RE: [cayugabirds-l] When to stop feeding hummers AND Orioles

[Marty Schlabach]

We keep our hummingbird feeder up quite late, ever since 2012 when we had a 
Rufus Hummer coming to our feeder into November.  Now  hoping that lightning 
will strike twice in the same spot and we get another one.
--Marty
Interlaken

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Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] When to stop feeding hummers AND Orioles

There have been people over the years that have left their hummingbird feeders 
up well into the Fall and have helped straggler Ruby-throated and even other 
rarity hummingbirds. Into November, it is occasional for extreme wandering of 
species, and hummingbird feeders left up can provide crucial aid for these 
off-course, usually nutrient deprived, birds.

Nick Kachala
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On Aug 16, 2017 9:07 AM, "Peter" 
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Can someone suggest an appropriate time to stop feeding hummers sugar water and 
orioles jelly?
Thanks
Pete Sar



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Re: [cayugabirds-l] When to stop feeding hummers AND Orioles

[Nicholas Kachala]

There have been people over the years that have left their hummingbird
feeders up well into the Fall and have helped straggler Ruby-throated and
even other rarity hummingbirds. Into November, it is occasional for extreme
wandering of species, and hummingbird feeders left up can provide crucial
aid for these off-course, usually nutrient deprived, birds.

Nick Kachala
nicholaskach@gmail

On Aug 16, 2017 9:07 AM, "Peter"  wrote:


Can someone suggest an appropriate time to stop feeding hummers sugar water
and orioles jelly?
Thanks
Pete Sar



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RE: [cayugabirds-l] When to stop feeding hummers AND Orioles

[Marie P. Read]

It shouldn't be a concern for any migratory birds. At least that's true for the 
so-called "obligatory migrants". They are responding to changing light 
levels...that's what gives them the drive to migrate. A cold front followed by 
a good tail wind may be an impetus too. Feeding them won't trick them into 
staying...

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From: Peter [psara...@rochester.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 3:43 PM
To: Linda Orkin; Marie P. Read
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Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] When to stop feeding hummers AND Orioles

Yes. My concern is that I hear tell keep feeders up for both hummers and 
orioles will "trick" them into staying longer than they should.

I've been told this is not a concern for hummers. How about Orioles?
Thanks

Pete

On 8/16/2017 1:46 PM, Linda Orkin wrote:
And when all have migrated through. It is my understanding that migratory 
hummingbirds are able to find and utilize feeders as they travel.

https://www.thespruce.com/when-to-take-down-hummingbird-feeders-385959

Linda Orkin
Ithaca, NY


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After they've left on migration!
Feeding them isn't going to prevent them from migrating, if that's what you 
were worried about.

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Can someone suggest an appropriate time to stop feeding hummers sugar water and 
orioles jelly?
Thanks
Pete Sar




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Re: [cayugabirds-l] When to stop feeding hummers AND Orioles

[Asher Hockett]

There are greater forces at play in the mechanisms which trigger migration
than the availability of food at feeders. We understand to some extent
that, on a grand scale, birds which migrate long distances are driven to do
so (or evolved to do so) by the availability and huge disparity
quantity-wise of food between their summer and winter habitats, factors
like daylight period and other environmental parameters play a huge role in
stimulating the urge to migrate.

There may be an odd bird which clings to a local food source longer than
the rest of it's species, but they are clearly in the minority and I don't
think embracing the "blame" for this is of much use. If a bird fails to
survive because it remains behind too long, this is selection at work.

"Real" scientist ornithologists can speak to this with authority - this is
just a reader's digest version from my own meager knowledge.

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Peter  wrote:

> Yes. My concern is that I hear tell keep feeders up for both hummers and
> orioles will "trick" them into staying longer than they should.
>
> I've been told this is not a concern for hummers. How about Orioles?
> Thanks
>
> Pete
>
> On 8/16/2017 1:46 PM, Linda Orkin wrote:
>
> And when all have migrated through. It is my understanding that migratory
> hummingbirds are able to find and utilize feeders as they travel.
>
> https://www.thespruce.com/when-to-take-down-hummingbird-feeders-385959
>
> Linda Orkin
> Ithaca, NY
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Marie P. Read  wrote:
>
>> After they've left on migration!
>> Feeding them isn't going to prevent them from migrating, if that's what
>> you were worried about.
>>
>> Marie
>>
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>> 452 Ringwood Road
>> Freeville NY  13068 USA
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>> From: bounce-121727479-5851...@list.cornell.edu [
>> bounce-121727479-5851...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Peter [
>> psara...@rochester.rr.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 9:02 AM
>> To: Jay McGowan; CAYUGABIRDS-L
>> Subject: [cayugabirds-l] When to stop feeding hummers AND Orioles
>>
>> Can someone suggest an appropriate time to stop feeding hummers sugar
>> water and orioles jelly?
>> Thanks
>> Pete Sar
>>
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] When to stop feeding hummers AND Orioles

[Jody Enck]

Hi Pete,

Don't worry about either the Hummingbirds or the Orioles.  Food
availability is not really a driver in migration timing for any species.
That would be quite maladaptive.  Other cues, including but not limited to
day length, sometimes combined with wind direction, atmospheric pressure,
tilt of the Earth (as evidenced by changing night sky), and other things.
I am simply trying to say that you should not feel guilty at all of leaving
your feeders up (or taking them down) when it suites you.  It is wonderful
that you feed them when you do, and I hope you feel good about that.  I
plan to leave my hummingbird and oriole feeders up until we have a chance
for a hard frost.  There is plenty of food out there now for nectar and
fruit feeders, but some late migrants might really appreciate your feeders
when the nights start getting frosty!

Take care
Jody

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Peter  wrote:

> Yes. My concern is that I hear tell keep feeders up for both hummers and
> orioles will "trick" them into staying longer than they should.
>
> I've been told this is not a concern for hummers. How about Orioles?
> Thanks
>
> Pete
>
> On 8/16/2017 1:46 PM, Linda Orkin wrote:
>
> And when all have migrated through. It is my understanding that migratory
> hummingbirds are able to find and utilize feeders as they travel.
>
> https://www.thespruce.com/when-to-take-down-hummingbird-feeders-385959
>
> Linda Orkin
> Ithaca, NY
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Marie P. Read  wrote:
>
>> After they've left on migration!
>> Feeding them isn't going to prevent them from migrating, if that's what
>> you were worried about.
>>
>> Marie
>>
>> Marie Read Wildlife Photography
>> 452 Ringwood Road
>> Freeville NY  13068 USA
>>
>> Phone  607-539-6608
>> e-mail   m...@cornell.edu
>>
>> Website: http://www.marieread.com
>> Follow me on Facebook:  https://www.facebook.com/Marie
>> -Read-Wildlife-Photography-104356136271727/
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>> From: bounce-121727479-5851...@list.cornell.edu [
>> bounce-121727479-5851...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Peter [
>> psara...@rochester.rr.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 9:02 AM
>> To: Jay McGowan; CAYUGABIRDS-L
>> Subject: [cayugabirds-l] When to stop feeding hummers AND Orioles
>>
>> Can someone suggest an appropriate time to stop feeding hummers sugar
>> water and orioles jelly?
>> Thanks
>> Pete Sar
>>
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] When to stop feeding hummers AND Orioles

[Peter]

Yes. My concern is that I hear tell keep feeders up for both hummers and 
orioles will "trick" them into staying longer than they should.

I've been told this is not a concern for hummers. How about Orioles?
Thanks

Pete


On 8/16/2017 1:46 PM, Linda Orkin wrote:
> And when all have migrated through. It is my understanding that 
> migratory hummingbirds are able to find and utilize feeders as they 
> travel.
>
> https://www.thespruce.com/when-to-take-down-hummingbird-feeders-385959
>
> Linda Orkin
> Ithaca, NY
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Marie P. Read  > wrote:
>
> After they've left on migration!
> Feeding them isn't going to prevent them from migrating, if that's
> what you were worried about.
>
> Marie
>
> Marie Read Wildlife Photography
> 452 Ringwood Road
> Freeville NY  13068 USA
>
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> e-mail m...@cornell.edu 
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> Subject: [cayugabirds-l] When to stop feeding hummers AND Orioles
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> Can someone suggest an appropriate time to stop feeding hummers
> sugar water and orioles jelly?
> Thanks
> Pete Sar
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RE: [cayugabirds-l] When to stop feeding hummers AND Orioles - clarification

[Marie P. Read]

I guess I am a bit too literal-minded and misunderstood what Pete was asking.

In answer to a slightly different question "When is the latest that 
hummingbirds and orioles are around so that I can take down my feeders (which 
at that point may or may not be attracting any birds anyway)? ": for 
hummingbirds my experience has been the middle to the end of September, I 
usually have hummingbirds up until September 19th or so. For orioles, I 
couldn't say but maybe someone else could offer an opinion.

A slight diversion, I had a family of orioles feeding in the trumpet vines in 
my yard...they seemed to be pecking at the base of each open 
flower...presumably to get at the nectar inside (although maybe to get insects 
too?). Anyway I enjoyed seeing this cool behavior although they basically 
trashed the flowers!

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From: Linda Orkin [wingmagi...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 1:46 PM
To: Marie P. Read
Cc: Peter; CAYUGABIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] When to stop feeding hummers AND Orioles

And when all have migrated through. It is my understanding that migratory 
hummingbirds are able to find and utilize feeders as they travel.

https://www.thespruce.com/when-to-take-down-hummingbird-feeders-385959

Linda Orkin
Ithaca, NY


On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Marie P. Read 
<m...@cornell.edu<mailto:m...@cornell.edu>> wrote:
After they've left on migration!
Feeding them isn't going to prevent them from migrating, if that's what you 
were worried about.

Subject: [cayugabirds-l] When to stop feeding hummers AND Orioles

Can someone suggest an appropriate time to stop feeding hummers sugar water and 
orioles jelly?
Thanks
Pete Sar


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Re: [cayugabirds-l] When to stop feeding hummers AND Orioles

[Linda Orkin]

And when all have migrated through. It is my understanding that migratory
hummingbirds are able to find and utilize feeders as they travel.

https://www.thespruce.com/when-to-take-down-hummingbird-feeders-385959

Linda Orkin
Ithaca, NY


On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Marie P. Read  wrote:

> After they've left on migration!
> Feeding them isn't going to prevent them from migrating, if that's what
> you were worried about.
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> Can someone suggest an appropriate time to stop feeding hummers sugar
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> Thanks
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RE: [cayugabirds-l] When to stop feeding hummers AND Orioles

[Marie P. Read]

After they've left on migration!
Feeding them isn't going to prevent them from migrating, if that's what you 
were worried about.

Marie

Marie Read Wildlife Photography
452 Ringwood Road
Freeville NY  13068 USA

Phone  607-539-6608
e-mail   m...@cornell.edu

Website: http://www.marieread.com
Follow me on Facebook:  
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From: bounce-121727479-5851...@list.cornell.edu 
[bounce-121727479-5851...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Peter 
[psara...@rochester.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 9:02 AM
To: Jay McGowan; CAYUGABIRDS-L
Subject: [cayugabirds-l] When to stop feeding hummers AND Orioles

Can someone suggest an appropriate time to stop feeding hummers sugar water and 
orioles jelly?
Thanks
Pete Sar




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