[ccp4bb] low resolution refinement

2018-05-24 Thread Sebastiano Pasqualato
Hi all, just be sure: does Low Resolution Refinement Pipeline in ccp4 always use Free_R_flag=0? Thanks, s -- Sebastiano Pasqualato, PhD Crystallography Unit Department of Experimental Oncology European Institute of Oncology IFOM-IEO Campus via Adamello, 16 20139 - Milano Italy tel +39 02 943

Re: [ccp4bb] low-resolution refinement

2012-09-25 Thread Pete Meyer
3) Activating map sharpening results in mtz files that look just normal and open in coot after the typical map calculation break, but no maps are displayed. This is independent of the sharpening factor I choose (between 5 and 60). I haven't used coot for map sharpening, but using the range

Re: [ccp4bb] low-resolution refinement

2012-09-25 Thread Robert Nicholls
Hi Andreas, In your case, it sounds like a reasonable strategy would be to use external restraints for a few rounds of refinement (as you have done), but then release them and instead use jelly-body restraints. This two-stage process will help to initially hold your model in a sensible conforma

[ccp4bb] low-resolution refinement

2012-09-25 Thread Andreas Förster
Dear all, I'm making first steps in the desolate world of low-resolution refinement. With dodgy 3.8A data, the magic of Phaser was able to solve the structure of a complex by MR with its components as MR models. Jelly-body refinement does wonders for R free. There are three issues that I wo

Re: [ccp4bb] low resolution refinement

2011-07-14 Thread ccp4
Roberto steiner has told you how to use these new REFMAC5.6 features, Rob Nicholls has suggested how to generate secondary structure restraints, and Martyn Winn given a page to install a new interface to make it easier to use them.. But with such limited data it isnt surprising that the FreeR c

Re: [ccp4bb] low resolution refinement

2011-07-12 Thread Martyn Winn
(start with 0.05 and > compare refinements for higher and lower values). > > > > HTH, > > Robbie > > > > > ------------ > > Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 16:59:29 +0800 > > From: caiq...@gmail.com > > Subject: [ccp

Re: [ccp4bb] low resolution refinement

2011-07-11 Thread Pavel Afonine
Hi Quixu, I also used phenix.refine with the "reference model" ( I have high > resolution model for one domain of the low resolution protein) and > "secondary structure restraints", but it seams the same. Any suggestion? > > BTW, is that simulator annealing not suitable for low resolution structur

Re: [ccp4bb] low resolution refinement

2011-07-10 Thread Robbie Joosten
When in doubt, try both. In my personal experience, adding hydrogens always works. Especially at low resolution. But don't take my word for it, experiment a little. Cheers, Robbie Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 16:01:59 +0800 From: caiq...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] low resolution refineme

Re: [ccp4bb] low resolution refinement

2011-07-10 Thread CAI Qixu
nk it is also explained > in the talk and tutorials of the Refmac website. > > > > HTH, > > Robbie > > > ____________ > > From: caiq...@gmail.com > > Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 00:44:25 +0800 > > Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] low resolution re

Re: [ccp4bb] low resolution refinement

2011-07-09 Thread Steiner, Roberto
imizing the matrix weight yourself (start with 0.05 and compare refinements for higher and lower values). HTH, Robbie > Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 16:59:29 +0800 > From: caiq...@gmail.com<mailto:caiq...@gmail.com> > Subject: [ccp4b

Re: [ccp4bb] low resolution refinement

2011-07-09 Thread Rob Nicholls
> > > > HTH, > > Robbie > > > ____________ >> From: caiq...@gmail.com >> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 00:44:25 +0800 >> Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] low resolution refinement >> To: robbie_joos...@hotmail.com >> CC: CCP4BB@jiscma

Re: [ccp4bb] low resolution refinement

2011-07-09 Thread Robbie Joosten
ul 2011 00:44:25 +0800 > Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] low resolution refinement > To: robbie_joos...@hotmail.com > CC: CCP4BB@jiscmail.ac.uk > > Hi, > > Thank you for your suggestion. > Could you tell me what is "riding hydrogens"? > And it seems there is not &quo

Re: [ccp4bb] low resolution refinement

2011-07-09 Thread CAI Qixu
t yourself (start with 0.05 and compare > refinements for higher and lower values). > > > > HTH, > > Robbie > > > > > ---------------- > > Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 16:59:29 +0800 > > From: caiq...@gmail.com > > Subject: [

Re: [ccp4bb] low resolution refinement

2011-07-09 Thread CAI Qixu
Hi, Thank you for your papers. I will read them carefully. 2011/7/9 Elizabeth McSweeney > Hi > > I highly recommend reading the two Brunger papers below: they will explain > the important factors to take note of when refining low-resolution > structures. I found them very useful when I was

Re: [ccp4bb] low resolution refinement

2011-07-09 Thread Robbie Joosten
hting in favour of optimizing the matrix weight yourself (start with 0.05 and compare refinements for higher and lower values). HTH, Robbie > Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 16:59:29 +0800 > From: caiq...@gmail.com > Subject: [ccp4bb] low re

Re: [ccp4bb] low resolution refinement

2011-07-09 Thread Elizabeth McSweeney
Hi I highly recommend reading the two Brunger papers below: they will explain the important factors to take note of when refining low-resolution structures.� I found them very useful when I was learning about low-resolution refinement. I would suggest using the deformable elastic network with

[ccp4bb] low resolution refinement

2011-07-09 Thread Qixu Cai
Dear all, Recently, I refine two low resolution structures in refmac 5.5. Their resolutions are 3A and 3.5A respectively. For 3A structure, after MR by phaser and rigidbody refinement&restraint refinement by refmac5.5, I got R factor 25% and R free 35%. And then each time, after my model build

Re: [ccp4bb] Low resolution refinement

2011-05-20 Thread Linda Schuldt
Dear Joane, we had a case, where we had five molecules in the assymmetric unit where the biological functional unit was a homotrimer. So we had one non-crystallographic trimer and two monomers, which were located along the 3-fold symmetry axis of space group I213. One of the monomers also showed e

Re: [ccp4bb] Low resolution refinement

2011-05-19 Thread Eric Larson
Dear Joane, We have had very good luck refining low resolution structures with dramatic improvement using several newish options in refmac - particularly when NCS is present! Those options are jelly body restraints, automatic NCS restraints, and map sharpening. Here is a description cut-and-p

Re: [ccp4bb] Low resolution refinement

2011-05-19 Thread David Schuller
This reminds me of: Pig heart short chain L-3-hydroxyacyl-CoA dehydrogenase revisited: Sequence analysis and crystal structure determination Barycki JJ, O'Brien LK, Birktoft JJ, Strauss AW, Banaszak LJ Protein Science (Oct 1999) Vol 8, pp 2010-2018. In which the protein in question also had on

Re: [ccp4bb] Low resolution refinement

2011-05-19 Thread Gregory Verdon
Missing density could point to incomplete data, how is the completeness at high and low resolution? Sent from my iPhone On May 19, 2011, at 11:54 AM, Jon Schuermann wrote: > Dear Joane, > >Bert's recommendations are very good, but I'd like to add a little > caution. If just part of the m

Re: [ccp4bb] Low resolution refinement

2011-05-19 Thread Jon Schuermann
Dear Joane, Bert's recommendations are very good, but I'd like to add a little caution. If just part of the molecule has bad density then it is not unusual, but if the whole chain does not look very good (missing side-chains or backbone) you may have a couple of things going on. First, I w

Re: [ccp4bb] Low resolution refinement

2011-05-19 Thread Van Den Berg, Bert
One more thing though: have you refined with the NCS restraints off or on? Presumably on, seeing that you have a small gap between R and Rfree? It may be worth turning the restraints off or modify the NCS selections: if your 3 molecules are substantially different, applying NCS may make things w

Re: [ccp4bb] Low resolution refinement

2011-05-19 Thread Van Den Berg, Bert
Hi Joane, I'm not sure if I understand your description of the structure (chain A forms the dimer? Does it form a dimer with a crystallographically related chain A?) . But anyway, I don't think you need to worry. Your R/Rfree are excellent for this resolution. There's not much you can do about t

[ccp4bb] Low resolution refinement

2011-05-19 Thread Joane Kathelen Rustiguel
Dear all I am refining a structure at 3.4 A resolution that contains 3 molecules in the a.u. The chain A sits on a 2-fold crystallographic axis forming the dimeric functional structure expected for this class of proteins. The other two chains B and C, which also form the functional dimer, seem t