Re: [ccp4bb] Chiral volume outliers SO4

2012-07-13 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear all, I am surprised by the discussion about chiraliy of an utterly centrosymmetric molecule. Shouldn't the four Oxygen atoms be at least from a QM point-of-view to indistinguishable? What reason is there to maintain a certain 'order' in the

Re: [ccp4bb] Chiral volume outliers SO4

2012-07-13 Thread Robbie Joosten
Dear All, I'm with Dale on this one. It's better to have a standard and roll with it, than allow for ambiguity. The discussion just happened to start with a rather silly example as Tim pointed out. The ligand 1N1 (http://ligand-expo.rcsb.org/reports/1/1N1/1N1_D3L1.gif) is a better example: The

Re: [ccp4bb] Chiral volume outliers SO4

2012-07-13 Thread Andrew Purkiss
Dear Robbie and ccp4bb, Is 1N1 not a different type of problem though, where a chirality restraint is valid and so the atom labelling is important? Are you saying that we should always use the cif dictionary, even when there are errors? Surely in the SO4 case, as Ian said, it is better to

[ccp4bb] PhD position in Warsaw

2012-07-13 Thread Grzegorz Chojnowski
The Bujnicki laboratory at the International Institute of Molecular and Cell Biology (IIMCB) in Warsaw, Poland (http://iimcb.gov.pl) offers a position for a PhD student with background in experimental structural biology and/or biochemistry. The project aims at structural characterization of

Re: [ccp4bb] offtopic: AKTA prime

2012-07-13 Thread Orru, Roberto
Dear Peter, This noise could be due to the presence of some air in the pump. Before call any service, try to flux about 100 ml of 100% methanol (or ethanol if you don’t like to use methanol) at 10 ml/min and 5 ml/min (50:50). This should be remove any bubble. If the noise persist, the pump

Re: [ccp4bb] Chiral volume outliers SO4

2012-07-13 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Andrew, Indeed, provided the atom labeling is correct the chiral volume restraint actually says whether the groups on the ring a axial or equatorial. The cif files do not define that any other way, so without the restraint the description of the molecule is ambiguous. Note that the chirality

Re: [ccp4bb] cryo for high salt crystal

2012-07-13 Thread m zhang
Hi Anna, Actually I just tried lithium sulfate: I made a cryo with 1M KCl, 1.3M Lithium sulfate to replace the ammonia sulfate totally at pH7. it is not freezing clear. I guess I should try to increase the amount of LiSO4. But from all the warm responses here, I found sometimes people don't

[ccp4bb] strict structure based alignment

2012-07-13 Thread Christian Roth
Dear all, I want align a couple or protein structures by secondary structure matching to one target and want get a kind of aminoacid alignment file e.g. what residue fit the other, without adjustments due to sequence based alignments. I tried Strap, but as far as I understood it, it takes

Re: [ccp4bb] strict structure based alignment

2012-07-13 Thread sujata halder
Hi, SSM (via PDBefold) (http://www.ebi.ac.uk/msd-srv/ssm/cgi-bin/ssmserver) will do a structure based alignment and outputs a table of rmsd but will not give you a alignment file as such. -Sujata On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Christian Roth christian.r...@bbz.uni-leipzig.de wrote: Dear

Re: [ccp4bb] strict structure based alignment

2012-07-13 Thread Paul Emsley
On 13/07/12 15:30, Christian Roth wrote: Dear all, I want align a couple or protein structures by secondary structure matching to one target and want get a kind of aminoacid alignment file e.g. what residue fit the other, without adjustments due to sequence based alignments. I tried Strap, but

Re: [ccp4bb] Chiral volume outliers SO4

2012-07-13 Thread Boaz Shaanan
Hi Robbie, Interesting! In the article you referred to there isn't a single mention of the word chiral or its derivatives. They talk more about strained ligands, a problem which is addressed by the Grade operation and similar tools, and wrong geometry altogether, which we all agree should be

Re: [ccp4bb] strict structure based alignment

2012-07-13 Thread David Cobessi
Dear Christian, PDBefold superimposes the structures and generates the sequence alignment in fasta(??) format. You can then read this file in Multialign for example to get the sequence alignment and then add the secondary structures to the sequence alignment using ESPript for example. David On

[ccp4bb] Rigid body refinement with phenix using EM maps.

2012-07-13 Thread Wojtek Potrzebowski
Dear all, I want to refine a model of the complex that consists of rigid subunits using an electron microscopy electron density map. I've tried to use phenix for this purpose. Thus I have to back-FT the electron density map to a mtz reflection file. I've experienced problem using sfall for this

Re: [ccp4bb] Rigid body refinement with phenix using EM maps.

2012-07-13 Thread Bruno KLAHOLZ
Dear Wojtek, you can try something of this type to get the EM map converted into an hkl list and mtz file with I's and some sigma I's estimated to 1/10 of the I's (the latter is required for running fittings/refinements etc.). Best, Bruno /usr/local/rave/rave_linux/lx_mapman EOF re m2

Re: [ccp4bb] offtopic: AKTA prime

2012-07-13 Thread Phoebe Rice
If its old and out of warrenty, see if you have a local shop that can do it. We found the guys in physics here are great with such things (and a lot cheaper than official company repair guys). = Phoebe A. Rice Dept. of Biochemistry Molecular Biology The

Re: [ccp4bb] Rigid body refinement with phenix using EM maps.

2012-07-13 Thread Bruno KLAHOLZ
Dear Wojtek, sounds like an mtz format issue. Can you read it in with coot? Maybe Pavel or others have an idea? Bruno -Message d'origine- De : CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] De la part de Wojtek Potrzebowski Envoyé : Friday, July 13, 2012 6:51 PM À :

Re: [ccp4bb] Rigid body refinement with phenix using EM maps.

2012-07-13 Thread Pavel Afonine
Hi Wojtek, you need to convert your EM map into a reflection file (for example, cns or mtz formatted, format doesn't matter). This reflection file should contain Fobs - the amplitudes of Fourier map coefficients and phases corresponding to your EM map. The phases should be presented as

Re: [ccp4bb] Rigid body refinement with phenix using EM maps.

2012-07-13 Thread Filip Van Petegem
Hello Wojtek, a more straightforward approach is to use the rigid body refinement implemented in Situs. http://situs.biomachina.org/fguide.html After placing your pdb into the map via the colores program, you can refine the positions of individual portions using collage, by splitting your pdb

Re: [ccp4bb] harvesting in cold room (was: cryo for high salt crystal)

2012-07-13 Thread Radisky, Evette S., Ph.D.
Several have mentioned harvesting in the cold room to reduce evaporation. I used to do this also as a postdoc, but I worried whether I risked nitrogen gas poisoning from liquid N2 boil-off, since the cold room did not seem very well-ventilated. I've also hesitated to recommend it to trainees in

Re: [ccp4bb] harvesting in cold room (was: cryo for high salt crystal)

2012-07-13 Thread Jacob Keller
You probably already know this, but nitrogen is not at all poisonous--about 78% of the air is nitrogen. I guess you were probably worried about asphyxiation? JPK On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Radisky, Evette S., Ph.D. radisky.eve...@mayo.edu wrote: Several have mentioned harvesting in

Re: [ccp4bb] harvesting in cold room (was: cryo for high salt crystal)

2012-07-13 Thread Nat Echols
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Radisky, Evette S., Ph.D. radisky.eve...@mayo.edu wrote: Several have mentioned harvesting in the cold room to reduce evaporation. I used to do this also as a postdoc, but I worried whether I risked nitrogen gas poisoning from liquid N2 boil-off, since the cold

Re: [ccp4bb] harvesting in cold room

2012-07-13 Thread David Schuller
On 07/13/12 17:29, Jacob Keller wrote: You probably already know this, but nitrogen is not at all poisonous--about 78% of the air is nitrogen. I guess you were probably worried about asphyxiation? We have oxygen sensors in our X-ray hutches for precisely that reason. --

Re: [ccp4bb] harvesting in cold room

2012-07-13 Thread Jacob Keller
How frequently do the sensors go off? JPK On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 4:37 PM, David Schuller dj...@cornell.edu wrote: On 07/13/12 17:29, Jacob Keller wrote: You probably already know this, but nitrogen is not at all poisonous--about 78% of the air is nitrogen. I guess you were probably

Re: [ccp4bb] harvesting in cold room

2012-07-13 Thread Green, Todd
I've noticed that pretty much every time there is an autofill of the dewars in the hutches of SSRL or APS, the oxygen sensors go off. but that is a small space and many liters of liquid nitrogen. I've frozen routinely in a small cold room with a liter or 2 of liquid nitrogen with no issue.

Re: [ccp4bb] harvesting in cold room (was: cryo for high salt crystal)

2012-07-13 Thread Radisky, Evette S., Ph.D.
Thanks much. It helps a lot. On Jul 13, 2012, at 5:31 PM, Henry Bellamy hbell...@lsu.edu wrote: liquid N2 expands about 600 fold to RT gas. The minimum O2 concentration is 19% (per OSHA I think) so if the amount of vaporized N2 is greater than 2% of the cold room volume you could have

Re: [ccp4bb] harvesting in cold room

2012-07-13 Thread Edward A. Berry
How low does O2 have to get to be dangerous? To reduce the oxygen concentration by a factor of two, you would have to mix equal volumes of air and nitrogen. Now since the nitrogen is coming off at about 70K, assuming equal heat capacity for N2 and 80% N2, the temperature of that mixture would

Re: [ccp4bb] harvesting in cold room (was: cryo for high salt crystal)

2012-07-13 Thread Radisky, Evette S., Ph.D.
My cold room is also too small for comfort, but I think your method could work in a pinch. Thanks! Evette Radisky, PhD Mayo Clinic Cancer Center Griffin Cancer Research Building 4500 San Pablo Road Jacksonville, FL 32224 tel: 904-953-6372 fax: 904-953-0277 On Jul 13, 2012, at 5:52 PM,

Re: [ccp4bb] harvesting in cold room

2012-07-13 Thread Zhijie Li
RE: [ccp4bb] harvesting in cold roomDensity of LN2=807g/L, that's roughly 807/28*22.4=645.6L gas at RT, 1 atm. At 4C the volume will be less: 645.6/298*277=600L. An empty 2x2x2m cold room=8000L, containing 8000x21%=1680L oxygen. We normally won't let the whole liter of LN2 to evaporate when

Re: [ccp4bb] harvesting in cold room (was: cryo for high salt crystal)

2012-07-13 Thread mjvdwoerd
Hi Evette: Technically: The expansion ratio of liquid to gaseous nitrogen is approximately 1:700, that is, 1 liter of liquid becomes 700 liters of gas (at room temperature). When you are in a room that is 3 (~10ft) meters tall, 6 (~18ft) meters wide and 10 (~30ft) meters long and you assume

Re: [ccp4bb] harvesting in cold room (was: cryo for high salt crystal)

2012-07-13 Thread Andrew Purkiss-Trew
Quoting Jacob Keller j-kell...@fsm.northwestern.edu: The expansion ratio of liquid to gaseous nitrogen is approximately 1:700, that is, 1 liter of liquid becomes 700 liters of gas (at room temperature). When you are in a room that is 3 (~10ft) meters tall, 6 (~18ft) meters wide and 10 (~30ft)

Re: [ccp4bb] harvesting in cold room (was: cryo for high salt crystal)

2012-07-13 Thread mjvdwoerd
FYI, I live at 5500 ft elevation and the oxygen content of air is 21.5% here. The TOTAL amount of oxygen is less where I am than where you are because there is less air (lower density). Therefore my body has to do more work to get the same amount of oxygen to my cells. OSHA has nothing to do

Re: [ccp4bb] harvesting in cold room (was: cryo for high salt crystal)

2012-07-13 Thread Bosch, Juergen
This is a very interesting topic I have to say. But what I missed in this discussion is the pain you go through when freezing in the cold room. As the name implies it's supposed to be cold (most of the times). But that's not too much of an issue as you can dress up accordingly. The problem I