Re: [ccp4bb] Sulfate ion on 2-fold axis

2008-01-11 Thread George M. Sheldrick
Using SHELXL, restraints can be applied to symmetry equivalent atoms so one can easily restrain the sulphate to be a regular tetrahedron by restraining the S-O distances to be equal and the O1..O2, O1'..O2 etc. distances to be equal (with or without target values). For details of a similar

Re: [ccp4bb] Sulfate ion on 2-fold axis - Garib?

2008-01-11 Thread Eleanor Dodson
It needs Garib to answer this! Eleanor Charlie Bond wrote: Eleanor Dodson wrote: It should be more or less equivalent, but better I think to put 1S at 0.5 occ and 2O at occ = 1 At least in REFMAC the restraints to the symmetry atoms should be set up But if you do that, some of

Re: [ccp4bb] Sulfate ion on 2-fold axis - Garib?

2008-01-11 Thread Garib Murshudov
Best way of refining SO4 two-fold axis is to put al occupancies equal to 0.5 and refine like that. You may need to use newer version to deal better with atoms in special position. Have a look: www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/YSBLprograms/index.jsp You can go from this site to latest refmac site. Any

Re: [ccp4bb] Sulfate ion on 2-fold axis - Garib?

2008-01-11 Thread Jie Liu
I've played around for a while, also read the manual and googled the internet, but just couldn't find a way to set up the restraints to the symmetry related atoms in Refmac5. Could anyone please kindly advice me how to do that? Thank you!!! Jie Eleanor Dodson wrote: It needs Garib to answer

Re: [ccp4bb] Sulfate ion on 2-fold axis - Garib?

2008-01-11 Thread Garib Murshudov
sorry for repeat. Link I gave in the previous mail should be: www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/YSBLPrograms/index.jsp Garib On 11 Jan 2008, at 19:58, Jie Liu wrote: I've played around for a while, also read the manual and googled the internet, but just couldn't find a way to set up the restraints to the

[ccp4bb] Sulfate ion on 2-fold axis

2008-01-09 Thread Jie Liu
Dear all I have a sulfate ion sitting on a 2-fold axis. Should I put in pdb file one S atom with occu=0.5 and two O atoms with occu=1, or should I put one S and four O atoms all with occu=0.5? Thanks for your inputs. Jie

Re: [ccp4bb] Sulfate ion on 2-fold axis

2008-01-09 Thread Charlie Bond
Hi Jie, Depending on your resolution, you may be forced use to use S(0.5) and 4x(0.5) in order to restrain the SO4 to stay tetrahedral in refinement. Cheers, Charlie Jie Liu wrote: Dear all I have a sulfate ion sitting on a 2-fold axis. Should I put in pdb file one S atom with occu=0.5 and

Re: [ccp4bb] Sulfate ion on 2-fold axis

2008-01-09 Thread Dale Tronrud
Dear Jie, It also depends on whether you believe the SO4 sits with its internal two-fold along the crystal's two-fold axis. If it does you should probably have a 0.5 occ sulfur and two 1.0 occ oxygen atoms. If the symmetry is not obeyed you will have to have four 0.5 occ oxygen atoms. Be