Re: [ccp4bb] Overrefinement considerations and Refmac5.

2020-03-07 Thread Tim Gruene
Dear TO, at medium to poor resolution, I prefer to set the weighting myself rather than use the automatic weighting. At 3'ish A resolution, I would start with 0.01 or 0.005 with many more than the default 10 cycles, maybe 50 or 100. The numbers you list below go in the other direction (>4).

Re: [ccp4bb] Overrefinement considerations and Refmac5.

2020-03-06 Thread Alexandre Ourjoumtsev
mentioned - the actual delta values are context > dependent. > Best, BR > From: CCP4 bulletin board On Behalf Of Andrew Leslie > Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 08:52 > To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Overrefinement considerations and Refmac5. > I would like

Re: [ccp4bb] Overrefinement considerations and Refmac5.

2020-03-06 Thread Andrew Leslie
I would like to add a small caveat to Eleanor’s rule about a 3% difference being too low for a structure refined against 3Å data. If the 3Å data is for a structure that has already been solved at much higher resolution (e.g. 2Å) and the only difference for the 3Å dataset is a different ligand

Re: [ccp4bb] Overrefinement considerations and Refmac5.

2020-03-06 Thread Alexandre Ourjoumtsev
Dear Eleanor, dear Michel (?), A while ago we statistically analysed the distribution of R, Rfree and of their difference as a function of the logarithm of resolution (Urzhumtsev et al., 2009, Acta Cryst, D65, 1283-1291). In this log-scale, the mode values for all three are nearly linear

Re: [ccp4bb] Overrefinement considerations and Refmac5.

2020-03-06 Thread Eleanor Dodson
You dont give the data resolution - that is very important.. I hate this rule bound approach to Rfree - R differences.. but as a guide No non-crystallographic symmetry. 1A data - you would expect them to be almost equal 3A data - I would expect a difference of at least 10% - once had the pleasure

[ccp4bb] Overrefinement considerations and Refmac5.

2020-03-06 Thread M T
Dear BBers, I am trying to refine a structure using COOT and Refmac5 and I have some concerns about overrefinement and x-ray term weight in Refmac5, based on the fact that during refinement to let R factor to drift too far from Rfree is not good... So... First question about that : what is too