Re: [ccp4bb] bond lengths, angles, ideality and refinements

2008-01-14 Thread Morten Kjeldgaard
On 09/01/2008, at 20.48, Anastassis Perrakis wrote: I actually think that inaccurate cells are a big source of misery in many refinements. I have found the idea of WhatCheck to actually check your cell by looking at the projection of bond lengths of certain types along the cell axes most

Re: [ccp4bb] bond lengths, angles, ideality and refinements

2008-01-10 Thread Dirk Kostrewa
Am 09.01.2008 um 20:48 schrieb Anastassis Perrakis: snip I actually think that inaccurate cells are a big source of misery in many refinements. I have found the idea of WhatCheck to actually check your cell by looking at the projection of bond lengths of certain types along the cell axes

Re: [ccp4bb] bond lengths, angles, ideality and refinements

2008-01-09 Thread William Scott
Sorry, that should have read because the value is established by social consensus, it is thus NOT guaranteed to be perfectly accurate, ... In other words, one can imagine some source of systematic error in establishing an ideal bond length. For example, the crystal packing environment of small

Re: [ccp4bb] bond lengths, angles, ideality and refinements

2008-01-09 Thread Nave, C (Colin)
Of William Scott Sent: 09 January 2008 17:32 To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] bond lengths, angles, ideality and refinements Sorry, that should have read because the value is established by social consensus, it is thus NOT guaranteed to be perfectly accurate, ... In other words, one can

Re: [ccp4bb] bond lengths, angles, ideality and refinements

2008-01-09 Thread Herbert J. Bernstein
tables 1 is formally correct but awkward. table 1s is confusing. I would suggest that we treat table 1 like sheep and make the plural the same as the singular. If you don't approve of revising the English language, then a valid way to avoid the need for a plural is to say each table 1.

Re: [ccp4bb] bond lengths, angles, ideality and refinements

2008-01-09 Thread Todd Holyoak
For some current thoughts on bond length and bond angle deviations you may want to look at the following paper: Acta Cryst. (2007). D63, 611-620 Stereochemical restraints revisited: how accurate are refinement targets and how much should protein structures be allowed to deviate from them? M.

Re: [ccp4bb] bond lengths, angles, ideality and refinements

2008-01-09 Thread Ian Tickle
, in order to make cross-validation with Refmac more reliable useful. Cheers -- Ian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Scott Sent: 09 January 2008 17:32 To: William Scott Cc: ccp4bb@jiscmail.ac.uk Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] bond lengths

Re: [ccp4bb] bond lengths, angles, ideality and refinements

2008-01-09 Thread Anastassis Perrakis
Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Scott Sent: 09 January 2008 17:32 To: William Scott Cc: ccp4bb@jiscmail.ac.uk Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] bond lengths, angles, ideality and refinements Sorry, that should have read because the value is established by social