Re: [ccp4bb] odd request: add phase error linearly with resolution

2010-03-19 Thread Bart Hazes
Hi Francis, Check out the CALC command in sftools. It allows you to apply quite a number of mathematical operations on MTZ column data, including phases. It also has built-in funtions to return the resolution of reflections which you can use in your calculation. CALC HELP should explain how to

Re: [ccp4bb] inexpensive source of DDM

2010-03-19 Thread Jan Kern
Hi Tony, maybe Glycon in Germany might be useful for you (www.glycon.de). They sell bDDM for around 900 Euro/25 g and also can make bulk pricing on request. We have been very happy with their quality in the past (especially the content of alpha was lower than in products from other companies)

Re: [ccp4bb] Why Do Phases Dominate?

2010-03-19 Thread Gerard Bricogne
Dear Marius, Thank you for pointing this out - I was about to argue in the same direction, i.e. that the Fourier transform is at the heart of diffraction and is not just a convenient, but perhaps renegotiable, procedure for analysing diffraction data. Another instance of such natural "

Re: [ccp4bb] Why Do Phases Dominate?

2010-03-19 Thread Marius Schmidt
The great thing with diffraction, from crystals and from objects in microscopy is THAT this is A NATURALLY OCCURRING FORM of Fourier transform once one accepts that light is a wave (could be something else). If Fourier transform would not have been invented with another problem from engineering, th

Re: [ccp4bb] Why Do Phases Dominate?

2010-03-19 Thread Joseph Cockburn
> Perhaps this was really my question: > > Do phases *necessarily* dominate a reconstruction of an entity from phases > and amplitudes, or are we stuck in a Fourier-based world-view? (Lijun > pointed out that the Patterson function is an example of a reconstruction > which ignores phases, although

Re: [ccp4bb] Why Do Phases Dominate?

2010-03-19 Thread Jacob Keller
Perhaps this was really my question: Do phases *necessarily* dominate a reconstruction of an entity from phases and amplitudes, or are we stuck in a Fourier-based world-view? (Lijun pointed out that the Patterson function is an example of a reconstruction which ignores phases, although obvious

Re: [ccp4bb] self rotation education

2010-03-19 Thread Clemens Vonrhein
Hi Francis, On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 09:03:13AM -0600, Francis E Reyes wrote: > Hi all > > I have a solved structure that crystallizes as a trimer I guess you mean that you have 3 mol/asu? And not just "a trimer in solution that then forms crystals", right? > to a reasonable R/Rfree, but I'm try

Re: [ccp4bb] Why Do Phases Dominate?

2010-03-19 Thread Marius Schmidt
You want to have an intuitive picture without any mathematics and theorems, here it is: each black spot you measure on the detector is the square of an amplitude of a wavelet. The amplitude says simply how much the wavelet goes up and down in space. Now, you can imagine that when you have many wav

Re: [ccp4bb] self rotation education

2010-03-19 Thread Ian Tickle
Francis, I would at least compute all the maps to the same resolution, and as I suggested earlier use all the Fobs data you have, and finally try using E's. The differences could be due to the solvent model (or lack of it) in the Fcalc's, though I concede that doesn't explain the difference betwee

Re: [ccp4bb] imosflm plot question?

2010-03-19 Thread hari jayaram
Just sending along the answers to my question about the imosflm crystal missets and mosaicity plot from Ethan Meritt and Harry Powell. >Value of the parameter as a function of diffraction image number. If the parameter didn't vary, it would show as a horizontal line. phi(x), etc are the crystal

Re: [ccp4bb] Soaking to Remove Bound Ligands from Crystals

2010-03-19 Thread Tao-Hsin Chang
Dear Critton We have done a case, which was to remove the ligand A from the crystal in complex with ligand B and metal ions. Please see the link of this case below (Methods). http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20139160 Cheers, Tao-Hsin

Re: [ccp4bb] Why Do Phases Dominate?

2010-03-19 Thread Ed Pozharski
On Thu, 2010-03-18 at 12:51 -0500, Jacob Keller wrote: > Does anybody have a good way to understand this? Sure, it just depends on what would one consider a "good" way to understand. For a pure empiricist, it's good enough to see one of those two-dimensional phase swap pictures. For a "mathemat

Re: [ccp4bb] self rotation education

2010-03-19 Thread Dirk Kostrewa
Hi Ian, o yes, I didn't work out the particular case that Francis Reyes was asking for, but intended to give a more general idea where additional twofold NCS axes could come from, by a combination of a NCS axis perpendicular to a crystallographic twofold axis. The image should just support th

Re: [ccp4bb] self rotation education

2010-03-19 Thread Ian Tickle
Dirk, I'm not sure this is right, the NCS 2-folds clearly occur at phi = 45, 135 ..., not at phi = 30, 150 ... as required by your explanation. Also you haven't explained the very clear peaks near theta = 45, phi = 0. 90 ... . I won't be convinced until I see the results from RFCORR! Cheers --

[ccp4bb] odd request: add phase error linearly with resolution

2010-03-19 Thread Francis E Reyes
Hi all I'd like to add a phase error to my PHIB's and FOM's (experimental phases) that increases linearly with higher resolution.. it's akin to taking good phases and making them bad. Any approaches on how this can be done? Thanks FR - Francis Reyes M

Re: [ccp4bb] Why Do Phases Dominate?

2010-03-19 Thread Ian Tickle
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Edward A. Berry wrote: > I have been politely reminded offline that by definition amplitudes > cannot be negative. We could call them coefficients, but: Hi Edward This obviously depends on whether you're talking about the physical entity 'amplitude' or the quant

Re: [ccp4bb] self rotation education

2010-03-19 Thread Dirk Kostrewa
... and here a slightly clearer version where I numbered the NCS-related positions 1,2,3 and their crystallographic equivalent positions 1',2',3', which makes the NCS dyads a bit easier to understand ... Sorry for sending two pictures. Best regards, Dirk. Am 19.03.10 10:31, schrieb Dirk Kost

Re: [ccp4bb] self rotation education

2010-03-19 Thread Dirk Kostrewa
Dear Francis Reyes, from the self-rotation function at kappa=120 degrees, you can see that one threefold NCS axis is perpendicular to a crystallographic twofold axis. I haven't worked this out for your particular case, but the combination of a threefold (n-fold) NCS axis perpendicular to a cr

Re: [ccp4bb] Why Do Phases Dominate?

2010-03-19 Thread Randy Read
Dear Jacob, That's a good question, as you can see from the amount of debate you've inspired. There have been a lot of good answers already. Depending on how your intuition works, you might prefer Gerard's explanation in terms of convolutions, or Bart's in terms of the size of errors in the el