[ccp4bb] JRH input Re: [ccp4bb] Neutron data collection

2011-09-23 Thread Jrh
Dear Rex, These issues of energy overlaps are addressed in theory, for either diffraction probe, in Cruickshank, Helliwell and Moffat 1987 Acta Cryst, and also by the same authors in 1991 Acta Cryst for spatial overlaps, and in practice in eg Ren et al JSR 1999 and Nieh et al JSR 1999.

Re: [ccp4bb] Neutron data collection

2011-09-23 Thread David Schuller
On 09/22/11 12:43, Jacob Keller wrote: Wow, neutrons are pretty cool! No radiation damage- Maybe we should be using neutrinos, in hopes of getting some data _literally_ before there is any damage. -- === All Things Serve the

Re: [ccp4bb] Neutron data collection

2011-09-23 Thread Andreas Ostermann
Jacob Keller wrote: Wow, neutrons are pretty cool! No radiation damage--and time resolution? I guess this is since they have much higher energy, and are measurable individually? What are the numbers for fluxes (neutrons/sec)? Are the neutrons all at one energy, or is there a bandwidth? The

Re: [ccp4bb] Neutron data collection

2011-09-23 Thread Jacob Keller
That value, 2200m/s, is pretty slow--there are some bullets that go faster than that, I think... JPK On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Andreas Ostermann andreas.osterm...@frm2.tum.de wrote: Jacob Keller wrote: Wow, neutrons are pretty cool! No radiation damage--and time resolution? I guess

Re: [ccp4bb] Neutron data collection

2011-09-22 Thread David Schuller
On 09/21/11 16:28, Sean Seaver wrote: Dear Rex, 1. What are the limits to data set completeness imposed by a Laue experiment versus those of monochromatic data collection? Laue allows for a greater number of Bragg reflections to be measured compared to monochromatic data collection over a

Re: [ccp4bb] Neutron data collection

2011-09-22 Thread Jacob Keller
Wow, neutrons are pretty cool! No radiation damage--and time resolution? I guess this is since they have much higher energy, and are measurable individually? What are the numbers for fluxes (neutrons/sec)? Are the neutrons all at one energy, or is there a bandwidth? JPK With X-rays, Laue

Re: [ccp4bb] Neutron data collection

2011-09-22 Thread Murray, James W
@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Neutron data collection Wow, neutrons are pretty cool! No radiation damage--and time resolution? I guess this is since they have much higher energy, and are measurable individually? What are the numbers for fluxes (neutrons/sec)? Are the neutrons all at one

Re: [ccp4bb] Neutron data collection

2011-09-22 Thread Jacob Keller
] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 5:43 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Neutron data collection Wow, neutrons are pretty cool! No radiation damage--and time resolution? I guess this is since they have much higher energy, and are measurable individually? What

[ccp4bb] Neutron data collection

2011-09-21 Thread REX PALMER
Re Neutron Data Collection: 1. What are the limits to data set completeness imposed by a Laue experiment versus those of monochromatic data collection? 2. What problems are caused by flash freezing the larger protein crystals used for neutron data collection which do not occur for X-ray data

Re: [ccp4bb] Neutron data collection

2011-09-21 Thread mjvdwoerd
this helps. Mark van der Woerd -Original Message- From: REX PALMER rex.pal...@btinternet.com To: CCP4BB CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Sent: Wed, Sep 21, 2011 3:52 am Subject: [ccp4bb] Neutron data collection Re Neutron Data Collection: 1. What are the limits to data set completeness imposed

Re: [ccp4bb] Neutron data collection

2011-09-21 Thread Brad Bennett
Hello Dr. Palmer- There may be other representatives in the literature by now but the one study I know of that examines the usefulness and limitations of determining cryo-neutron structures is The 15-K neutron structure of saccharide-free concanavalin A, Blakeley et al. (2004), PNAS,

Re: [ccp4bb] Neutron data collection

2011-09-21 Thread Sean Seaver
Dear Rex, 1. What are the limits to data set completeness imposed by a Laue experiment versus those of monochromatic data collection? Laue allows for a greater number of Bragg reflections to be measured compared to monochromatic data collection over a give time period. The limiting factor in