeons, starlings, and House >> Sparrows there, which are also attracted by the grain. >> >> Tim Gallagher >> Editor-in-Chief >> LIVING BIRD >> Cornell Lab of Ornithology >> 159 Sapsucker Woods Road >> Ithaca, New York 14850 >> (607) 254-2443 >> t...@cornell.edu >> ________ >> From: bounce-8672541-10557...@list.cornell.edu [ >> bounce-8672541-10557...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Bill Evans [ >> wrev...@clarityconnect.com] >> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 4:23 PM >> To: cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu >> Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the >> game farm? >> >> What I guess we don't know is what proportion of their diet it pheasant >> versus rodent. >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Linda Orkin" >> To: "Chris Tessaglia-Hymes" >> Cc: >> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 4:11 PM >> Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the >> game farm? >> >> >> Yes. I totally agree Chris. And what a totally unnatural environment and >> conditions, with those blinders on and totally exposed to all inclement >> weather. >> >> Linda >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Mar 3, 2011, at 4:03 PM, Chris Tessaglia-Hymes >> wrote: >> >> > Wouldn't these Red-tailed Hawks primarily be targeting the weak or sick; >> > the >> > ones that might die off (in this unnatural environment) anyway? >> > >> > -- >> > Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes >> > TARU Product Line Manager and Field Applications Engineer >> > Bioacoustics Research Program, Cornell Lab of Ornithology >> > 159 Sapsucker Woods Road, Ithaca, New York 14850 >> > W: 607-254-2418 M: 607-351-5740 F: 607-254-1132 >> > http://www.birds.cornell.edu/brp >> > >> > >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: bounce-8672169-3488...@list.cornell.edu >> > [mailto:bounce-8672169-3488...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Tim >> > Gallagher >> > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 3:19 PM >> > To: cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu >> > Subject: RE: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the >> > game farm? >> > >> > I've seen red-tails eating pheasants there several times, and the people >> > who >> > work there have told me that they often see them catch them. >> > >> > Tim Gallagher >> > Editor-in-Chief >> > LIVING BIRD >> > Cornell Lab of Ornithology >> > 159 Sapsucker Woods Road >> > Ithaca, New York 14850 >> > (607) 254-2443 >> > t...@cornell.edu >> > >> > From: bounce-8672008-10557...@list.cornell.edu >> > [bounce-8672008-10557...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Bill Evans >> > [wrev...@clarityconnect.com] >> > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 2:47 PM >> > To: cayugabirds-l >> > Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the >&
RE: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the game farm?
I don't think I've ever seen one of those hawks with a mouse or rat. Lots of pheasants, though. Kevin -Original Message- From: bounce-8672579-3493...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-8672579-3493...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Tim Gallagher Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 4:29 PM To: cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu Subject: RE: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the game farm? True. I know those birds catch a lot of mice, etc., that are attracted there by the grain. And Cooper's Hawks catch pigeons, starlings, and House Sparrows there, which are also attracted by the grain. Tim Gallagher Editor-in-Chief LIVING BIRD Cornell Lab of Ornithology 159 Sapsucker Woods Road Ithaca, New York 14850 (607) 254-2443 t...@cornell.edu From: bounce-8672541-10557...@list.cornell.edu [bounce-8672541-10557...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Bill Evans [wrev...@clarityconnect.com] Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 4:23 PM To: cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the game farm? What I guess we don't know is what proportion of their diet it pheasant versus rodent. - Original Message - From: "Linda Orkin" To: "Chris Tessaglia-Hymes" Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the game farm? Yes. I totally agree Chris. And what a totally unnatural environment and conditions, with those blinders on and totally exposed to all inclement weather. Linda Sent from my iPhone On Mar 3, 2011, at 4:03 PM, Chris Tessaglia-Hymes wrote: > Wouldn't these Red-tailed Hawks primarily be targeting the weak or sick; > the > ones that might die off (in this unnatural environment) anyway? > > -- > Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes > TARU Product Line Manager and Field Applications Engineer > Bioacoustics Research Program, Cornell Lab of Ornithology > 159 Sapsucker Woods Road, Ithaca, New York 14850 > W: 607-254-2418 M: 607-351-5740 F: 607-254-1132 > http://www.birds.cornell.edu/brp > > > > -Original Message- > From: bounce-8672169-3488...@list.cornell.edu > [mailto:bounce-8672169-3488...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Tim > Gallagher > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 3:19 PM > To: cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu > Subject: RE: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the > game farm? > > I've seen red-tails eating pheasants there several times, and the people > who > work there have told me that they often see them catch them. > > Tim Gallagher > Editor-in-Chief > LIVING BIRD > Cornell Lab of Ornithology > 159 Sapsucker Woods Road > Ithaca, New York 14850 > (607) 254-2443 > t...@cornell.edu > > From: bounce-8672008-10557...@list.cornell.edu > [bounce-8672008-10557...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Bill Evans > [wrev...@clarityconnect.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 2:47 PM > To: cayugabirds-l > Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the > game farm? > > Has anyone ever seen a hawk take/eat a pheasant at the game farm? > > -- > > Cayugabirds-L List Info: > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES > > ARCHIVES: > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html > 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html > 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds > > Please submit your observations to eBird: > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ > > -- > > > -- > > Cayugabirds-L List Info: > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES > > ARCHIVES: > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html > 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html > 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds > > Please submit your observations to eBird: > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ > > -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.c
RE: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the game farm?
True. I know those birds catch a lot of mice, etc., that are attracted there by the grain. And Cooper's Hawks catch pigeons, starlings, and House Sparrows there, which are also attracted by the grain. Tim Gallagher Editor-in-Chief LIVING BIRD Cornell Lab of Ornithology 159 Sapsucker Woods Road Ithaca, New York 14850 (607) 254-2443 t...@cornell.edu From: bounce-8672541-10557...@list.cornell.edu [bounce-8672541-10557...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Bill Evans [wrev...@clarityconnect.com] Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 4:23 PM To: cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the game farm? What I guess we don't know is what proportion of their diet it pheasant versus rodent. - Original Message - From: "Linda Orkin" To: "Chris Tessaglia-Hymes" Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the game farm? Yes. I totally agree Chris. And what a totally unnatural environment and conditions, with those blinders on and totally exposed to all inclement weather. Linda Sent from my iPhone On Mar 3, 2011, at 4:03 PM, Chris Tessaglia-Hymes wrote: > Wouldn't these Red-tailed Hawks primarily be targeting the weak or sick; > the > ones that might die off (in this unnatural environment) anyway? > > -- > Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes > TARU Product Line Manager and Field Applications Engineer > Bioacoustics Research Program, Cornell Lab of Ornithology > 159 Sapsucker Woods Road, Ithaca, New York 14850 > W: 607-254-2418 M: 607-351-5740 F: 607-254-1132 > http://www.birds.cornell.edu/brp > > > > -Original Message- > From: bounce-8672169-3488...@list.cornell.edu > [mailto:bounce-8672169-3488...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Tim > Gallagher > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 3:19 PM > To: cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu > Subject: RE: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the > game farm? > > I've seen red-tails eating pheasants there several times, and the people > who > work there have told me that they often see them catch them. > > Tim Gallagher > Editor-in-Chief > LIVING BIRD > Cornell Lab of Ornithology > 159 Sapsucker Woods Road > Ithaca, New York 14850 > (607) 254-2443 > t...@cornell.edu > > From: bounce-8672008-10557...@list.cornell.edu > [bounce-8672008-10557...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Bill Evans > [wrev...@clarityconnect.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 2:47 PM > To: cayugabirds-l > Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the > game farm? > > Has anyone ever seen a hawk take/eat a pheasant at the game farm? > > -- > > Cayugabirds-L List Info: > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES > > ARCHIVES: > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html > 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html > 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds > > Please submit your observations to eBird: > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ > > -- > > > -- > > Cayugabirds-L List Info: > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES > > ARCHIVES: > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html > 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html > 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds > > Please submit your observations to eBird: > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ > > -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the game farm?
What I guess we don't know is what proportion of their diet it pheasant versus rodent. - Original Message - From: "Linda Orkin" To: "Chris Tessaglia-Hymes" Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the game farm? Yes. I totally agree Chris. And what a totally unnatural environment and conditions, with those blinders on and totally exposed to all inclement weather. Linda Sent from my iPhone On Mar 3, 2011, at 4:03 PM, Chris Tessaglia-Hymes wrote: Wouldn't these Red-tailed Hawks primarily be targeting the weak or sick; the ones that might die off (in this unnatural environment) anyway? -- Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes TARU Product Line Manager and Field Applications Engineer Bioacoustics Research Program, Cornell Lab of Ornithology 159 Sapsucker Woods Road, Ithaca, New York 14850 W: 607-254-2418 M: 607-351-5740 F: 607-254-1132 http://www.birds.cornell.edu/brp -Original Message- From: bounce-8672169-3488...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-8672169-3488...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Tim Gallagher Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 3:19 PM To: cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu Subject: RE: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the game farm? I've seen red-tails eating pheasants there several times, and the people who work there have told me that they often see them catch them. Tim Gallagher Editor-in-Chief LIVING BIRD Cornell Lab of Ornithology 159 Sapsucker Woods Road Ithaca, New York 14850 (607) 254-2443 t...@cornell.edu From: bounce-8672008-10557...@list.cornell.edu [bounce-8672008-10557...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Bill Evans [wrev...@clarityconnect.com] Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 2:47 PM To: cayugabirds-l Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the game farm? Has anyone ever seen a hawk take/eat a pheasant at the game farm? -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the game farm?
Yes. I totally agree Chris. And what a totally unnatural environment and conditions, with those blinders on and totally exposed to all inclement weather. Linda Sent from my iPhone On Mar 3, 2011, at 4:03 PM, Chris Tessaglia-Hymes wrote: > Wouldn't these Red-tailed Hawks primarily be targeting the weak or sick; the > ones that might die off (in this unnatural environment) anyway? > > -- > Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes > TARU Product Line Manager and Field Applications Engineer > Bioacoustics Research Program, Cornell Lab of Ornithology > 159 Sapsucker Woods Road, Ithaca, New York 14850 > W: 607-254-2418 M: 607-351-5740 F: 607-254-1132 > http://www.birds.cornell.edu/brp > > > > -Original Message- > From: bounce-8672169-3488...@list.cornell.edu > [mailto:bounce-8672169-3488...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Tim Gallagher > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 3:19 PM > To: cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu > Subject: RE: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the > game farm? > > I've seen red-tails eating pheasants there several times, and the people who > work there have told me that they often see them catch them. > > Tim Gallagher > Editor-in-Chief > LIVING BIRD > Cornell Lab of Ornithology > 159 Sapsucker Woods Road > Ithaca, New York 14850 > (607) 254-2443 > t...@cornell.edu > > From: bounce-8672008-10557...@list.cornell.edu > [bounce-8672008-10557...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Bill Evans > [wrev...@clarityconnect.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 2:47 PM > To: cayugabirds-l > Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the > game farm? > > Has anyone ever seen a hawk take/eat a pheasant at the game farm? > > -- > > Cayugabirds-L List Info: > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES > > ARCHIVES: > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html > 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html > 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds > > Please submit your observations to eBird: > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ > > -- > > > -- > > Cayugabirds-L List Info: > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES > > ARCHIVES: > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html > 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html > 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds > > Please submit your observations to eBird: > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ > > -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
RE: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the game farm?
Maybe. But let's face it, those pen-reared pheasants are like sitting ducks or fish in a barrel--choose your metaphor. They're crammed in there by the hundreds and are pretty easy to catch. Tim Gallagher Editor-in-Chief LIVING BIRD Cornell Lab of Ornithology 159 Sapsucker Woods Road Ithaca, New York 14850 (607) 254-2443 t...@cornell.edu From: bounce-8672373-10557...@list.cornell.edu [bounce-8672373-10557...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Chris Tessaglia-Hymes [c...@cornell.edu] Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 4:03 PM To: cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu Subject: RE: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the game farm? Wouldn't these Red-tailed Hawks primarily be targeting the weak or sick; the ones that might die off (in this unnatural environment) anyway? -- Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes TARU Product Line Manager and Field Applications Engineer Bioacoustics Research Program, Cornell Lab of Ornithology 159 Sapsucker Woods Road, Ithaca, New York 14850 W: 607-254-2418 M: 607-351-5740 F: 607-254-1132 http://www.birds.cornell.edu/brp -Original Message- From: bounce-8672169-3488...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-8672169-3488...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Tim Gallagher Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 3:19 PM To: cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu Subject: RE: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the game farm? I've seen red-tails eating pheasants there several times, and the people who work there have told me that they often see them catch them. Tim Gallagher Editor-in-Chief LIVING BIRD Cornell Lab of Ornithology 159 Sapsucker Woods Road Ithaca, New York 14850 (607) 254-2443 t...@cornell.edu From: bounce-8672008-10557...@list.cornell.edu [bounce-8672008-10557...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Bill Evans [wrev...@clarityconnect.com] Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 2:47 PM To: cayugabirds-l Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the game farm? Has anyone ever seen a hawk take/eat a pheasant at the game farm? -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
RE: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the game farm?
Wouldn't these Red-tailed Hawks primarily be targeting the weak or sick; the ones that might die off (in this unnatural environment) anyway? -- Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes TARU Product Line Manager and Field Applications Engineer Bioacoustics Research Program, Cornell Lab of Ornithology 159 Sapsucker Woods Road, Ithaca, New York 14850 W: 607-254-2418 M: 607-351-5740 F: 607-254-1132 http://www.birds.cornell.edu/brp -Original Message- From: bounce-8672169-3488...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-8672169-3488...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Tim Gallagher Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 3:19 PM To: cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu Subject: RE: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the game farm? I've seen red-tails eating pheasants there several times, and the people who work there have told me that they often see them catch them. Tim Gallagher Editor-in-Chief LIVING BIRD Cornell Lab of Ornithology 159 Sapsucker Woods Road Ithaca, New York 14850 (607) 254-2443 t...@cornell.edu From: bounce-8672008-10557...@list.cornell.edu [bounce-8672008-10557...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Bill Evans [wrev...@clarityconnect.com] Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 2:47 PM To: cayugabirds-l Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the game farm? Has anyone ever seen a hawk take/eat a pheasant at the game farm? -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
RE: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the game farm?
I've seen red-tails eating pheasants there several times, and the people who work there have told me that they often see them catch them. Tim Gallagher Editor-in-Chief LIVING BIRD Cornell Lab of Ornithology 159 Sapsucker Woods Road Ithaca, New York 14850 (607) 254-2443 t...@cornell.edu From: bounce-8672008-10557...@list.cornell.edu [bounce-8672008-10557...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Bill Evans [wrev...@clarityconnect.com] Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 2:47 PM To: cayugabirds-l Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the game farm? Has anyone ever seen a hawk take/eat a pheasant at the game farm? -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the game farm?
Yes, the latter. On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Bill Evans wrote: > Has anyone ever seen a hawk take/eat a pheasant at the game farm? > -- asher -Never play it the same way once. -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the game farm?
Has anyone ever seen a hawk take/eat a pheasant at the game farm? -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
RE: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the game farm?
John, These are interesting hawk-tales. They are NIMBY phenomenon's. This reminds of good and bad cholesterols. I have no idea what they are? As far as I am concerned cholesterol is cholesterol! Had a good laugh and also made me think of science and scientists a bit. Meena Meena Haribal Boyce Thompson Institute Ithaca NY 14850 Phone 607-254-1258 http://meenaharibal.blogspot.com/ http://haribal.org/ http://haribal.wikispaces.com/space/showimage/wildwest+trip+August+2007+.pdf<http://www.geocities.com/asiootusloe/http:/www.geocities.com/asiootusloe/mothsofithaca.htmlhttp:/haribal.wikispaces.com/space/showimage/wildwest+trip+August+2007+.pdf> From: John Confer [mailto:con...@ithaca.edu] Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 1:57 PM To: Meena Haribal Cc: cayugabirds-l Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the game farm? HI Folks, The only state-owned pheasant farm left in NY is our own on Game Farm Rd. The immediate factor that led to the close of the next to last game farm was budget concerns, (although there may well have been environmental reasons to close them.) Our pheasant farm was scheduled for closure, but the threat of declining hunting licenses may have kept it open. By the way, until about 20 years ago the game farm controlled for hawk and owl predation by putting leg traps on the poles and then killing the captured raptors, which would have died of a broken leg, anyway. By the way, did you know that Professor Allen wrote a small brochure (It's in the archives for the Cayuga Bird Club at Uris Library) about How to Kill the Bad Hawks (which meant those that take chickens and birds we like) without killing the good hawks that take mice and rats. About 15 years ago, Profesor Whittaker, the famous ecologist of the widely-used text, called up the Hawk Barn, while it was still in Ithaca, to say that they should come and capture the Cooper's Hawk feeding at his bird feeder or he would take care of the hawk himself. Yeah, values do change. Cheers, John Confer On 3/3/2011 1:47 PM, Meena Haribal wrote: Well, I was thinking Red tailed hawks were "organic feeders", they want free ranging pheasants. Anyways, how come pheasants are preferred food? These are non native birds. And are there so many pheasant farms all around US? May be the particular study that found pheasant are preferred food, happen to have been conducted in Ithaca around game farm and does not reflect true preferences of RTHA Just another query. Meena Meena Haribal Boyce Thompson Institute Ithaca NY 14850 Phone 607-254-1258 http://meenaharibal.blogspot.com/ http://haribal.org/ http://haribal.wikispaces.com/space/showimage/wildwest+trip+August+2007+.pdf<http://www.geocities.com/asiootusloe/http:/www.geocities.com/asiootusloe/mothsofithaca.htmlhttp:/haribal.wikispaces.com/space/showimage/wildwest+trip+August+2007+.pdf> From: bounce-8671320-3493...@list.cornell.edu<mailto:bounce-8671320-3493...@list.cornell.edu> [mailto:bounce-8671320-3493...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of John Confer Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 1:05 PM To: Candace Cornell Cc: cayugabirds-l Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the game farm? Hi Folks, I have talked with the Game Farm manager. He told me that they try to release about 130,000 pheasant each fall, that the captive flock starts in fall at about 35,000, and that they loose about 7000 to predation every year. Since the potential for the weight of snow and ice on the screen prohibit the use of screen on top for about 200 days of the year, that means about 35 eaten per day. This winter the count may be higher. There is the mega-number of hawks now, but when the first remove the over-the-top screen in early fall there aren't as many predators around, and before they but it back in spring, there aren't as many hawks then either. So, even though there may be more than 35 eaten per day now, an average of 35 per day for the entire period of no-screen seems reasonable to me. I must admit that I get some satisfaction from seeking hunting license dollars going to feed red-tails. After all, we birders loose the pleasure of seeing so many things due to hunting, it is nice to have some turn around. I wonder how many owls eat there? I wonder if juvenile red-tails have a lower efficiency of capture than the adults? Cheers, John On 3/3/2011 12:22 PM, Candace Cornell wrote: This may be a naive question, but why don't the large number of Red-tailed Hawks (15-60+), which keep vigil at the Ring-necked Pheasant pens on Game Farm Road in Ithaca, decimate the pheasant population? According to the BNA, Ring-necked Pheasant is one of their preferred foods and I've seen them eating what looks pheasant entrails within the pens. Candace Cornell -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/Cayugab
Re: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the game farm?
It seems like the Game Farm must have been in violation (unless they were permitted otherwise) of the Migratory Bird Treaty Act, as well as the esteemed professor: Establishment of a Federal prohibition, unless permitted by regulations, to "pursue, hunt, take, capture, kill, attempt to take, capture or kill, possess, offer for sale, sell, offer to purchase, purchase, deliver for shipment, ship, cause to be shipped, deliver for transportation, transport, cause to be transported, carry, or cause to be carried by any means whatever, receive for shipment, transportation or carriage, or export, at any time, or in any manner, any migratory bird, included in the terms of this Convention . . . for the protection of migratory birds . . . or any part, nest, or egg of any such bird." (16 U.S.C. 703) On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 1:56 PM, John Confer wrote: > HI Folks, > > The only state-owned pheasant farm left in NY is our own on Game Farm > Rd. The immediate factor that led to the close of the next to last game farm > was budget concerns, (although there may well have been environmental > reasons to close them.) Our pheasant farm was scheduled for closure, but the > threat of declining hunting licenses may have kept it open. > > By the way, until about 20 years ago the game farm controlled for hawk > and owl predation by putting leg traps on the poles and then killing the > captured raptors, which would have died of a broken leg, anyway. By the > way, did you know that Professor Allen wrote a small brochure (It's in the > archives for the Cayuga Bird Club at Uris Library) about How to Kill the Bad > Hawks (which meant those that take chickens and birds we like) without > killing the good hawks that take mice and rats. About 15 years ago, Profesor > Whittaker, the famous ecologist of the widely-used text, called up the Hawk > Barn, while it was still in Ithaca, to say that they should come and capture > the Cooper's Hawk feeding at his bird feeder or he would take care of the > hawk himself. Yeah, values do change. > > Cheers, > > John Confer > > > On 3/3/2011 1:47 PM, Meena Haribal wrote: > > Well, I was thinking Red tailed hawks were “organic feeders”, they want > free ranging pheasants. > > > > Anyways, how come pheasants are preferred food? These are non native > birds. And are there so many pheasant farms all around US? May be the > particular study that found pheasant are preferred food, happen to have > been conducted in Ithaca around game farm and does not reflect true > preferences of RTHA > > > > Just another query. > > > > Meena > > > > > > Meena Haribal > > Boyce Thompson Institute > > Ithaca NY 14850 > > Phone 607-254-1258 > > http://meenaharibal.blogspot.com/ > > http://haribal.org/ > > > http://haribal.wikispaces.com/space/showimage/wildwest+trip+August+2007+.pdf<http://www.geocities.com/asiootusloe/http:/www.geocities.com/asiootusloe/mothsofithaca.htmlhttp:/haribal.wikispaces.com/space/showimage/wildwest+trip+August+2007+.pdf> > > > > *From:* bounce-8671320-3493...@list.cornell.edu [ > mailto:bounce-8671320-3493...@list.cornell.edu] > *On Behalf Of *John Confer > *Sent:* Thursday, March 03, 2011 1:05 PM > *To:* Candace Cornell > *Cc:* cayugabirds-l > *Subject:* Re: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the > game farm? > > > > Hi Folks, > > I have talked with the Game Farm manager. He told me that they try to > release about 130,000 pheasant each fall, that the captive flock starts in > fall at about 35,000, and that they loose about 7000 to predation every > year. Since the potential for the weight of snow and ice on the screen > prohibit the use of screen on top for about 200 days of the year, that means > about 35 eaten per day. This winter the count may be higher. There is the > mega-number of hawks now, but when the first remove the over-the-top screen > in early fall there aren't as many predators around, and before they but it > back in spring, there aren't as many hawks then either. So, even though > there may be more than 35 eaten per day now, an average of 35 per day for > the entire period of no-screen seems reasonable to me. > > I must admit that I get some satisfaction from seeking hunting license > dollars going to feed red-tails. After all, we birders loose the pleasure of > seeing so many things due to hunting, it is nice to have some turn around. > > I wonder how many owls eat there? > > I wonder if juvenile red-tails have a lower efficiency of capture than > the adults? > > Cheers, > > John > > > > > On 3/3/2011 12:22 PM, Candace Cornell wrote: > > This may
Re: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the game farm?
HI Folks, The only state-owned pheasant farm left in NY is our own on Game Farm Rd. The immediate factor that led to the close of the next to last game farm was budget concerns, (although there may well have been environmental reasons to close them.) Our pheasant farm was scheduled for closure, but the threat of declining hunting licenses may have kept it open. By the way, until about 20 years ago the game farm controlled for hawk and owl predation by putting leg traps on the poles and then killing the captured raptors, which would have died of a broken leg, anyway. By the way, did you know that Professor Allen wrote a small brochure (It's in the archives for the Cayuga Bird Club at Uris Library) about How to Kill the Bad Hawks (which meant those that take chickens and birds we like) without killing the good hawks that take mice and rats. About 15 years ago, Profesor Whittaker, the famous ecologist of the widely-used text, called up the Hawk Barn, while it was still in Ithaca, to say that they should come and capture the Cooper's Hawk feeding at his bird feeder or he would take care of the hawk himself. Yeah, values do change. Cheers, John Confer On 3/3/2011 1:47 PM, Meena Haribal wrote: > > Well, I was thinking Red tailed hawks were "organic feeders", they > want free ranging pheasants. > > Anyways, how come pheasants are preferred food? These are non native > birds. And are there so many pheasant farms all around US? May be > the particular study that found pheasant are preferred food, happen > to have been conducted in Ithaca around game farm and does not reflect > true preferences of RTHA > > Just another query. > > Meena > > Meena Haribal > > Boyce Thompson Institute > > Ithaca NY 14850 > > Phone 607-254-1258 > > http://meenaharibal.blogspot.com/ > > http://haribal.org/ > > http://haribal.wikispaces.com/space/showimage/wildwest+trip+August+2007+.pdf > <http://www.geocities.com/asiootusloe/http:/www.geocities.com/asiootusloe/mothsofithaca.htmlhttp:/haribal.wikispaces.com/space/showimage/wildwest+trip+August+2007+.pdf> > > *From:*bounce-8671320-3493...@list.cornell.edu > [mailto:bounce-8671320-3493...@list.cornell.edu] *On Behalf Of *John > Confer > *Sent:* Thursday, March 03, 2011 1:05 PM > *To:* Candace Cornell > *Cc:* cayugabirds-l > *Subject:* Re: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at > the game farm? > > Hi Folks, > > I have talked with the Game Farm manager. He told me that they try > to release about 130,000 pheasant each fall, that the captive flock > starts in fall at about 35,000, and that they loose about 7000 to > predation every year. Since the potential for the weight of snow and > ice on the screen prohibit the use of screen on top for about 200 days > of the year, that means about 35 eaten per day. This winter the count > may be higher. There is the mega-number of hawks now, but when the > first remove the over-the-top screen in early fall there aren't as > many predators around, and before they but it back in spring, there > aren't as many hawks then either. So, even though there may be more > than 35 eaten per day now, an average of 35 per day for the entire > period of no-screen seems reasonable to me. > > I must admit that I get some satisfaction from seeking hunting > license dollars going to feed red-tails. After all, we birders loose > the pleasure of seeing so many things due to hunting, it is nice to > have some turn around. > > I wonder how many owls eat there? > > I wonder if juvenile red-tails have a lower efficiency of capture > than the adults? > > Cheers, > > John > > > > > On 3/3/2011 12:22 PM, Candace Cornell wrote: > > This may be a naive question, but why don't the large number of > Red-tailed Hawks (15-60+), which keep vigil at the Ring-necked > Pheasant pens on Game Farm Road in Ithaca, decimate the pheasant > population? According to the BNA, Ring-necked Pheasant is one of > their preferred foods and I've seen them eating what looks pheasant > entrails within the pens. > > Candace Cornell > -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --<>
Re: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the game farm?
I agree with Meena on the preferred food thing. Yet, it helps to remember that there has been a huge proliferation in RTHA since the interstate highway sysem was initiated and opened up a huge feeding opportunity for them. Maybe there is some connection between the two species through that link. On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Meena Haribal wrote: > Well, I was thinking Red tailed hawks were “organic feeders”, they want > free ranging pheasants. > > > > Anyways, how come pheasants are preferred food? These are non native > birds. And are there so many pheasant farms all around US? May be the > particular study that found pheasant are preferred food, happen to have > been conducted in Ithaca around game farm and does not reflect true > preferences of RTHA > > > > Just another query. > > > > Meena > > > > > > Meena Haribal > > Boyce Thompson Institute > > Ithaca NY 14850 > > Phone 607-254-1258 > > http://meenaharibal.blogspot.com/ > > http://haribal.org/ > > > http://haribal.wikispaces.com/space/showimage/wildwest+trip+August+2007+.pdf<http://www.geocities.com/asiootusloe/http:/www.geocities.com/asiootusloe/mothsofithaca.htmlhttp:/haribal.wikispaces.com/space/showimage/wildwest+trip+August+2007+.pdf> > > > > *From:* bounce-8671320-3493...@list.cornell.edu [mailto: > bounce-8671320-3493...@list.cornell.edu] *On Behalf Of *John Confer > *Sent:* Thursday, March 03, 2011 1:05 PM > *To:* Candace Cornell > *Cc:* cayugabirds-l > *Subject:* Re: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the > game farm? > > > > Hi Folks, > > I have talked with the Game Farm manager. He told me that they try to > release about 130,000 pheasant each fall, that the captive flock starts in > fall at about 35,000, and that they loose about 7000 to predation every > year. Since the potential for the weight of snow and ice on the screen > prohibit the use of screen on top for about 200 days of the year, that means > about 35 eaten per day. This winter the count may be higher. There is the > mega-number of hawks now, but when the first remove the over-the-top screen > in early fall there aren't as many predators around, and before they but it > back in spring, there aren't as many hawks then either. So, even though > there may be more than 35 eaten per day now, an average of 35 per day for > the entire period of no-screen seems reasonable to me. > > I must admit that I get some satisfaction from seeking hunting license > dollars going to feed red-tails. After all, we birders loose the pleasure of > seeing so many things due to hunting, it is nice to have some turn around. > > I wonder how many owls eat there? > > I wonder if juvenile red-tails have a lower efficiency of capture than > the adults? > > Cheers, > > John > > > > > On 3/3/2011 12:22 PM, Candace Cornell wrote: > > This may be a naive question, but why don’t the large number of Red-tailed > Hawks (15-60+), which keep vigil at the Ring-necked Pheasant pens on Game > Farm Road in Ithaca, decimate the pheasant population? According to the > BNA, Ring-necked Pheasant is one of their preferred foods and I've seen > them eating what looks pheasant entrails within the pens. > > > > Candace Cornell > > > -- asher -Never play it the same way once. -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
RE: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the game farm?
Well, I was thinking Red tailed hawks were "organic feeders", they want free ranging pheasants. Anyways, how come pheasants are preferred food? These are non native birds. And are there so many pheasant farms all around US? May be the particular study that found pheasant are preferred food, happen to have been conducted in Ithaca around game farm and does not reflect true preferences of RTHA Just another query. Meena Meena Haribal Boyce Thompson Institute Ithaca NY 14850 Phone 607-254-1258 http://meenaharibal.blogspot.com/ http://haribal.org/ http://haribal.wikispaces.com/space/showimage/wildwest+trip+August+2007+.pdf<http://www.geocities.com/asiootusloe/http:/www.geocities.com/asiootusloe/mothsofithaca.htmlhttp:/haribal.wikispaces.com/space/showimage/wildwest+trip+August+2007+.pdf> From: bounce-8671320-3493...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-8671320-3493...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of John Confer Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 1:05 PM To: Candace Cornell Cc: cayugabirds-l Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the game farm? Hi Folks, I have talked with the Game Farm manager. He told me that they try to release about 130,000 pheasant each fall, that the captive flock starts in fall at about 35,000, and that they loose about 7000 to predation every year. Since the potential for the weight of snow and ice on the screen prohibit the use of screen on top for about 200 days of the year, that means about 35 eaten per day. This winter the count may be higher. There is the mega-number of hawks now, but when the first remove the over-the-top screen in early fall there aren't as many predators around, and before they but it back in spring, there aren't as many hawks then either. So, even though there may be more than 35 eaten per day now, an average of 35 per day for the entire period of no-screen seems reasonable to me. I must admit that I get some satisfaction from seeking hunting license dollars going to feed red-tails. After all, we birders loose the pleasure of seeing so many things due to hunting, it is nice to have some turn around. I wonder how many owls eat there? I wonder if juvenile red-tails have a lower efficiency of capture than the adults? Cheers, John On 3/3/2011 12:22 PM, Candace Cornell wrote: This may be a naive question, but why don't the large number of Red-tailed Hawks (15-60+), which keep vigil at the Ring-necked Pheasant pens on Game Farm Road in Ithaca, decimate the pheasant population? According to the BNA, Ring-necked Pheasant is one of their preferred foods and I've seen them eating what looks pheasant entrails within the pens. Candace Cornell -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [cayugabirds-l] Why don't RTHA eat all the pheasants at the game farm?
Hi Folks, I have talked with the Game Farm manager. He told me that they try to release about 130,000 pheasant each fall, that the captive flock starts in fall at about 35,000, and that they loose about 7000 to predation every year. Since the potential for the weight of snow and ice on the screen prohibit the use of screen on top for about 200 days of the year, that means about 35 eaten per day. This winter the count may be higher. There is the mega-number of hawks now, but when the first remove the over-the-top screen in early fall there aren't as many predators around, and before they but it back in spring, there aren't as many hawks then either. So, even though there may be more than 35 eaten per day now, an average of 35 per day for the entire period of no-screen seems reasonable to me. I must admit that I get some satisfaction from seeking hunting license dollars going to feed red-tails. After all, we birders loose the pleasure of seeing so many things due to hunting, it is nice to have some turn around. I wonder how many owls eat there? I wonder if juvenile red-tails have a lower efficiency of capture than the adults? Cheers, John On 3/3/2011 12:22 PM, Candace Cornell wrote: > > This may be a naive question, but why don’t the large number of > Red-tailed Hawks (15-60+), which keep vigil at the Ring-necked > Pheasant pens on Game Farm Road in Ithaca, decimate the pheasant > population? According to the BNA, Ring-necked Pheasant is one of their > preferred foods and I've seen them eating what looks pheasant entrails > within the pens. > > > Candace Cornell > > -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --<>