Re: [ccp4bb] partial hydrogen refinement.

2010-11-23 Thread George M. Sheldrick
Even with SHELX, at 1.2A you should use a riding model for hydrogens and not refine them freely. SHELX has a useful facility (OMIT $H or OMIT followed by specific hydrogen atom names) to keep the hydrogen atoms in the atom list but not include their contributions to the structure factors. Then

Re: [ccp4bb] scala : error of Mean((I)/sd(I))

2010-11-23 Thread Phil Evans
I don't think this is a meaningful question. For Mn(I/sd), we take all measurements of each reflection h to get its average Ih, and an estimate of the SD of this average sd(Ih) (from the adjusted input sigmas), hence the ratio Ih/sd(Ih). Then we average this ratio over all reflections in a

Re: [ccp4bb] partial hydrogen refinement.

2010-11-23 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Can you see the hydrogens in the maps when they are excluded from the phasing? There is little hope of refining them independently if you cant see discrete peaks for them. Eleanor On 11/23/2010 05:18 AM, Kenneth Satyshur wrote: Sirs: We are attempting to refine hydrogens on a ligand (which

Re: [ccp4bb] scala : error of Mean((I)/sd(I))

2010-11-23 Thread Ian Tickle
Bryan, Assuming that your values of sd(I) are accurate estimates of the standard uncertainties of your Is, then I/sd(I) is a normalised variate with SU = 1. So the SU of the mean value of I/sd(I) (where as Phil says the Is are simply the measurements of the various reflections in a shell) is

Re: [ccp4bb] scala : error of Mean((I)/sd(I))

2010-11-23 Thread Ian Tickle
PS on a matter of terminology, what you are calling the 'sd' (i.e. 'standard deviation') is not the true standard deviation, it's only an estimate since it's obtained from the data. Such an estimate of the standard deviation used to be called (you guessed it!) the 'estimated standard deviation'

[ccp4bb] Problem with Coot in osX

2010-11-23 Thread Mariano Polo
Dear all, I have been using Coot during a long time without any problem, but today, when I try to open the program, something has failed. The message was: /Applications/coot.app/Contents/Resources/script: line 205: 1965 Segmentation fault $COOT_PREFIX/bin/coot-real $command

[ccp4bb] Mtzdump

2010-11-23 Thread Marta Martínez
Hi everybody I have a 2_scala.log with all programs with Normal termination except Mtzdump that finished with NO REFLECTIONS LISTED. What can it mean? Thanks for your attention Marta

[ccp4bb] Problem with finding of spots

2010-11-23 Thread Petr Kolenko
Dear colleagues, I am working on one dataset that is hard to process. The data are about 3A of resolution. As we are not able to reproduce the experiment again, I have to use this one, collected in a dirty way. The problem starts immediately with finding of spots. I have tried HKL2000, XDS,

Re: [ccp4bb] partial hydrogen refinement.

2010-11-23 Thread Mischa Machius
We have a similar case. There is difference density, but only for some of the hydrogens (mostly methyl groups on Leu, Ile, Val, Ala). How does one decide which hydrogens to include in explicit refinement? The case in question has 0.99Å data (diffraction is significantly better, but data were

Re: [ccp4bb] Problem with finding of spots

2010-11-23 Thread Marian Szebenyi
Petr, Looks to me as if the problem is that your spots are very fuzzy, so even though you can see them the spot-picking algorithms prefer to pick the sharp little spots which are really noise. What I would do is set your peak-picking parameters to pick very few spots, e.g. use Fewer peaks

Re: [ccp4bb] Problem with finding of spots

2010-11-23 Thread Vellieux Frederic
Hi, I agree with what has been mentioned about fuzzy spots. But what seems obvious as well is that the resolution for spot picking should be limited (to 3.5 or 4 A resolution). It is difficult to judge from an image of a diffraction pattern, but it seems to me from this image that the spots

Re: [ccp4bb] Problem with finding of spots

2010-11-23 Thread Eric Larson
Hi Petr, You don't have to rely on automatically picked spots if you do not trust them. Have you tried manually selecting spots and then limiting the high resolution cutoff for indexing? Oftentimes that is sufficient to get past at least the indexing step. hope that helps, Eric

Re: [ccp4bb] partial hydrogen refinement.

2010-11-23 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I have rarely worked with such data, but when we did, we always kept to the riding hydroge positions in for refinement. You can check the important ones by calculating sfs without them and seeing how well they fit the map. For important residues like ASPS in catalytic triads that can be very

[ccp4bb] Your suggestions needed: Difficulties in reproducing HT crystallization conditions. Thanks!

2010-11-23 Thread Joe
Hi all, I recently have problems reproducing some conditions identified from high throughput screenings. The initial screening (10 mg/ml protein, 0.5 ul well+ 0.6 ul protein, 23 C) gave rise to at least three hits from different screen kits. The follow-up grid optimization (1.5 ul well + 1.5 ul

Re: [ccp4bb] Problem with finding of spots

2010-11-23 Thread Zbyszek Otwinowski
The default mode of autoindexing in HKL2000 and denzo is to search for unit cell lengths producing spots that can be resolved at the data collection distance and with the specified spot size (it can be changed in HKL2000 interface). If the unit cell of your crystal is significantly longer, the

[ccp4bb] Your suggestions needed: Difficulties in reproducing HT crystallization conditions. Thanks!

2010-11-23 Thread Joe
Hi all, I recently have problems reproducing some conditions identified from high throughput screenings. The initial screening (10 mg/ml protein, 0.5 ul well+ 0.6 ul protein, 23 C) gave rise to at least three hits from different screen kits. The follow-up grid optimization (1.5 ul well + 1.5 ul

Re: [ccp4bb] partial hydrogen refinement.

2010-11-23 Thread Pavel Afonine
Hi Mischa, We have a similar case. There is difference density, but only for some of the hydrogens (mostly methyl groups on Leu, Ile, Val, Ala). How does one decide which hydrogens to include in explicit refinement? The case in question has 0.99Å data (diffraction is significantly better, but

Re: [ccp4bb] Your suggestions needed: Difficulties in reproducing HT crystallization conditions. Thanks!

2010-11-23 Thread Jacob Keller
I would suggest doing some rigorous quality-control on your protein stock, e.g., mass-spec'ing. Also, it may help to aliquot small aliquots into pcr tubes and freeze at -80, and use only those stocks for crystallizations. I had exactly this problem, and finally concluded that the problem was

[ccp4bb] Low B-factors

2010-11-23 Thread Paula Salgado
Dear all I'm refining a 33kDa protein model and I have noticed that although all other statistics seem fine, B factor values are quite low, with many around 7-10A2 and average overall values as follows. Total number of atoms in chain A 2378 Average B value for main chain

Re: [ccp4bb] Low B-factors

2010-11-23 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Tuesday, November 23, 2010, Paula Salgado wrote: Dear all I'm refining a 33kDa protein model and I have noticed that although all other statistics seem fine, B factor values are quite low, What is the resolution? What is the Wilson B? with many around 7-10A2 and average overall

Re: [ccp4bb] Your suggestions needed: Difficulties in reproducing HT crystallization conditions. Thanks!

2010-11-23 Thread Janet Newman
Hi Joe, I really want to re-iterate both Annie and Patrick's suggestion of trying different drop ratios and protein amounts, however you might also try adding some fresh reducing agent, particularly if you are trying the scale-up with protein that has been hanging around (or sitting around)

Re: [ccp4bb] Low B-factors

2010-11-23 Thread Tim Gruene
Dear Paula, I do not know about phenix, but the refmac5 output PDB file does not contain the contribution from the TLS refinement (not sure I get the terminology right). In order to get an idea of the average B-values, you should run tlsanl on the output of refmac5 with the keyword 'bresid true'.

Re: [ccp4bb] Low B-factors

2010-11-23 Thread Paula Salgado
Resolution is 1.5A, Wilson B is 11.8. Does that mean that might values are more than within expected ranges? I knew at this resolution B factors are considerably lower, but I was suspicious that some seemed, so low, specially after recent problems of over refinement of B factors with another

Re: [ccp4bb] Low B-factors

2010-11-23 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Tuesday, November 23, 2010, Paula Salgado wrote: Resolution is 1.5A, Wilson B is 11.8. Right. So there you have it. The Wilson B is telling you straight from the data that the expected B factors are on the order of 11.8 You reported your model as Average B value for main chain

[ccp4bb] Can LSQKAB calculate RMSTAB for two pre-superposed structures?

2010-11-23 Thread Huiying Li
Another question on RMSD: I have two structures of the same protein superposed with the LSQ Superpose in Coot by matching the first ~100 residues of the N-terminal domain. Now I'd like to calculate the pair-wise RMSD for the entire pre-superposed structures (~400 residues). Can LSQKAB output