Re: [ccp4bb] P212121 and P213

2013-01-17 Thread Nicholas Keep
Thanks Eleanor, your tip has got me there. I was attempting the problem the wrong way round. To get it to work I had to reindex the P212121 h=-l k=k l=h Then rigid body refinement of the P213 symmetry generated trimer dropped it to 40% and NCS refinement to around 25% My reasoning for avoid

Re: [ccp4bb] P212121 and P213

2013-01-17 Thread Herman . Schreuder
, January 17, 2013 3:09 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] P212121 and P213 I have a structure which normally crystallises in P213 but one data set the edges became slightly non-equivalent in length by a couple of angstroms and the data process in P212121 P212121 symmetry operators

Re: [ccp4bb] P212121 and P213

2013-01-17 Thread Enrico Stura
Polymorphs are another possibility. The packing could be very similar but the space group could be different. Enrico. On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 15:30:20 +0100, Eleanor Dodson wrote: Hard to say without data - but I would generate the 3 symmetry copies of the molecule you would have in P213,

Re: [ccp4bb] P212121 and P213

2013-01-17 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Hard to say without data - but I would generate the 3 symmetry copies of the molecule you would have in P213, then do rigid refinement of those coordinates with the P212121 cell dimensions and symmetry. There are so many possibilities for origin shifts But you don't say how non-equivalent the

Re: [ccp4bb] P212121 and P213

2013-01-17 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Nicholas, not sure whether it will work - learning by doing: You might integrate the P213 data set in the subgroup P212121 with the real P212121 data as reference data set. At least XDS will then choose consistent indexing. As last step you repea

[ccp4bb] P212121 and P213

2013-01-17 Thread Nicholas Keep
I have a structure which normally crystallises in P213 but one data set the edges became slightly non-equivalent in length by a couple of angstroms and the data process in P212121 P212121 symmetry operators appears to be a subset of P213 http://img.chem.ucl.ac.uk/sgp/large/019az1.htm http://img.