Re: [ccp4bb] REFMAC Riding Hydrogens

2012-03-08 Thread Martyn Winn
robbie_joos...@hotmail.com To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 4:26 AM Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] REFMAC Riding Hydrogens Hi Everyone, Pavel’s statement is likely a bit of an exaggeration, but he has a valid (yet hard to prove point). The default in CCP4i

Re: [ccp4bb] REFMAC Riding Hydrogens

2012-03-07 Thread Paul Smith
From: Robbie Joosten robbie_joos...@hotmail.com To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 4:26 AM Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] REFMAC Riding Hydrogens Hi Everyone,   Pavel’s statement is likely a bit of an exaggeration, but he has a valid (yet hard

Re: [ccp4bb] REFMAC Riding Hydrogens

2012-03-07 Thread Tim Gruene
GUI? Thanks again, --Paul From: Robbie Joosten robbie_joos...@hotmail.com To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 4:26 AM Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] REFMAC Riding Hydrogens Hi Everyone, Pavel’s statement is likely a bit

Re: [ccp4bb] REFMAC Riding Hydrogens

2012-03-07 Thread Garib N Murshudov
4:26 AM Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] REFMAC Riding Hydrogens Hi Everyone, Pavel’s statement is likely a bit of an exaggeration, but he has a valid (yet hard to prove point). The default in CCP4i was (and is?) to use hydrogens only if present in the input file. This is IMO not a safe default

Re: [ccp4bb] REFMAC Riding Hydrogens

2012-03-06 Thread Robbie Joosten
). Cheers, Robbie From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Pavel Afonine Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 21:53 To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] REFMAC Riding Hydrogens Dear Tim, good catch, thanks; I could craft that phrase more carefully! Although

Re: [ccp4bb] REFMAC Riding Hydrogens

2012-03-06 Thread Ian Tickle
Pavel’s statement is likely a bit of an exaggeration, but he has a valid (yet hard to prove point). The default in CCP4i was (and is?) to use hydrogens only if present in the input file. This is IMO not a safe default. I agree: what I find confusing here is that the current CCP4i default is

[ccp4bb] REFMAC Riding Hydrogens

2012-03-05 Thread Paul Smith
Hello CCP4 community, I'm posting at large regarding a previously raised issue for REFMAC for which I cannot find the conclusion in the old threads. Specifically, does REFMAC add riding hydrogens during default refinement? Though I've not requested that any hydrogens be added, only used if in

Re: [ccp4bb] REFMAC Riding Hydrogens

2012-03-05 Thread Matthew Franklin
Hi Paul - Refmac does indeed add riding hydrogens by default; see here: http://www.ccp4.ac.uk/dist/html/refmac5/keywords/restraints.html#makecif The REMARK 3 is referring to what you think it is: riding hydrogens have been added. (They are not, however, written to the output file unless you

Re: [ccp4bb] REFMAC Riding Hydrogens

2012-03-05 Thread Garib N Murshudov
On the interface under Refinement Parameters there are three options 1) Use if present 2) Do not use 3) Generate all if you are using script then default is generate all (add them riding positions). You can switch to other options: make hydr all# generate all - default option make hydr yes

Re: [ccp4bb] REFMAC Riding Hydrogens

2012-03-05 Thread Pavel Afonine
Hi, On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Matthew Franklin mfrank...@nysbc.orgwrote: Adding the riding hydrogens generally gives you some improvement in R factors even with a good quality (i.e. stereochemically correct) model. and here are the results of more or less systematic test that prove

Re: [ccp4bb] REFMAC Riding Hydrogens

2012-03-05 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Pavel, you may want to add to the structures mentioned in [1] one or two organic structures present in the Cambridge Database. Until recently it was customary to ignore hydrogen atoms throughout the process of crystallographic X-­‐ray structure

Re: [ccp4bb] REFMAC Riding Hydrogens

2012-03-05 Thread Pavel Afonine
Dear Tim, good catch, thanks; I could craft that phrase more carefully! Although often it may not be quite fair to take phrases out of context: this newsletter article was written in the context of macromolecular refinement. And yes, recently may be a broad term -:) All the best, Pavel On Mon,