Re: [ccp4bb] validating ligand density

2013-03-12 Thread Robbie Joosten
Dear Srinivasan, Although the Twilight program can only look at deposited PDB entries, the tips about ligand validation in the paper are very useful. I suggest you start from there. You can use EDSTATS in CCP4 to get real-space validation scores. Also look at the difference map metrics it gives

Re: [ccp4bb] validating ligand density

2013-03-12 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Srinivasan, The first thing I would do is to look very carefully at the electron density maps: Does it look like a bunch of water molecules, or is continuous density present? Could it be some buffer component (Tris, Hepes, sulfate, DMSO etc) or the counter ion of your ligand or the

Re: [ccp4bb] validating ligand density

2013-03-12 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I guess I have known lots of incorrectedly fitted ligands, and am never sure quite how to be confident they are correct. Your resolution is good, so one hopes the density is pretty clear? Common sources of error. By far the most common is caused by having an incorrect dictionary. Look very

Re: [ccp4bb] validating ligand density

2013-03-12 Thread Bernhard Rupp
One final quote that is not in the twilight paper summarizes it nicely: The scientist must be the judge of his own hypotheses, not the statistician. A.F.W. Edwards (1992) in Likelihood - An account of the statistical concept of likelihood and its application to scientific inference , p. 34.

Re: [ccp4bb] validating ligand density

2013-03-12 Thread Jacob Keller
One final quote that is not in the twilight paper summarizes it nicely: The scientist must be the judge of his own hypotheses, not the statistician. A.F.W. Edwards (1992) in Likelihood - An account of the statistical concept of likelihood and its application to scientific inference , p.

Re: [ccp4bb] validating ligand density

2013-03-12 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Jacob, You are overinterpreting, the statement is about judging, not proving a hypothesis. I am sure Mr. Edwards judged his statement to be ok. ;-) Herman From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Jacob Keller

Re: [ccp4bb] validating ligand density

2013-03-12 Thread Jacob Keller
Dear Jacob, You are overinterpreting, the statement is about judging, not proving a hypothesis. I am sure Mr. Edwards judged his statement to be ok. I guess there is a good likelihood that you are right, but who am I to judge? JPK Herman -- *From:* CCP4

[ccp4bb] FW: [ccp4bb] validating ligand density

2013-03-12 Thread Herman . Schreuder
You are the one who should judge your statement, but it looks plausible to me. Now that I think of it: why do we need referees if every scientist should judge their own hypothesis? Publication will be a lot faster if we no longer need to heed the remarks of some grumpy referees and send in

Re: [ccp4bb] [ccp4bb] validating ligand density

2013-03-12 Thread Bosch, Juergen
Going back to the initial question. I would recommend looking at AFITT http://www.eyesopen.com/afitt Works like a dream (in certain cases). Jürgen P.S. I wish I had some stocks from them but I don't .. Jürgen Bosch Johns Hopkins University Bloomberg School of Public Health

Re: [ccp4bb] [ccp4b] statistical or systematic? bias or noise?

2013-03-12 Thread Adam Ralph
Hi Ed,      You can have both types of error in a single experiment, however you cannot determine  statistical (precision or as Ian says uncontrollable) error with one experiment. The manufacturer will usually give some specs on the pipette, 6ul +/- 1ul. In order to verify the specs you would

Re: [ccp4bb] statistical or systematic? bias or noise?

2013-03-12 Thread Kay Diederichs
On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 11:46:03 -0400, Ed Pozharski epozh...@umaryland.edu wrote: ... Notice that I only prepared one sample, so if on that particular instance I picked up 4.8ul and not 5.0ul, this will translate into systematically underestimating protein concentration, even though it could have

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2013-03-12 Thread Richard Baxter
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Re: [ccp4bb] validating ligand density

2013-03-12 Thread R.Srinivasan
Thank you very much to all those who suggested a way out for our situation. We have so far refined the occupancies on phenix and the ligand shows an uniform occupancy of 0.8 post the refinement. The B-factors of the ligand are around 20  (atleast for the regions with a well defined electron

[ccp4bb] Frontiers in Neutron Structural Biology Workshop - Important Dates

2013-03-12 Thread Myles, Dean A A
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