Re: [ccp4bb] [phenixbb] NORA workshop on AlphaFold2 and RoseTTAFold, 31 August and 1 September

2021-08-27 Thread Randy John Read
Hi, I’ve just double-checked with the organisers. We’ve been asked to agree to having our talks recorded. Some speakers might opt out, but the ones that are recorded will be available for participants to view at a more convenient time. Randy > On 26 Aug 2021, at 22:22, Joel Tyndall wrote: >

Re: [ccp4bb] Antwort: Re: [ccp4bb] chain on 2-fold axis?

2021-08-27 Thread Peer Mittl
Dear Eleanor, I indeed used r/tefmac for the refinement and it came up with the values HKL (a=0.56), KH-L (a=0.44). It would be interesting to see if a refinement in P3221 would come up with the same occupancies for the alternative conformations for the "extra" chain on the 2-fold axis. It

[ccp4bb] Fwd: Building Dna rna duplex

2021-08-27 Thread Shipra Bijpuria
Hi everyone, I am working on refinement of a protein-NA complex. It has a dna-rna duplex. How do we build a dna rna duplex in coot. I was able to optimize the RNA chain using Rcrane, is there a similar tool to work on DNA chain? Could anyone please suggest a better way for the refinement of

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Antwort: Re: [ccp4bb] chain on 2-fold axis?

2021-08-27 Thread Schreuder, Herman /DE
Dear Peer and Eleanor, This is indeed what I am suspecting: If the "twinning operator" in P32 puts 4 out of 5 protein chains on top of symmetry mates, is the "true" space group then P32, with 5 twinned chains, or P3221 with 4 normal chains and 1 chain on a special position? I would vote for

Re: [ccp4bb] [phenixbb] NORA workshop on AlphaFold2 and RoseTTAFold, 31 August and 1 September

2021-08-27 Thread Randy John Read
9 am CEST (Norway). Pretty early for our North American colleagues, especially those on the west coast! > On 27 Aug 2021, at 05:18, Robert Rose wrote: > > Does the workshop start on August 31 at 9 am GMT? > > On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 2:27 PM Randy John Read wrote: > Hi, > > I’ve just learned

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Antwort: Re: [ccp4bb] chain on 2-fold axis?

2021-08-27 Thread Schreuder, Herman /DE
Dear Lijun, with this argument I agree: the interactions between the two orientations of the “twinned” chain and the neighboring molecules will be different and the interacting side chains will almost certainly have different orientations, which necessitates a twinning of the whole structure.

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Antwort: Re: [ccp4bb] chain on 2-fold axis?

2021-08-27 Thread Jeffrey B Bonanno
Hi Kay, Can you also comment on Rfree set selection? It seems thin shell might be preferred in these cases? jbb Jeffrey B. Bonanno, Ph.D. Department of Biochemistry Albert Einstein College of Medicine 1300 Morris Park Avenue Bronx, NY 10461 off. 718-430-2452 fax. 718-430-8565 email

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Antwort: Re: [ccp4bb] chain on 2-fold axis?

2021-08-27 Thread Oganesyan, Vaheh
How P3221 can be an option if it assumes chain on axis? I guess I'm missing something, but per my belief only those sg will be possible for which there is no axis going through the extra molecule. P1 sg looks the only correct option here in my humble opinion. Democracy (voting) depends on

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Antwort: Re: [ccp4bb] chain on 2-fold axis?

2021-08-27 Thread Lijun Liu
I believe it is a twin from P32. Not like the assignment of double conformations with partial occupancies to small part of asu, for examples, a side chain of lysin or a small fragment of a protein, which have both conformations stayed in the same specific asu at the same time. For this p3221

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Antwort: Re: [ccp4bb] chain on 2-fold axis?

2021-08-27 Thread Kay Diederichs
Dear Herman, there is no freedom to choose between twinned-P32 (5 chains) and untwinned-P3221 (2 chains plus 0.5 chain in two orientations) or even vote; it is either one or the other, and there should be a difference in R values. Why? A twin operator leads to addition of intensities whereas a

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Antwort: Re: [ccp4bb] chain on 2-fold axis?

2021-08-27 Thread Eleanor Dodson
P1 is always a "correct" answer but this data says there is a three fold axis. Twinning generates an apparent 2 fold in the diffraction pattern, and with four of the five molecules obeying that 2fold, and twin factors 0.56/0.44 that will appear pretty exact.. And the NC transl;ation disguises

[ccp4bb] Antwort: Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Antwort: Re: [ccp4bb] chain on 2-fold axis?

2021-08-27 Thread Peer Mittl
Dear Vaheh, I agree with you, at least in your last statement. I guess we all agree that certain molecules can occupy special positions on true rotation axis. Strictly, this is only possible if the molecule obeys the rotation symmetry. For water molecules on 2-folds you already have to make

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Antwort: Re: [ccp4bb] chain on 2-fold axis?

2021-08-27 Thread Peer Mittl
Dear Herman, The answer probably depends on the impact of the "extra" chain on the sublattice. If there is no impact the "true" space group is P3221 with one chain on the special position. If the swapping of the extra chain influences the sublattice P32 (or C2 or P1, as pointed out by Kay)

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Antwort: Re: [ccp4bb] chain on 2-fold axis?

2021-08-27 Thread Schreuder, Herman /DE
Dear Lijun and others, As Kay rightly pointed out, twinning is fundamentally different from e.g. disorder or alternative conformations. However, it does not depend on a chain or side chain rapidly jumping between two states, but whether they are within coherent length of each other. Since most

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] A "funny" thing related to AlphaFold2 ....

2021-08-27 Thread John R. Walker
I just change MODEL 0 to MODEL 1 then it works fine. John On Fri, Aug 27, 2021 at 11:03 AM Schreuder, Herman /DE < herman.schreu...@sanofi.com> wrote: > Dear Nick, > > > > I had just looked at a pdb downloaded from the alphafold server without > problems. However, then I realized that I had

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Antwort: Re: [ccp4bb] chain on 2-fold axis?

2021-08-27 Thread Lijun Liu
Dear Herman: if you say “twinned” chains, then it already means same thing of the two and the side chain interactions could not be different (as you can see only one copy in the output coordinates), unless you talking about borders between twin pieces. In this situation, the only I could

Re: [ccp4bb] A "funny" thing related to AlphaFold2 ....

2021-08-27 Thread Nicholas Keep
Has anyone made use of an Alpha Fold PDB as opposed to CIF.  On the half dozen or so I have tried to read into CCP4mg or coot the PDB has always failed but the CIF is fine.  I can then write out a PDB if I want. I could add to the conspiracy theories that this is EBI trying to normalise use

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Antwort: Re: [ccp4bb] chain on 2-fold axis?

2021-08-27 Thread Dirk Kostrewa
Dear Jeffrey, just using thin shells of reflections for the test set might not be enough to eliminate any correlation to working set reflections. The distance of the test set reflections in reciprocal space, after applying the NCS rotations in reciprocal space, to any reflections of the

Re: [ccp4bb] A "funny" thing related to AlphaFold2 ....

2021-08-27 Thread Jon Agirre
Just get rid of the PDB header minus CRYST1 IIRC and it'll work. Some weird formatting problem. On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 at 15:50, Nicholas Keep wrote: > Has anyone made use of an Alpha Fold PDB as opposed to CIF. On the half > dozen or so I have tried to read into CCP4mg or coot the PDB has always

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] A "funny" thing related to AlphaFold2 ....

2021-08-27 Thread Schreuder, Herman /DE
Dear Nick, I had just looked at a pdb downloaded from the alphafold server without problems. However, then I realized that I had looked at the alphafold model after I had it superimposed on my own structure. Loading the alphafoldmodel directly in coot failed for me as well. By looking into

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] A "funny" thing related to AlphaFold2 ....

2021-08-27 Thread CCP4BB
Hi I mentioned this issue to Stuart McNicholas a couple of weeks ago but I'm assuming he's on his Summer hols as I haven't had a reply yet. In QTMG I get a pop-up telling me there's a problem with a DBREF line in the PDB file. Harry -- Dr Harry Powell > On 27 Aug 2021, at 16:03, Schreuder,

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Antwort: Re: [ccp4bb] chain on 2-fold axis?

2021-08-27 Thread Edward Berry
upper limit for the molecular weight of this molecule? David Cobessi solved a structure with heme on a crystallographic 2-fold. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11752777 Heme is almost, but not quite, 2-fold symmetric. eab Peer Mittl wrote on 8/27/2021 9:55 AM: Dear Vaheh, I agree with

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Antwort: Re: [ccp4bb] chain on 2-fold axis?

2021-08-27 Thread Kay Diederichs
Hi Jeffrey, good question. Both twinning and NCS may couple reflections across free and working sets, and this should be avoided by proper selection - otherwise Rfree is biased towards Rwork. Selecting thin shells should be a good option, and can be done in SFTOOLS (or DATAMAN, or SHELXPRO).

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Antwort: Re: [ccp4bb] chain on 2-fold axis?

2021-08-27 Thread Jeffrey B Bonanno
Hi Dirk and Kay, Excellent, many thanks for the refresher! jbb Jeffrey B. Bonanno, Ph.D. Department of Biochemistry Albert Einstein College of Medicine 1300 Morris Park Avenue Bronx, NY 10461 off. 718-430-2452 fax. 718-430-8565 email jeffrey.bona...@einsteinmed.org -Original Message-

[ccp4bb] Postdoctoral Fellow Position for Structural Neuropharmacology at CSHL

2021-08-27 Thread Hiro Furukawa
The Furukawa lab at Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory (CSHL) has a postdoctoral fellow position opening for a scientist with a strong background in structural biology and biochemistry. We work on ion channels and membrane protein complexes involved in the neurobiology of learning/memory,

[ccp4bb] Postdoctoral Research Associate position in Liverpool

2021-08-27 Thread Antonyuk, Svetlana
Postdoctoral Research Associate University of Liverpool - Department of Cardiovascular and Metabolic Medicine Location: Liverpool Salary: £34.81 to £40,322 p.a. Hours: Full Time Contract Type: Fixed-Term/Contract Placed On: 25th August 2021 Closes: 21st September 2021 Job Ref: