Re: [ccp4bb] Questions about diffraction

2007-08-28 Thread James Holton
For a full answer to all your questions, I refer you to the classic textbook of M. M. Woolfson an introduction to x-ray crystallography by Cambridge University Press. This book has been quite helpful to me of late. Unlike some similar texts I find it easy to read. There are even examples!

Re: [ccp4bb] Questions about diffraction

2007-08-28 Thread Nave, C (Colin)
] Questions about diffraction For a full answer to all your questions, I refer you to the classic textbook of M. M. Woolfson an introduction to x-ray crystallography by Cambridge University Press. This book has been quite helpful to me of late. Unlike some similar texts I find it easy to read

Re: [ccp4bb] Questions about diffraction

2007-08-24 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Friday 24 August 2007 12:22, Michel Fodje wrote: 1. In every description of Braggs' law I've seen, the in-coming waves have to be in phase. Why is that? Given that the sources used for diffraction studies are mostly non-coherent. Think of Bragg's Law as explaining what happens to a single

Re: [ccp4bb] Questions about diffraction

2007-08-24 Thread Dale Tronrud
Michel Fodje wrote: Dear Crystallographers, Here are a few paradoxes about diffraction I would like to get some answers about: ... 3. What happens to the photon energy when waves destructively interfere as mentioned in the text books. Doesn't 'destructive interference' appear to violate the

Re: [ccp4bb] Questions about diffraction

2007-08-24 Thread Michel Fodje
1. In every description of Braggs' law I've seen, the in-coming waves have to be in phase. Why is that? Given that the sources used for diffraction studies are mostly non-coherent. Think of Bragg's Law as explaining what happens to a single photon that is probabilistically scattered by

Re: [ccp4bb] Questions about diffraction

2007-08-24 Thread Michel Fodje
For every direction where there is destructive interference and a loss of energy there is a direction where there is constructive interference that piles up energy. If you integrate over all directions energy is conserved. For the total integrated energy to be conserved, energy will have to

Re: [ccp4bb] Questions about diffraction

2007-08-24 Thread Michel Fodje
You are just using the coherent fraction of the beam. My point is that Braggs' law as currently understood does not preclude the diffraction from waves which were non-coherent before hitting the sample It is not clear at all how you arrive to that condition. By definition, if two waves are non

Re: [ccp4bb] Questions about diffraction

2007-08-24 Thread Jacob Keller
For the total integrated energy to be conserved, energy will have to be created in certain directions to compensate for the loss in other directions. So in a direction in which the condition is met, the total will have to be more than the sum of the waves in that direction. How about considering

Re: [ccp4bb] Questions about diffraction

2007-08-24 Thread William Scott
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:40:13 -0600 Michel Fodje [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The mathematics works but doesn't necessarily mean the current interpretation of the mathematics has any resemblance to what actually happens in reality. Sure, it does. Crystallography is traditionally

Re: [ccp4bb] Questions about diffraction

2007-08-24 Thread Dale Tronrud
Michel Fodje wrote: For every direction where there is destructive interference and a loss of energy there is a direction where there is constructive interference that piles up energy. If you integrate over all directions energy is conserved. For the total integrated energy to be conserved,

Re: [ccp4bb] Questions about diffraction

2007-08-24 Thread James Stroud
Here's a fun way to think of it: A photon hits a crystal and will diffract off in a certain direction with the same energy as the original photon. The direction is subject to a probability distribution based on the lattice, with angles at the diffraction conditions being most likely and the

Re: [ccp4bb] Questions about diffraction

2007-08-24 Thread James Stroud
Without resorting to a circular argument? You are asking too much. However, this probability distribution is perfectly described by considering a component wave model wherein coherence of the component waves correlates with peaks in the probability distribution--i.e. Bragg's Law. IANAM (I

Re: [ccp4bb] Questions about diffraction

2007-08-24 Thread Michel Fodje
Would it be taking it too far to suggest that one could go all the way and consider that each electron diffracts not as groups in a plane but as individual electrons and a photon impinging on an electron with with a specific phase will be diffracted in a specific direction. However the lattice