Re: [cayugabirds-l] There male redwings, Mon West Danby area also

2020-02-21 Thread khmo 
Suan, In Feb we see a mix and the more discernible brown edging can be
called SY through the beginning of May! The lesser coverts are a big
help in ageing.
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On 2020-02-20 21:12, Suan Hsi Yong wrote:

> Anne Clark wrote: 
> 
>> We had actual females back in a marsh near Binghamton/Endicott as early as 
>> February.  Usually females did not show up until late march.  I don't mean 
>> nest, just be seen in flocks and maybe visit the marsh.
> 
> Will all second-year males have "turned" by February, or could these early 
> F-types be second year males? 
> 
> Suan 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] There male redwings, Mon West Danby area also

2020-02-20 Thread AB Clark 
The early F-types I was referring to were very clearly female, being observed 
by my grad student who was working on them for his disseration. They had begun 
twittering, cattail to cattail by March.  Their marsh was all unfrozen.  We 
were starting to wonder if they would actually build nests in March.  Typically 
older females come back before younger ones.  I suppose they could confuse by 
having salmon color in their heads, but their body feathers are not dark.

As for universal “conversion” of males into certain males by February?  I 
wouldn’t count on there NOT being some very odd males still. 

As an old primate person, I think the banders' age designations are confusingly 
obfuscatory of critical differences.  Blackbirds here fledge from sometime in 
May to 15 July (or maybe later now).  That means that young males returning now 
in mid February range in age from 7 mos to 9 mos old.  This probably 
contributes to a big range in plumages for those young males.  But it isn’t 
hard to tell young “female-type” males  from young or old females.  Young 
females are very stripey, but not blackish-stripy and their heads are light;  
older females often will have salmon-orange color in their heads and are 
definitely not blackish in overtone.  In some years, some older females have 
distinct epaulets (an easy fall and winter??), but they are usually only 
visible in hand or during aggression.  So I would expect anyone seeing a very 
immature pliumage male would say something like “wow, that can’t be just a 
really dark female…but what IS it?”   And the feathers will be odd looking, 
because they include dark ones that young females don’t have.  I think I have 
some pictures from the last two years….

Anne

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> On Feb 20, 2020, at 4:12 PM, Suan Hsi Yong  wrote:
> 
> Anne Clark wrote:
> We had actual females back in a marsh near Binghamton/Endicott as early as 
> February.  Usually females did not show up until late march.  I don’t mean 
> nest, just be seen in flocks and maybe visit the marsh.
> 
> Will all second-year males have "turned" by February, or could these early 
> F-types be second year males?
> 
> Suan
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] There male redwings, Mon West Danby area also

2020-02-20 Thread Suan Hsi Yong 
Anne Clark wrote:

> We had actual females back in a marsh near Binghamton/Endicott as early as
> February.  Usually females did not show up until late march.  I don’t mean
> nest, just be seen in flocks and maybe visit the marsh.
>

Will all second-year males have "turned" by February, or could these early
F-types be second year males?

Suan

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] There male redwings, Mon West Danby area also

2020-02-20 Thread khmo 
The mean date for Red-wings here based on a 34 year norm is fairly
constant with little deviation is 2/25, for Grackle 2/28 and Cowbird
2/10.

Adult males usually travel first followed closely by SY birds for
Red-wings. Females later. The latest RWBL arr date we have recorded is
3/13. Most arrivals over the year have indeed been in Feb.
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On 2020-02-20 17:23, AB Clark wrote:

> As someone studying redwing nesting and nestlings in the 89-2000 region, I 
> can say they were incredibly variable 3 decades ago.  They could easily show 
> up in February when the winter was warm.  We had actual females back in a 
> marsh near Binghamton/Endicott as early as February.  Usually females did not 
> show up until late march.  I don't mean nest, just be seen in flocks and 
> maybe visit the marsh. 
> 
> In the years 95 and 97-98, which were incredibly warm winters, we had 
> redwings at feeders being reported all winter--some people were emailing me!  
> In 98, a very warm spring, I had two first year females that were banded on 
> Cornell ponds (by me) back on the ponds in spring...possible explanation was 
> that they never went anywhere all winter and thus failed to disperse.  
> 
> Redwinged blackbird males were also staying all winter or reappearing during 
> the winter in SW Michigan in the 80's,  in warm ups, like robins.  Not many 
> but some.  These are birds whose migratory pattern set them up well to 
> respond strongly to climatic shifts. 
> 
> No doubt that the mean dates have shifted, but I can look up first arrivals 
> and first egg dates across the 90's decade at some point, for comparsion--at 
> some point!   
> 
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>> On Feb 18, 2020, at 11:17 PM, Nigel  wrote: 
>> 
>> The RWB are about 1 month early - they used to show up mid to late March. 
>> We had at least 6 Monday afternoon. They looked more like yellow wing 
>> blackbirds - the wing stripe was a very dull muddy yellow. There were also 
>> some Starlings mixed in. 
>> The hills are alive with the sounds of ... RWB. 
>> 
>> Nigel, near the Lindsay-Parsons Biodiversity Preserve, West Danby, NY
>> 
>>> There are currently three male Red-winged Blackbirds on the ground under 
>>> our feeders on Muriel Street in Ithaca NY. Nice to see. Welcome back guys. 
>>> Linda Orkin 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] There male redwings, Mon West Danby area also

2020-02-20 Thread AB Clark 
As someone studying redwing nesting and nestlings in the 89-2000 region, I can 
say they were incredibly variable 3 decades ago.  They could easily show up in 
February when the winter was warm.  We had actual females back in a marsh near 
Binghamton/Endicott as early as February.  Usually females did not show up 
until late march.  I don’t mean nest, just be seen in flocks and maybe visit 
the marsh.

In the years 95 and 97-98, which were incredibly warm winters, we had redwings 
at feeders being reported all winter—some people were emailing me!  In 98, a 
very warm spring, I had two first year females that were banded on Cornell 
ponds (by me) back on the ponds in spring…possible explanation was that they 
never went anywhere all winter and thus failed to disperse. 

Redwinged blackbird males were also staying all winter or reappearing during 
the winter in SW Michigan in the 80’s,  in warm ups, like robins.  Not many but 
some.  These are birds whose migratory pattern set them up well to respond 
strongly to climatic shifts.

No doubt that the mean dates have shifted, but I can look up first arrivals and 
first egg dates across the 90’s decade at some point, for comparsion—at some 
point!  

Anne B Clark
147 Hile School Rd
Freeville, NY 13068
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> On Feb 18, 2020, at 11:17 PM, Nigel  wrote:
> 
> The RWB are about 1 month early - they used to show up mid to late March.
> We had at least 6 Monday afternoon. They looked more like yellow wing 
> blackbirds - the wing stripe was a very dull muddy yellow. There were also 
> some Starlings mixed in.
> The hills are alive with the sounds of ... RWB.
>  
> Nigel, near the Lindsay-Parsons Biodiversity Preserve, West Danby, NY
> 
> > There are currently three male Red-winged Blackbirds on the ground under 
> > our feeders on Muriel Street in Ithaca NY. Nice to see. Welcome back guys. 
> > Linda Orkin
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] There male redwings, Mon West Danby area also

2020-02-18 Thread Nigel 
The RWB are about 1 month early - they used to show up mid to late March.
We had at least 6 Monday afternoon. They looked more like yellow wing blackbirds - the wing stripe was a very dull muddy yellow. There were also some Starlings mixed in.
The hills are alive with the sounds of ... RWB.
 
Nigel, near the Lindsay-Parsons Biodiversity Preserve, West Danby, NY
> There are currently three male Red-winged Blackbirds on the ground under our feeders on Muriel Street in Ithaca NY. Nice to see. Welcome back guys. Linda Orkin
 

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RE: [cayugabirds-l] There male redwings

2020-02-18 Thread Marty Schlabach 
Redwings first showed up at our feeders on Saturday, Feb 15, mixed in with the 
flock of 30-50 cowbirds we’ve had coming to our feeders since December.

Marty Schlabach
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And one adult male at my feeder on Monday in Groton on Old Stage Road.

Sigrid

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We had two males out in Enfield today too, on Halseyville Rd.!

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] There male redwings

2020-02-18 Thread Sigrid Connors 
And one adult male at my feeder on Monday in Groton on Old Stage Road.

Sigrid

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] There male redwings

2020-02-18 Thread AB Clark 
Not trying to compete, but late last week, had a flock of mostly young males 
(up to 19) and today a group of ca 50-60.  A smaller subset came to feeders 
(25?  they swooped in where I couldn’t see all on the ground)  with a nice male 
Common Grackle.  
Again, it is interesting that a majority of the Red-wings have been young 
males, lots of brown edging on feathers and rather orange epaulets.  I 
definitely had one adult male as well today—all black contour feathers.

Maybe the SE winds convinced them to move up a bit.  

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> We had two males out in Enfield today too, on Halseyville Rd.!
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2020-02-18 Thread Barbara Bauer Sadovnic 
We had two males out in Enfield today too, on Halseyville Rd.!

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2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds
3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html

Please submit your observations to eBird:
http://ebird.org/content/ebird/

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