Re: [ccp4bb] Predicting self-rotation function peaks from coordinates?

2018-06-11 Thread Randy Read
Eleanor Dodson also mentioned offline that the CCP4 program ROTMAT can do the calculation. At first I thought that you would have to use a separate run for each NCS operator, but you can give multiple input angles with ROTMAT as well. I will have to sort out which angle conventions I want in RO

Re: [ccp4bb] Predicting self-rotation function peaks from coordinates?

2018-06-11 Thread Randy Read
Dear Liang, Thanks, that looks like that will do the job very well starting from a list of NCS rotations! Best wishes, Randy > On 11 Jun 2018, at 12:23, Liang Tong wrote: > > > Hello Randy > The SYMShow command in GLRF can take a set of rotation angles (up to 10) > and output all the

Re: [ccp4bb] Predicting self-rotation function peaks from coordinates?

2018-06-11 Thread Ian Tickle
Yes, good point Eleanor! Many people seem to be under the misapprehension that SRFs show only peaks due to _local_ NCS, but of course they are indifferent to the kind of symmetry relationship and will show all relationships (both crystallographic and NCS) within the specified radius of integration

Re: [ccp4bb] Predicting self-rotation function peaks from coordinates?

2018-06-11 Thread Liang Tong
Hello Randy The SYMShow command in GLRF can take a set of rotation angles (up to 10) and output all the angles related by the crystallographic symmetry. Hopefully this will help with what you need to do. I attach a script and print file as examples. best regards Liang Tong Columbia University

Re: [ccp4bb] Predicting self-rotation function peaks from coordinates?

2018-06-11 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Hmm - PISA first to make the most likely assembly. of A B C D etc.. Then GESAMT to match A to B , A to C ,. ... B to C , etc That gives "self rotations" in polar (most useful) , Euler, and matrix.. That could all be scripted - Eugene? But of course self rotation lists do not necessarily give th

[ccp4bb] Predicting self-rotation function peaks from coordinates?

2018-06-11 Thread Randy Read
Hi, I'd prefer not to have to reinvent a wheel that I'm almost certain is already out there! Is there a nice tool for taking a set of coordinates and space group information, working out the NCS relationships, applying symmetry and generating a list of peaks that should be expected on a self-r