Re: [cayugabirds-l] A great read for birders to consider by Bryan Pfeiffer

2021-12-11 Thread Dave Nutter
My wife and I want to minimize both our energy use and our fossil fuel use. 
Because of our modest income, we qualified for a subsidy through this exact 
fund to get a hybrid electric water heater last year. It uses an air source 
heat pump, which chills the basement, as well as the standard 
much-less-energy-efficient electric resistance heating as a backup. After we 
got this water heater, a representative of Halco, who bought out the smaller 
local company which installed the water heater, told us that all appliances 
these days are not built to last, and urged us to buy a maintenance package 
with a yearly fee which would have eaten up our monetary savings on energy. 
This morning we are having Halco come look at the water heater, because the air 
source heat pump part, which was surprisingly noisy, has quit working. A 
previous electric water heater, which came with the old house we bought, had 
worked for an additional 20 years before it had any problems. 

We thought we were doing something good for the environment, and maybe we were, 
but some wealthier people who burn a lot of fossil fuel for a more extravagant 
lifestyle and realize their impact but want to clear their conscience, those 
folks are also taking the credit. 

Carbon offsets are neither simple nor clear in the way they work, if they work 
at all. IMO, there’s no substitute for actually reducing personal energy use in 
general and fossil fuel use in particular. 

- - Dave Nutter

> On Dec 9, 2021, at 10:34 PM, Hurf Sheldon  wrote:
> 
> This is a very good option for carbon offsetting:
> https://www.fingerlakesclimatefund.org/
> cheers,
> hurf
> 
>> On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 11:24 AM Regi Teasley  wrote:
>> Totally agree.  I have always thought that birders are a “sleeping giant” 
>> that can make a big difference.
>> Regi
>> 
>> 
>> “If we surrendered to the earth’s intelligence, we could rise up rooted, 
>> like trees.” Rainer Maria Rilke
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 9, 2021, at 8:50 AM, Donna Lee Scott  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  I like this idea, Bob. 
>>> 
>>> Re SPCA, they do more than any other group to neuter/spay feral cats, & 
>>> also cats of low-income people, with their free feral program & their 
>>> low-cost program for pets of those with limited means. I sometimes trap 
>>> ferals here & take them to SPCA. 
>>> All animals adopted from SPCA go home neutered. 
>>> 
>>> And to repeat what I have recently posted at various online places: 
>>> The Finger Lakes Land Trust really needs donations NOW for the purchase of 
>>> the Bell Station land from NYSEG. 
>>> for more info see www.fllt.org/savebellstation
>>> This explains the way this deal works.
>>> 
>>>  NYS didn’t buy BS from NYSEG; nys just convinced NYSEG & Public Service 
>>> Commission to let FLLT buy Bell Station for later transfer to NYS DEC as a 
>>> Wildlife Mgt. Area, ensuring public access to this wonderful 
>>> lakeshore-woods. 
>>> 
>>> Non-profit FLLT does a masterful job at saving land from development in 
>>> various ways & they always emphasize that what they do creates, improves & 
>>> saves habitat for birds & wildlife!
>>> 
>>> Donna Scott
>>> Lansing
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Dec 9, 2021, at 8:31 AM, Stephanie P. Herrick  wrote:
 
 
 I like this idea Bob,  for two reasons:
 
 1. It benefits two worthy and appropriate local groups
 2. The very act of making a mindful contribution encourages us to reflect 
 on why we are doing it
 
 Thanks for suggesting!   Looking forward to others thoughts!   
 
 - S
 From: bounce-126137445-82496...@list.cornell.edu 
  on behalf of bob mcguire 
 
 Sent: Thursday, December 9, 2021 8:20:11 AM
 To: Dave Nutter 
 Cc: linda orkin ; John Gregoire 
 ; CAYUGABIRDS-L 
 
 Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] A great read for birders to consider by Bryan 
 Pfeiffer
  
 Me too (a movement here?).   
 
 And I have one small idea on how to deal with it. Bird clubs organize 
 field trips, and participation is free. What if each participant was 
 encouraged (not required, just encouraged) to donate - say - $10 to either 
 the Land Trust or the SPCA? The Land Trust because they are a major player 
 in habitat conservation, and the SPCA because they (and I’d have to check 
 this out) play a role in reducing the number of feral/outdoor cats. Local 
 organizations, local impact. 
 
 Could something like this fly?  
 
 Bob McGuire
 
> On Dec 8, 2021, at 4:11 PM, Dave Nutter  wrote:
> 
> Better said than I could have, though such concerns have been brewing for 
> me a long time. So, how do we deal with it? As individuals, as 
> organizations, as unorganized groups? Thoughts welcome. 
> 
> - - Dave Nutter
> 
> On Dec 8, 2021, at 11:02 AM, Linda Orkin  wrote:
> 
>> Thanks John. 
>> 
>> Yes I had also read that, with great interest. Lots to think about. 

Re:[cayugabirds-l] A great read for birders to consider by Bryan Pfeiffer

2021-12-10 Thread Sandy Podulka
Great suggestions, Suan.   And you make really 
good points about the Christmas Bird Count.

I heartily endorse the Finger Lakes Climate 
Fun--our family offsets all our travel, heating, 
electricity, etc use at the end of each year 
(using their handy calculator) with a donation to 
this group, which then uses the money to help 
make local homes more energy efficient--for 
families who couldn't otherwise afford to do 
this. So, our birding is already covered in that 
(not saying it excuses all the travel).  Perhaps 
some others are also already doing this?

Here is what they say on their website "The 
Finger Lakes Climate Fund will initially fund 
residential energy efficiency projects for low to 
moderate income households in the Finger Lakes 
region. The fund will help pay for insulation, 
air sealing, energy efficient heating equipment, 
and other upgrades to reduce energy use and 
greenhouse gas emissions. The energy efficiency 
upgrades are carried out by Building Performance 
Institute accredited contractors using guidelines 
provided by the New York State Energy Research 
and Development Authority. These home energy 
efficiency projects reduce greenhouse gas 
emissions, support low income families, and help stimulate our local economy. "

Sandy Podulka

At 08:49 PM 12/10/2021, Suan Hsi Yong wrote:
>Very engaging discussion about 
>emission-awareness while birding. Let me throw in a few cents.
>
>Broadening the scope of an outing to include 
>more than birds is definitely a good idea. In 
>past years, the Lab of O has collaborated with 
>the Botanic Gardens to have bird walks at the 
>Arboretum and plant walks at Sapsucker Woods, 
>which I've always tried to attend (so I can 
>learn what to tell people during bird walks when 
>there are no birds :-). I've also joined various 
>walks hosted mainly by the FLLT in the past to 
>learn about tree identification (from Akiva 
>Silver, 
>https://www.fllt.org/profiles/akiva-silver/), 
>animal tracking (from Linda Spielman, 
>https://lindajspielman.com/), etc. We could try 
>to organize "birding plus" walks and invite 
>leaders from other disciplines. Otherwise, as an 
>individual, iNaturalist and Google Lens are 
>resources that can let one identify and learn on 
>their own about what they're seeing.
>
>Encouraging field trip participants to donate to 
>FLLT or SPCA is an interesting idea. We might 
>get into a question of which of the many worthy 
>causes we decide to endorse. As club president, 
>I'd rather not make top-down endorsements; 
>instead, we could let each field trip leader 
>decide, since they are after all the ones volunteering to lead.
>
>Carbon offsetting via 
>https://www.fingerlakesclimatefund.org/ is also 
>an interesting idea. In fact, I can imagine a 
>feature like this being incorporated into eBird: 
>if on a given day you submit checklists from 
>Myers, Long Point, Montezuma, and Dean's Cove, 
>there's enough information there for the 
>software to estimate the distance traveled, and 
>thus the emission cost of that outing. For club 
>Field Trips, we could also make it a conscious 
>step to compute this, either estimate before or 
>consciously check the odometer afterwards, and 
>tell the participants. Much like how calorie 
>counts are becoming commonplace on menus, 
>perhaps our field trip descriptions should 
>include an estimated carbon cost in dollars per vehicle.
>
>The Christmas Bird Count is IMO the wrong thing 
>to focus on when it comes to reducing driving. 
>The count at least has a survey goal, and unless 
>birders' homes happen to coincide with a decent 
>statistical cover of the circle, non-local 
>movement will be necessary. We could aim to 
>encourage biking, but that requires 
>infrastructure investments, especially in 
>winter, and is thus a long term goal. The best 
>we can do, I think, is to minimize the 
>frequent-stop-and-go driving style, e.g., using 
>Dave's leap-frogging idea when possible. This 
>would apply to Atlas surveys also the rest of the year.
>
>Chasing rarities and non-local hotspots (like 
>Montezuma) are bigger problems, IMO. Unless one 
>makes a conscious decision not to chase, 
>carpooling is probably the best mitigating 
>solution. Unfortunately, COVID is forcing us to 
>discourage carpooling. To encourage birding more 
>locally, there's the notion of adopting a local 
>patch and birding it year round to see what 
>changes, and maybe learn more about the rest of 
>its non-avian biology if the birding is quiet. 
>Or make your yard its own hotspot by creating 
>habitat, planting native plants, etc.
>
>I've been thinking of having more 
>single-destination field trips, as opposed to 
>trips that drive to multiple places. Last 
>weekend's morning at Stewart park was one such 
>trip, which turned out remarkably productive. 
>Unfortunately, there aren't many good single 
>destinations for birding in the winter months, 
>but Spring would be a time to try more of this.
>
>Suan
>
>---
>

Re: [cayugabirds-l] A great read for birders to consider by Bryan Pfeiffer

2021-12-10 Thread Suan Hsi Yong
Very engaging discussion about emission-awareness while birding. Let me throw 
in a few cents.

Broadening the scope of an outing to include more than birds is definitely a 
good idea. In past years, the Lab of O has collaborated with the Botanic 
Gardens to have bird walks at the Arboretum and plant walks at Sapsucker Woods, 
which I've always tried to attend (so I can learn what to tell people during 
bird walks when there are no birds :-). I've also joined various walks hosted 
mainly by the FLLT in the past to learn about tree identification (from Akiva 
Silver, https://www.fllt.org/profiles/akiva-silver/), animal tracking (from 
Linda Spielman, https://lindajspielman.com/), etc. We could try to organize 
"birding plus" walks and invite leaders from other disciplines. Otherwise, as 
an individual, iNaturalist and Google Lens are resources that can let one 
identify and learn on their own about what they're seeing.

Encouraging field trip participants to donate to FLLT or SPCA is an interesting 
idea. We might get into a question of which of the many worthy causes we decide 
to endorse. As club president, I'd rather not make top-down endorsements; 
instead, we could let each field trip leader decide, since they are after all 
the ones volunteering to lead.

Carbon offsetting via https://www.fingerlakesclimatefund.org/ is also an 
interesting idea. In fact, I can imagine a feature like this being incorporated 
into eBird: if on a given day you submit checklists from Myers, Long Point, 
Montezuma, and Dean's Cove, there's enough information there for the software 
to estimate the distance traveled, and thus the emission cost of that outing. 
For club Field Trips, we could also make it a conscious step to compute this, 
either estimate before or consciously check the odometer afterwards, and tell 
the participants. Much like how calorie counts are becoming commonplace on 
menus, perhaps our field trip descriptions should include an estimated carbon 
cost in dollars per vehicle.

The Christmas Bird Count is IMO the wrong thing to focus on when it comes to 
reducing driving. The count at least has a survey goal, and unless birders' 
homes happen to coincide with a decent statistical cover of the circle, 
non-local movement will be necessary. We could aim to encourage biking, but 
that requires infrastructure investments, especially in winter, and is thus a 
long term goal. The best we can do, I think, is to minimize the 
frequent-stop-and-go driving style, e.g., using Dave's leap-frogging idea when 
possible. This would apply to Atlas surveys also the rest of the year.

Chasing rarities and non-local hotspots (like Montezuma) are bigger problems, 
IMO. Unless one makes a conscious decision not to chase, carpooling is probably 
the best mitigating solution. Unfortunately, COVID is forcing us to discourage 
carpooling. To encourage birding more locally, there's the notion of adopting a 
local patch and birding it year round to see what changes, and maybe learn more 
about the rest of its non-avian biology if the birding is quiet. Or make your 
yard its own hotspot by creating habitat, planting native plants, etc.

I've been thinking of having more single-destination field trips, as opposed to 
trips that drive to multiple places. Last weekend's morning at Stewart park was 
one such trip, which turned out remarkably productive. Unfortunately, there 
aren't many good single destinations for birding in the winter months, but 
Spring would be a time to try more of this.

Suan

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] A great read for birders to consider by Bryan Pfeiffer

2021-12-10 Thread Linnea Garrepy
I have known Bryan Pfeiffer for years and find him to be conscientious and 
caring. I went with him, when he owned Vermont Bird Tours, on three incredible 
field trips in the early 2000s, which greatly increased my knowledge as well as 
life list. But Bryan's knowledge and experience go far beyond birds and 
includes butterflies, dragon and damsel flies, other insects and mammalia. He 
is one talented photographer as well! I highly recommend his news letter and 
website to view his exceptional work.



From: bounce-126138304-83680...@list.cornell.edu 
 on behalf of Dave Nutter 

Sent: Thursday, December 9, 2021 5:44 PM
To: Poppy Singer 
Cc: s...@cornell.edu ; bob mcguire 
; linda orkin ; John 
Gregoire ; CAYUGABIRDS-L 

Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] A great read for birders to consider by Bryan 
Pfeiffer

Good to hear others’ ideas, thanks!

One of Pfeiffer’s suggestions is that, as must as possible, we walk rather than 
drive on the Christmas Bird Count. I’ve made that my tradition for a number of 
years, literally just walking out my door and out on a big complicated loop for 
the morning, then off “poaching” in the afternoon (again by foot) at one of the 
hotspot parks which others already formally covered on the count. I find that 
starting the year this way keeps me in touch with the birds and people of my 
neighborhood, and of course I can do a far more thorough job birding outside of 
a car.

Before I adopted my neighborhood as a CBC territory, I shared a rural CBC 
territory with another birder. We took my small car and a spare set of keys. We 
drove to the start of a road, I dropped her off with keys at the start. Then I 
drove a mile, parked, and walked ahead while she birded and caught up to the 
car. She drove to me, we switched and I drove ahead. We leapfrogged, all 
birding on foot, and neither the people nor the car backtracked, so neither 
time nor fuel were not wasted, we didn’t get too cold, and we checked in 
regularly.

- - Dave Nutter

On Dec 9, 2021, at 9:02 AM, Poppy Singer 
mailto:poppysinger.ith...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I appreciated the author saying that he has shifted his focus to learning more 
of the local flora and fauna. Along this line, perhaps we could combine bird 
walks with plant walks?

On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 8:31 AM Stephanie P. Herrick 
mailto:s...@cornell.edu>> wrote:
I like this idea Bob,  for two reasons:

1. It benefits two worthy and appropriate local groups
2. The very act of making a mindful contribution encourages us to reflect on 
why we are doing it

Thanks for suggesting!   Looking forward to others thoughts!

- S

From: 
bounce-126137445-82496...@list.cornell.edu
 
mailto:bounce-126137445-82496...@list.cornell.edu>>
 on behalf of bob mcguire 
mailto:bmcgu...@clarityconnect.com>>
Sent: Thursday, December 9, 2021 8:20:11 AM
To: Dave Nutter mailto:nutter.d...@me.com>>
Cc: linda orkin mailto:wingmagi...@gmail.com>>; John 
Gregoire mailto:johnandsuegrego...@gmail.com>>; 
CAYUGABIRDS-L 
mailto:cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu>>
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] A great read for birders to consider by Bryan 
Pfeiffer

Me too (a movement here?).

And I have one small idea on how to deal with it. Bird clubs organize field 
trips, and participation is free. What if each participant was encouraged (not 
required, just encouraged) to donate - say - $10 to either the Land Trust or 
the SPCA? The Land Trust because they are a major player in habitat 
conservation, and the SPCA because they (and I’d have to check this out) play a 
role in reducing the number of feral/outdoor cats. Local organizations, local 
impact.

Could something like this fly?

Bob McGuire

On Dec 8, 2021, at 4:11 PM, Dave Nutter 
mailto:nutter.d...@me.com>> wrote:

Better said than I could have, though such concerns have been brewing for me a 
long time. So, how do we deal with it? As individuals, as organizations, as 
unorganized groups? Thoughts welcome.

- - Dave Nutter

On Dec 8, 2021, at 11:02 AM, Linda Orkin 
mailto:wingmagi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Thanks John.

Yes I had also read that, with great interest. Lots to think about. I embrace 
these thoughts fully.

Linda Orkin
Ithaca, NY

On Dec 8, 2021, at 10:21 AM, John Gregoire 
mailto:johnandsuegrego...@gmail.com>> wrote:


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Re: [cayugabirds-l] A great read for birders to consider by Bryan Pfeiffer

2021-12-09 Thread Hurf Sheldon
This is a very good option for carbon offsetting:
https://www.fingerlakesclimatefund.org/
cheers,
hurf

On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 11:24 AM Regi Teasley  wrote:

> Totally agree.  I have always thought that birders are a “sleeping giant”
> that can make a *big* difference.
> Regi
>
> 
> *“If we surrendered to the earth’s intelligence, we could rise up rooted,
> like trees.” Rainer Maria Rilke*
>
>
> On Dec 9, 2021, at 8:50 AM, Donna Lee Scott  wrote:
>
>  I like this idea, Bob.
>
> Re SPCA, they do more than any other group to neuter/spay feral cats, &
> also cats of low-income people, with their free feral program & their
> low-cost program for pets of those with limited means. I sometimes trap
> ferals here & take them to SPCA.
> All animals adopted from SPCA go home neutered.
>
> And to repeat what I have recently posted at various online places:
> The Finger Lakes Land Trust really needs donations NOW for the purchase of
> the Bell Station land from NYSEG.
> for more info see www.fllt.org/savebellstation
> This explains the way this deal works.
>
>  NYS didn’t buy BS from NYSEG; nys just convinced NYSEG & Public Service
> Commission to let FLLT buy Bell Station for later transfer to NYS DEC as a
> Wildlife Mgt. Area, ensuring public access to this wonderful
> lakeshore-woods.
>
> Non-profit FLLT does a masterful job at saving land from development in
> various ways & they always emphasize that what they do creates, improves &
> saves habitat for birds & wildlife!
>
> Donna Scott
> Lansing
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 9, 2021, at 8:31 AM, Stephanie P. Herrick  wrote:
>
> 
> I like this idea Bob,  for two reasons:
>
> 1. It benefits two worthy and appropriate local groups
> 2. The very act of making a mindful contribution encourages us to reflect
> on why we are doing it
>
> Thanks for suggesting!   Looking forward to others thoughts!
>
> - S
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> bounce-126137445-82496...@list.cornell.edu> on behalf of bob mcguire <
> bmcgu...@clarityconnect.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 9, 2021 8:20:11 AM
> *To:* Dave Nutter 
> *Cc:* linda orkin ; John Gregoire <
> johnandsuegrego...@gmail.com>; CAYUGABIRDS-L <
> cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [cayugabirds-l] A great read for birders to consider by
> Bryan Pfeiffer
>
> Me too (a movement here?).
>
> And I have one small idea on how to deal with it. Bird clubs organize
> field trips, and participation is free. What if each participant was
> encouraged (not required, just encouraged) to donate - say - $10 to either
> the Land Trust or the SPCA? The Land Trust because they are a major player
> in habitat conservation, and the SPCA because they (and I’d have to check
> this out) play a role in reducing the number of feral/outdoor cats. Local
> organizations, local impact.
>
> Could something like this fly?
>
> Bob McGuire
>
> On Dec 8, 2021, at 4:11 PM, Dave Nutter  wrote:
>
> Better said than I could have, though such concerns have been brewing for
> me a long time. So, how do we deal with it? As individuals, as
> organizations, as unorganized groups? Thoughts welcome.
>
> - - Dave Nutter
>
> On Dec 8, 2021, at 11:02 AM, Linda Orkin  wrote:
>
> Thanks John.
>
> Yes I had also read that, with great interest. Lots to think about. I
> embrace these thoughts fully.
>
> Linda Orkin
> Ithaca, NY
>
> On Dec 8, 2021, at 10:21 AM, John Gregoire 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Birdwatching’s Carbon Problem | Bryan Pfeiffer
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] A great read for birders to consider by Bryan Pfeiffer

2021-12-09 Thread Dave Nutter
Good to hear others’ ideas, thanks!

One of Pfeiffer’s suggestions is that, as must as possible, we walk rather than 
drive on the Christmas Bird Count. I’ve made that my tradition for a number of 
years, literally just walking out my door and out on a big complicated loop for 
the morning, then off “poaching” in the afternoon (again by foot) at one of the 
hotspot parks which others already formally covered on the count. I find that 
starting the year this way keeps me in touch with the birds and people of my 
neighborhood, and of course I can do a far more thorough job birding outside of 
a car. 

Before I adopted my neighborhood as a CBC territory, I shared a rural CBC 
territory with another birder. We took my small car and a spare set of keys. We 
drove to the start of a road, I dropped her off with keys at the start. Then I 
drove a mile, parked, and walked ahead while she birded and caught up to the 
car. She drove to me, we switched and I drove ahead. We leapfrogged, all 
birding on foot, and neither the people nor the car backtracked, so neither 
time nor fuel were not wasted, we didn’t get too cold, and we checked in 
regularly. 

- - Dave Nutter

> On Dec 9, 2021, at 9:02 AM, Poppy Singer  wrote:
> 
> I appreciated the author saying that he has shifted his focus to learning 
> more of the local flora and fauna. Along this line, perhaps we could combine 
> bird walks with plant walks?
> 
>> On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 8:31 AM Stephanie P. Herrick  wrote:
>> I like this idea Bob,  for two reasons:
>> 
>> 1. It benefits two worthy and appropriate local groups
>> 2. The very act of making a mindful contribution encourages us to reflect on 
>> why we are doing it
>> 
>> Thanks for suggesting!   Looking forward to others thoughts!   
>> 
>> - S
>> From: bounce-126137445-82496...@list.cornell.edu 
>>  on behalf of bob mcguire 
>> 
>> Sent: Thursday, December 9, 2021 8:20:11 AM
>> To: Dave Nutter 
>> Cc: linda orkin ; John Gregoire 
>> ; CAYUGABIRDS-L 
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] A great read for birders to consider by Bryan 
>> Pfeiffer
>>  
>> Me too (a movement here?).   
>> 
>> And I have one small idea on how to deal with it. Bird clubs organize field 
>> trips, and participation is free. What if each participant was encouraged 
>> (not required, just encouraged) to donate - say - $10 to either the Land 
>> Trust or the SPCA? The Land Trust because they are a major player in habitat 
>> conservation, and the SPCA because they (and I’d have to check this out) 
>> play a role in reducing the number of feral/outdoor cats. Local 
>> organizations, local impact. 
>> 
>> Could something like this fly?  
>> 
>> Bob McGuire
>> 
>>> On Dec 8, 2021, at 4:11 PM, Dave Nutter  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Better said than I could have, though such concerns have been brewing for 
>>> me a long time. So, how do we deal with it? As individuals, as 
>>> organizations, as unorganized groups? Thoughts welcome. 
>>> 
>>> - - Dave Nutter
>>> 
>>> On Dec 8, 2021, at 11:02 AM, Linda Orkin  wrote:
>>> 
 Thanks John. 
 
 Yes I had also read that, with great interest. Lots to think about. I 
 embrace these thoughts fully. 
 
 Linda Orkin
 Ithaca, NY
 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] A great read for birders to consider by Bryan Pfeiffer

2021-12-09 Thread Astrid Jirka
It's good to see this issue being brought to light folks. Another
organization to consider that is directly involved in local carbon
offsetting initiatives in Tompkins County is the Sustainable Tompkins
Fingerlakes Climate Fund. The Cayuga Bird Club could have an account with
them under their Carbon Race project. Any time anyone ever travels, for
birding purposes or otherwise, they could donate funds via the Club's
account. ST will do the carbon calculation for you.

Here's some info: https://www.fingerlakesclimatefund.org/

Thanks to everyone paying attention out there and for sharing the article
Linda.

*Astrid Jirka*
Director of Tourism Initiatives
~~~
Discover Cayuga Lake - "Tourism with a Mission"
www.discovercayugalake.org 
Tompkins Center for History & Culture, Suite 303
607-327-LAKE (5253)


On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 11:24 AM Regi Teasley  wrote:

> Totally agree.  I have always thought that birders are a “sleeping giant”
> that can make a *big* difference.
> Regi
>
> 
> *“If we surrendered to the earth’s intelligence, we could rise up rooted,
> like trees.” Rainer Maria Rilke*
>
>
> On Dec 9, 2021, at 8:50 AM, Donna Lee Scott  wrote:
>
>  I like this idea, Bob.
>
> Re SPCA, they do more than any other group to neuter/spay feral cats, &
> also cats of low-income people, with their free feral program & their
> low-cost program for pets of those with limited means. I sometimes trap
> ferals here & take them to SPCA.
> All animals adopted from SPCA go home neutered.
>
> And to repeat what I have recently posted at various online places:
> The Finger Lakes Land Trust really needs donations NOW for the purchase of
> the Bell Station land from NYSEG.
> for more info see www.fllt.org/savebellstation
> This explains the way this deal works.
>
>  NYS didn’t buy BS from NYSEG; nys just convinced NYSEG & Public Service
> Commission to let FLLT buy Bell Station for later transfer to NYS DEC as a
> Wildlife Mgt. Area, ensuring public access to this wonderful
> lakeshore-woods.
>
> Non-profit FLLT does a masterful job at saving land from development in
> various ways & they always emphasize that what they do creates, improves &
> saves habitat for birds & wildlife!
>
> Donna Scott
> Lansing
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 9, 2021, at 8:31 AM, Stephanie P. Herrick  wrote:
>
> 
> I like this idea Bob,  for two reasons:
>
> 1. It benefits two worthy and appropriate local groups
> 2. The very act of making a mindful contribution encourages us to reflect
> on why we are doing it
>
> Thanks for suggesting!   Looking forward to others thoughts!
>
> - S
> --
> *From:* bounce-126137445-82496...@list.cornell.edu <
> bounce-126137445-82496...@list.cornell.edu> on behalf of bob mcguire <
> bmcgu...@clarityconnect.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 9, 2021 8:20:11 AM
> *To:* Dave Nutter 
> *Cc:* linda orkin ; John Gregoire <
> johnandsuegrego...@gmail.com>; CAYUGABIRDS-L <
> cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [cayugabirds-l] A great read for birders to consider by
> Bryan Pfeiffer
>
> Me too (a movement here?).
>
> And I have one small idea on how to deal with it. Bird clubs organize
> field trips, and participation is free. What if each participant was
> encouraged (not required, just encouraged) to donate - say - $10 to either
> the Land Trust or the SPCA? The Land Trust because they are a major player
> in habitat conservation, and the SPCA because they (and I’d have to check
> this out) play a role in reducing the number of feral/outdoor cats. Local
> organizations, local impact.
>
> Could something like this fly?
>
> Bob McGuire
>
> On Dec 8, 2021, at 4:11 PM, Dave Nutter  wrote:
>
> Better said than I could have, though such concerns have been brewing for
> me a long time. So, how do we deal with it? As individuals, as
> organizations, as unorganized groups? Thoughts welcome.
>
> - - Dave Nutter
>
> On Dec 8, 2021, at 11:02 AM, Linda Orkin  wrote:
>
> Thanks John.
>
> Yes I had also read that, with great interest. Lots to think about. I
> embrace these thoughts fully.
>
> Linda Orkin
> Ithaca, NY
>
> On Dec 8, 2021, at 10:21 AM, John Gregoire 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Birdwatching’s Carbon Problem | Bryan Pfeiffer
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] A great read for birders to consider by Bryan Pfeiffer

2021-12-09 Thread Regi Teasley
Totally agree.  I have always thought that birders are a “sleeping giant” that 
can make a big difference.
Regi


“If we surrendered to the earth’s intelligence, we could rise up rooted, like 
trees.” Rainer Maria Rilke


> On Dec 9, 2021, at 8:50 AM, Donna Lee Scott  wrote:
> 
>  I like this idea, Bob. 
> 
> Re SPCA, they do more than any other group to neuter/spay feral cats, & also 
> cats of low-income people, with their free feral program & their low-cost 
> program for pets of those with limited means. I sometimes trap ferals here & 
> take them to SPCA. 
> All animals adopted from SPCA go home neutered. 
> 
> And to repeat what I have recently posted at various online places: 
> The Finger Lakes Land Trust really needs donations NOW for the purchase of 
> the Bell Station land from NYSEG. 
> for more info see www.fllt.org/savebellstation
> This explains the way this deal works.
> 
>  NYS didn’t buy BS from NYSEG; nys just convinced NYSEG & Public Service 
> Commission to let FLLT buy Bell Station for later transfer to NYS DEC as a 
> Wildlife Mgt. Area, ensuring public access to this wonderful lakeshore-woods. 
> 
> Non-profit FLLT does a masterful job at saving land from development in 
> various ways & they always emphasize that what they do creates, improves & 
> saves habitat for birds & wildlife!
> 
> Donna Scott
> Lansing
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Dec 9, 2021, at 8:31 AM, Stephanie P. Herrick  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> I like this idea Bob,  for two reasons:
>> 
>> 1. It benefits two worthy and appropriate local groups
>> 2. The very act of making a mindful contribution encourages us to reflect on 
>> why we are doing it
>> 
>> Thanks for suggesting!   Looking forward to others thoughts!   
>> 
>> - S
>> From: bounce-126137445-82496...@list.cornell.edu 
>>  on behalf of bob mcguire 
>> 
>> Sent: Thursday, December 9, 2021 8:20:11 AM
>> To: Dave Nutter 
>> Cc: linda orkin ; John Gregoire 
>> ; CAYUGABIRDS-L 
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] A great read for birders to consider by Bryan 
>> Pfeiffer
>>  
>> Me too (a movement here?).   
>> 
>> And I have one small idea on how to deal with it. Bird clubs organize field 
>> trips, and participation is free. What if each participant was encouraged 
>> (not required, just encouraged) to donate - say - $10 to either the Land 
>> Trust or the SPCA? The Land Trust because they are a major player in habitat 
>> conservation, and the SPCA because they (and I’d have to check this out) 
>> play a role in reducing the number of feral/outdoor cats. Local 
>> organizations, local impact. 
>> 
>> Could something like this fly?  
>> 
>> Bob McGuire
>> 
>>> On Dec 8, 2021, at 4:11 PM, Dave Nutter  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Better said than I could have, though such concerns have been brewing for 
>>> me a long time. So, how do we deal with it? As individuals, as 
>>> organizations, as unorganized groups? Thoughts welcome. 
>>> 
>>> - - Dave Nutter
>>> 
>>> On Dec 8, 2021, at 11:02 AM, Linda Orkin  wrote:
>>> 
 Thanks John. 
 
 Yes I had also read that, with great interest. Lots to think about. I 
 embrace these thoughts fully. 
 
 Linda Orkin
 Ithaca, NY
 
> On Dec 8, 2021, at 10:21 AM, John Gregoire  
> wrote:
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> 
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RE: [cayugabirds-l] A great read for birders to consider by Bryan Pfeiffer

2021-12-09 Thread Jane Frances Bunker
I love the idea of including a focus on plants and insects as well as birds, 
and am guessing there is plenty of expertise in this group to do so. Or we 
could also reach out to like-minded organizations to partner/collaborate in 
this way. A focus on the broader ecosystem makes great sense, a la Doug Tallamy.

From: bounce-126137580-90604...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Poppy Singer
Sent: Thursday, December 9, 2021 9:13 AM
To: Stephanie P. Herrick 
Cc: bob mcguire ; Dave Nutter 
; linda orkin ; John Gregoire 
; CAYUGABIRDS-L 
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] A great read for birders to consider by Bryan 
Pfeiffer

It would be fun to learn about insects as well!

On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 9:02 AM Poppy Singer 
mailto:poppysinger.ith...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I appreciated the author saying that he has shifted his focus to learning more 
of the local flora and fauna. Along this line, perhaps we could combine bird 
walks with plant walks?

On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 8:31 AM Stephanie P. Herrick 
mailto:s...@cornell.edu>> wrote:
I like this idea Bob,  for two reasons:

1. It benefits two worthy and appropriate local groups
2. The very act of making a mindful contribution encourages us to reflect on 
why we are doing it

Thanks for suggesting!   Looking forward to others thoughts!

- S

From: 
bounce-126137445-82496...@list.cornell.edu
 
mailto:bounce-126137445-82496...@list.cornell.edu>>
 on behalf of bob mcguire 
mailto:bmcgu...@clarityconnect.com>>
Sent: Thursday, December 9, 2021 8:20:11 AM
To: Dave Nutter mailto:nutter.d...@me.com>>
Cc: linda orkin mailto:wingmagi...@gmail.com>>; John 
Gregoire mailto:johnandsuegrego...@gmail.com>>; 
CAYUGABIRDS-L 
mailto:cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu>>
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] A great read for birders to consider by Bryan 
Pfeiffer

Me too (a movement here?).

And I have one small idea on how to deal with it. Bird clubs organize field 
trips, and participation is free. What if each participant was encouraged (not 
required, just encouraged) to donate - say - $10 to either the Land Trust or 
the SPCA? The Land Trust because they are a major player in habitat 
conservation, and the SPCA because they (and I’d have to check this out) play a 
role in reducing the number of feral/outdoor cats. Local organizations, local 
impact.

Could something like this fly?

Bob McGuire


On Dec 8, 2021, at 4:11 PM, Dave Nutter 
mailto:nutter.d...@me.com>> wrote:

Better said than I could have, though such concerns have been brewing for me a 
long time. So, how do we deal with it? As individuals, as organizations, as 
unorganized groups? Thoughts welcome.
- - Dave Nutter

On Dec 8, 2021, at 11:02 AM, Linda Orkin 
mailto:wingmagi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Thanks John.

Yes I had also read that, with great interest. Lots to think about. I embrace 
these thoughts fully.

Linda Orkin
Ithaca, NY


On Dec 8, 2021, at 10:21 AM, John Gregoire 
mailto:johnandsuegrego...@gmail.com>> wrote:

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] A great read for birders to consider by Bryan Pfeiffer

2021-12-09 Thread Poppy Singer
It would be fun to learn about insects as well!

On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 9:02 AM Poppy Singer 
wrote:

> I appreciated the author saying that he has shifted his focus to learning
> more of the local flora and fauna. Along this line, perhaps we could
> combine bird walks with plant walks?
>
> On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 8:31 AM Stephanie P. Herrick 
> wrote:
>
>> I like this idea Bob,  for two reasons:
>>
>> 1. It benefits two worthy and appropriate local groups
>> 2. The very act of making a mindful contribution encourages us to reflect
>> on why we are doing it
>>
>> Thanks for suggesting!   Looking forward to others thoughts!
>>
>> - S
>> --
>> *From:* bounce-126137445-82496...@list.cornell.edu <
>> bounce-126137445-82496...@list.cornell.edu> on behalf of bob mcguire <
>> bmcgu...@clarityconnect.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 9, 2021 8:20:11 AM
>> *To:* Dave Nutter 
>> *Cc:* linda orkin ; John Gregoire <
>> johnandsuegrego...@gmail.com>; CAYUGABIRDS-L <
>> cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu>
>> *Subject:* Re: [cayugabirds-l] A great read for birders to consider by
>> Bryan Pfeiffer
>>
>> Me too (a movement here?).
>>
>> And I have one small idea on how to deal with it. Bird clubs organize
>> field trips, and participation is free. What if each participant was
>> encouraged (not required, just encouraged) to donate - say - $10 to either
>> the Land Trust or the SPCA? The Land Trust because they are a major player
>> in habitat conservation, and the SPCA because they (and I’d have to check
>> this out) play a role in reducing the number of feral/outdoor cats. Local
>> organizations, local impact.
>>
>> Could something like this fly?
>>
>> Bob McGuire
>>
>> On Dec 8, 2021, at 4:11 PM, Dave Nutter  wrote:
>>
>> Better said than I could have, though such concerns have been brewing for
>> me a long time. So, how do we deal with it? As individuals, as
>> organizations, as unorganized groups? Thoughts welcome.
>>
>> - - Dave Nutter
>>
>> On Dec 8, 2021, at 11:02 AM, Linda Orkin  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks John.
>>
>> Yes I had also read that, with great interest. Lots to think about. I
>> embrace these thoughts fully.
>>
>> Linda Orkin
>> Ithaca, NY
>>
>> On Dec 8, 2021, at 10:21 AM, John Gregoire 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Birdwatching’s Carbon Problem | Bryan Pfeiffer
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2021-12-09 Thread Poppy Singer
I appreciated the author saying that he has shifted his focus to learning
more of the local flora and fauna. Along this line, perhaps we could
combine bird walks with plant walks?

On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 8:31 AM Stephanie P. Herrick 
wrote:

> I like this idea Bob,  for two reasons:
>
> 1. It benefits two worthy and appropriate local groups
> 2. The very act of making a mindful contribution encourages us to reflect
> on why we are doing it
>
> Thanks for suggesting!   Looking forward to others thoughts!
>
> - S
> --
> *From:* bounce-126137445-82496...@list.cornell.edu <
> bounce-126137445-82496...@list.cornell.edu> on behalf of bob mcguire <
> bmcgu...@clarityconnect.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 9, 2021 8:20:11 AM
> *To:* Dave Nutter 
> *Cc:* linda orkin ; John Gregoire <
> johnandsuegrego...@gmail.com>; CAYUGABIRDS-L <
> cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [cayugabirds-l] A great read for birders to consider by
> Bryan Pfeiffer
>
> Me too (a movement here?).
>
> And I have one small idea on how to deal with it. Bird clubs organize
> field trips, and participation is free. What if each participant was
> encouraged (not required, just encouraged) to donate - say - $10 to either
> the Land Trust or the SPCA? The Land Trust because they are a major player
> in habitat conservation, and the SPCA because they (and I’d have to check
> this out) play a role in reducing the number of feral/outdoor cats. Local
> organizations, local impact.
>
> Could something like this fly?
>
> Bob McGuire
>
> On Dec 8, 2021, at 4:11 PM, Dave Nutter  wrote:
>
> Better said than I could have, though such concerns have been brewing for
> me a long time. So, how do we deal with it? As individuals, as
> organizations, as unorganized groups? Thoughts welcome.
>
> - - Dave Nutter
>
> On Dec 8, 2021, at 11:02 AM, Linda Orkin  wrote:
>
> Thanks John.
>
> Yes I had also read that, with great interest. Lots to think about. I
> embrace these thoughts fully.
>
> Linda Orkin
> Ithaca, NY
>
> On Dec 8, 2021, at 10:21 AM, John Gregoire 
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> Birdwatching’s Carbon Problem | Bryan Pfeiffer
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2021-12-09 Thread Donna Lee Scott
I like this idea, Bob.

Re SPCA, they do more than any other group to neuter/spay feral cats, & also 
cats of low-income people, with their free feral program & their low-cost 
program for pets of those with limited means. I sometimes trap ferals here & 
take them to SPCA.
All animals adopted from SPCA go home neutered.

And to repeat what I have recently posted at various online places:
The Finger Lakes Land Trust really needs donations NOW for the purchase of the 
Bell Station land from NYSEG.
for more info see www.fllt.org/savebellstation
This explains the way this deal works.

 NYS didn’t buy BS from NYSEG; nys just convinced NYSEG & Public Service 
Commission to let FLLT buy Bell Station for later transfer to NYS DEC as a 
Wildlife Mgt. Area, ensuring public access to this wonderful lakeshore-woods.

Non-profit FLLT does a masterful job at saving land from development in various 
ways & they always emphasize that what they do creates, improves & saves 
habitat for birds & wildlife!

Donna Scott
Lansing
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 9, 2021, at 8:31 AM, Stephanie P. Herrick  wrote:


I like this idea Bob,  for two reasons:

1. It benefits two worthy and appropriate local groups
2. The very act of making a mindful contribution encourages us to reflect on 
why we are doing it

Thanks for suggesting!   Looking forward to others thoughts!

- S

From: bounce-126137445-82496...@list.cornell.edu 
 on behalf of bob mcguire 

Sent: Thursday, December 9, 2021 8:20:11 AM
To: Dave Nutter 
Cc: linda orkin ; John Gregoire 
; CAYUGABIRDS-L 
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] A great read for birders to consider by Bryan 
Pfeiffer

Me too (a movement here?).

And I have one small idea on how to deal with it. Bird clubs organize field 
trips, and participation is free. What if each participant was encouraged (not 
required, just encouraged) to donate - say - $10 to either the Land Trust or 
the SPCA? The Land Trust because they are a major player in habitat 
conservation, and the SPCA because they (and I’d have to check this out) play a 
role in reducing the number of feral/outdoor cats. Local organizations, local 
impact.

Could something like this fly?

Bob McGuire

On Dec 8, 2021, at 4:11 PM, Dave Nutter 
mailto:nutter.d...@me.com>> wrote:

Better said than I could have, though such concerns have been brewing for me a 
long time. So, how do we deal with it? As individuals, as organizations, as 
unorganized groups? Thoughts welcome.

- - Dave Nutter

On Dec 8, 2021, at 11:02 AM, Linda Orkin 
mailto:wingmagi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Thanks John.

Yes I had also read that, with great interest. Lots to think about. I embrace 
these thoughts fully.

Linda Orkin
Ithaca, NY

On Dec 8, 2021, at 10:21 AM, John Gregoire 
mailto:johnandsuegrego...@gmail.com>> wrote:


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2021-12-09 Thread Stephanie P. Herrick
I like this idea Bob,  for two reasons:

1. It benefits two worthy and appropriate local groups
2. The very act of making a mindful contribution encourages us to reflect on 
why we are doing it

Thanks for suggesting!   Looking forward to others thoughts!

- S

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Me too (a movement here?).

And I have one small idea on how to deal with it. Bird clubs organize field 
trips, and participation is free. What if each participant was encouraged (not 
required, just encouraged) to donate - say - $10 to either the Land Trust or 
the SPCA? The Land Trust because they are a major player in habitat 
conservation, and the SPCA because they (and I’d have to check this out) play a 
role in reducing the number of feral/outdoor cats. Local organizations, local 
impact.

Could something like this fly?

Bob McGuire

On Dec 8, 2021, at 4:11 PM, Dave Nutter 
mailto:nutter.d...@me.com>> wrote:

Better said than I could have, though such concerns have been brewing for me a 
long time. So, how do we deal with it? As individuals, as organizations, as 
unorganized groups? Thoughts welcome.

- - Dave Nutter

On Dec 8, 2021, at 11:02 AM, Linda Orkin 
mailto:wingmagi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Thanks John.

Yes I had also read that, with great interest. Lots to think about. I embrace 
these thoughts fully.

Linda Orkin
Ithaca, NY

On Dec 8, 2021, at 10:21 AM, John Gregoire 
mailto:johnandsuegrego...@gmail.com>> wrote:


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Re: [cayugabirds-l] A great read for birders to consider by Bryan Pfeiffer

2021-12-09 Thread bob mcguire
Me too (a movement here?).   

And I have one small idea on how to deal with it. Bird clubs organize field 
trips, and participation is free. What if each participant was encouraged (not 
required, just encouraged) to donate - say - $10 to either the Land Trust or 
the SPCA? The Land Trust because they are a major player in habitat 
conservation, and the SPCA because they (and I’d have to check this out) play a 
role in reducing the number of feral/outdoor cats. Local organizations, local 
impact. 

Could something like this fly?  

Bob McGuire

> On Dec 8, 2021, at 4:11 PM, Dave Nutter  wrote:
> 
> Better said than I could have, though such concerns have been brewing for me 
> a long time. So, how do we deal with it? As individuals, as organizations, as 
> unorganized groups? Thoughts welcome. 
> 
> - - Dave Nutter
> 
> On Dec 8, 2021, at 11:02 AM, Linda Orkin  > wrote:
> 
>> Thanks John. 
>> 
>> Yes I had also read that, with great interest. Lots to think about. I 
>> embrace these thoughts fully. 
>> 
>> Linda Orkin
>> Ithaca, NY
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] A great read for birders to consider by Bryan Pfeiffer

2021-12-08 Thread Dave Nutter
Better said than I could have, though such concerns have been brewing for me a 
long time. So, how do we deal with it? As individuals, as organizations, as 
unorganized groups? Thoughts welcome. 

- - Dave Nutter

> On Dec 8, 2021, at 11:02 AM, Linda Orkin  wrote:
> 
> Thanks John. 
> 
> Yes I had also read that, with great interest. Lots to think about. I embrace 
> these thoughts fully. 
> 
> Linda Orkin
> Ithaca, NY
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] A great read for birders to consider by Bryan Pfeiffer

2021-12-08 Thread Linda Orkin
Thanks John. 

Yes I had also read that, with great interest. Lots to think about. I embrace 
these thoughts fully. 

Linda Orkin
Ithaca, NY

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