Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] possible twinning issue in P4212 / I422

2014-06-05 Thread Eleanor Dodson
There are cases of different crystal forms of the same thing turning up with similar lattice dimensions... But if if the cell dimensions are the same, and one form is P4i with 4 molecules in the cell, and just enough space for one mol/asymm unit, and the 2nd form is I422 then isnt the asymm volume

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] possible twinning issue in P4212 / I422

2014-06-04 Thread Bjørn Panyella Pedersen
Dear All, Thanks for all the suggestions, on and off the board! Summary: Some have asked for the L-statistic in P 4 21 2: Mean |L| :0.397 (untwinned: 0.500; perfect twin: 0.375) All programs tried (xtriage, truncate, pointless) agree that the 4Å data is likely twinned P4 with an estimated tw

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] possible twinning issue in P4212 / I422

2014-06-04 Thread Eleanor Dodson
It helps to look at the output from the truncate step quite critically. First is there a non cryst translation of 1/2,1/2,1/2 indicated in the P4 2i2 data set? If so then the I centring at lower resolution might just be approximate.. If there is NC translation then other twinning statistics are

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] possible twinning issue in P4212 / I422

2014-06-04 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Bjørn, I guess the first step to enlightment is to recognize that we as mere mortals are not able to deduce the space group from diffraction data alone. All Aimless, XDS etc. can produce are educated guesses what the space group might be. Especially when twinning is involved, the crystal pa