Dear James,
Perhaps it is time for us to admit that this is too large, expensive and
complex a problem for us to resolve without help from one
or more of the commercial data managers, such as Google or Amazon. I know
that dealing with ads is a nuisance, introducing
a loss of time for research,
Why not just upload it to proteindiffraction.org ? Or the SBGrid data
bank (https://data.sbgrid.org/) ? Or both for "redundancy" ?
Yes, I did once do some calculations on what it would take to preserve
data for tens of thousands of years, and the only proven storage medium
for that
Dear Frank,
CERN does save all its data. It also hosts the Zenodo science data archive.
The Square Kilometre Array has decided to save processed data rather than its
raw data as they have concluded that isn't possible.
Best wishes,
John
Emeritus Professor John R Helliwell DSc
> On 13 Jul 2018,
Hi Frank
on the same lines: do we keep our crystals after frying them? Or do molecular
biologists keep their agarose gels? Hummm... evolution and technologies do
progress.
Yet, I would support keeping images, just as you may (but really will most
likely never) want to re-process those with
Of
graeme.win...@diamond.ac.uk
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 10:53 AM
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Should we still keep copies of all raw data?
Sergei, all,
I for one would always recommend saving data - not least as this is the basis
for your science and you may need to revisit
Sergei, all,
I for one would always recommend saving data - not least as this is the basis
for your science and you may need to revisit it later, perhaps before or after
publication. Re: (a) I know we’re all working on improving the methods but they
are still have scope for improvement (b)
Are the LHC researchers that analyse the detector readout on the fly
without ever storing the data also guilty of malpractice? Hardcore.
Just a few more years, a few more Eiger detectors, a few more serial
beamlines, a few more clusters and clouds, and a few more DIALS-style
programmers,
Department of
Pharmaceutical Sciences, KU Leuven <http://pharm.kuleuven.be/anafar>
From: John R Helliwell
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 12:07
To: Sergei Strelkov
Cc: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Should we still keep copies of all raw data?
Dear Sergei,
Re “all”. As a researcher my perspective is that one’s funding agency
requirement for a data management plan will be the core of what you would need
to follow. Your employer may have additional policies and requirements placed
on you as an employee. Eg the UK funding agency EPSRC
Dear All,
I believe this question may be of some interest.
In the past, we always stored all raw data ever collected by the lab.
With the recent advances, such as
(a) automated/on-the-fly processing offered by some (European) synchrotrons, and
(b) an ongoing discussion on centralized raw
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