Re: [ccp4bb] Structure idealisation Refmac_5.5.0072

2009-03-26 Thread Ian Tickle
- Ian > -Original Message- > From: owner-ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk [mailto:owner-ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk] On > Behalf Of James Holton > Sent: 26 March 2009 01:08 > To: Kristof Van Hecke > Cc: CCP4BB@jiscmail.ac.uk > Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Structure idealisation Refmac_5.5.0072 > &

Re: [ccp4bb] Structure idealisation Refmac_5.5.0072

2009-03-26 Thread James Holton
Kristof Van Hecke wrote: I want to optimize a DNA-helix with the function "Structure idealisation" in Refmac_5.5.00782 (CCP4_6.1.1). My question, is this performing just a geometry optimization (against a library), or is there also an energy-optimization of some kind involved,..? What's the di

Re: [ccp4bb] Structure idealisation Refmac_5.5.0072

2009-03-25 Thread George M. Sheldrick
Dear Ian, If one has sufficiently high resolution data, full matrix refinement with SHELXL might be the best way to get real convergence. The installation of the program also converges faster (zero dependence!). Best wishes, George Prof. George M. Sheldrick FRS Dept. Structural Chemistry, Uni

Re: [ccp4bb] Structure idealisation Refmac_5.5.0072

2009-03-25 Thread Ian Tickle
Hi Kristof The trivial, and it turns out only, answer is "as many as it takes to converge". Unfortunately for everyone carrying out optimisations, or indeed almost any kind of computation, Alan Turing proved (1936) - Google for "Turing halting problem" - that a general algorithm to solve the halt

[ccp4bb] Structure idealisation Refmac_5.5.0072

2009-03-25 Thread Kristof Van Hecke
Dear, I want to optimize a DNA-helix with the function "Structure idealisation" in Refmac_5.5.00782 (CCP4_6.1.1). My question, is this performing just a geometry optimization (against a library), or is there also an energy-optimization of some kind involved,..? And according to the number