Re: [ccp4bb] SHELX-2013 release and homepage

2013-02-27 Thread Tim Gruene
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phew - and people claim, macs were user-friendly. On Linux you just
add '-static' (at least for command line tools as the shelx programs)
and make the sane assumption that the kernel is less than say 10 years
old...

Tim

On 02/26/2013 04:50 PM, Guangyu Zhu wrote:
 I just downloaded it. I'm using Mac 10.5.8 and getting error
 messages:
 
 dyld: unknown required load command 0x8022 Trace/BPT trap
 
 Google search shows that:
 
 
 You should contact the developer of this application. Only the
 developer can fix this. The application was incorrectly built on a
 OS X 10.6 machine for a OS X 10.5 machine. The developer can fix
 this by considering three things:
 
 
 1. Using the correct compiler parameters: gcc-4.2
 -mmacosx-version-min=10.5 -isysroot /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.5.sdk 
 ...
 
 
 2. Using the correct linker settings (setting environment variable
 before link command). This is required, so that the OS X 10.6
 linker will not use the loader command 'LC_DYLD_INFO_ONLY'
 (=0x8022), because OS X 10.5 does not understand this command:
 
 export MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET=10.5 (or   setenv
 MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET=10.5)
 
 
 After this is fixed, one can check if the application was correctly
 built for OS X 10.5 by running 'otool':
 
 otool -l binary
 
 The correct binary should not contain any  'LC_DYLD_INFO_ONLY'
 load commands (only 'LC_DYLD_INFO' commands).
 
 
 (also see my blog article http://grauonline.de/wordpress/?p=71 )
 
 
 
 Is it possible to build one for Mac 10.5.8?
 
 Thanks!
 
 Guangyu Zhu
 
 On 2/26/13 3:32 AM, George Sheldrick
 gshe...@shelx.uni-ac.gwdg.de wrote:
 
 As some of you have already discovered, there is a major new
 release of the whole of SHELX (the first since 1997) complete
 with a new homepage that should make downloads easier. To obtain
 the programs, please point your browser to:
 
 http://shelx.uni-ac.gwdg.de/SHELX/
 
 and then 'register' (top of blue menu, upper left). You will
 then receive the password immediately by email and can then go to
 'downloads'. The procedure has been designed to make life
 difficult for spammers etc. A little program (in FORTRAN of
 course) turns the registrations into a sorted users' list, which
 I hand-edit where necessary before it appears on the homepage,
 this may take a few days. The homepage also provides access to
 extensive documentation, FAQs etc. Please let me know of any
 problems (even typos) with the homepage and programs, with so
 much new material there are sure to be some bugs. The new
 versions replace all previous versions including beta-tests and
 almost all the programs have been improved since their last
 beta-test version (see 'recent changes').
 
 In particular, the new shelxe_2013/2 corrects a couple of serious
 bugs in the autotracing from MR models and MRSAD present in the
 beta-test 2013/1.
 
 George
 
 
 -- Prof. George M. Sheldrick FRS Dept. Structural Chemistry, 
 University of Goettingen, Tammannstr. 4, D37077 Goettingen,
 Germany Tel. +49-551-39-3021 or -3068 Fax. +49-551-39-22582
 

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Tammannstr. 4
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[ccp4bb] Early Bird Deadline 1st March! 11th International Conference on Biological Synchrotron Radiation (BSR), Hamburg, Germany, 8-11 Sept 2013

2013-02-27 Thread Rosemary Wilson

*Early bird registration deadline Friday 1st March 2013!*

*REGISTER NOW!!!*

*11th International Conference on Biological Synchrotron Radiation (BSR)*
*Hamburg, Germany*
*8th - 11th September 2013*

The conference aims to bring together scientists involved in the 
methodical developments on synchrotron and laser sources with a broad 
community of biologists with an ambition to make the best use of the 
most advanced infrastructures in structural biology.


Topics include:

Biological small angle X-ray scattering

Macromolecular X-ray crystallography

Biological X-ray imaging and spectroscopy

Biological sample preparation

Free electron laser applications

Synchrotron instrumentation

Industrial applications

Structural biology hybrid methods

Ultimate storage rings


For more information and to register, please go to: www.bsr2013.org 
http://www.bsr2013.org



Looking forward to seeing you in Hamburg!

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Fax: 0049 (0)40 89902 149

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www.embl-hamburg.de





[ccp4bb] compiling refmac5 on Ubuntu 12.04

2013-02-27 Thread Ed Pozharski
I am trying to compile refmac from source on a machine running Ubuntu
12.04.  In a nutshell, after some troubleshooting I end up with
executable that generates a segmentation fault.  Log-file states that

 CCP4 library signal ccp4_parser:Failed to open external command
file (Success)
 raised in ccp4_parser 

(hardly a success).  Potentially relevant details are that I had to
compile libccp4 and libmmdb to get to this point.  If I don't configure
the CCP4, I get this when trying to run refmac

 CCP4 library signal ccp4_general:Cannot open environ.def (Error)
 raised in ccp4fyp 
 refmacgfortran:  Cannot open environ.def
 refmacgfortran:  Cannot open environ.def

So perhaps it's some incompatibility between libccp4/libmmdb that I
compiled and those that came with CCP4 installation (by the way, the new
update feature rocks indeed).  But I tried lifting these libraries from
CCP4 installation when compiling refmac and I get the same segmentation
fault.

Any suggestions for troubleshooting/advice on how to compile refmac from
source are appreciated.  

Refmac version is 5.7.0032.

Cheers,

Ed.

-- 
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   Julian, King of Lemurs


[ccp4bb] Postdoc Position in Structural Biology of Membrane Proteins

2013-02-27 Thread Wang, Da-Neng
Postdoc Position in Structural Biology of Membrane Proteins

A postdoc position is immediately available at the Skirball Institute of 
Biomolecular Medicine, New York University School of Medicine, to study the 
mechanism of membrane transporters using X-ray crystallography in combination 
with various biochemical techniques 
(http://saturn.med.nyu.edu/research/sb/wanglab/). The Skirball Institute is 
located in the middle of Manhattan. Strong background in cell culture, 
eukaryotic protein expression, membrane protein biochemistry, or structural 
biology is required. Send CV, statement of research interest and names of three 
references to Da-Neng Wang at w...@saturn.med.nyu.edu.




Da-Neng Wang, Ph.D.
Professor
Structural Biology Program
Skirball Institute of Biomolecular Medicine
New York University School of Medicine
540 First Avenue
New York, NY 10016
USA

Phone: (212) 263-8634
Fax: (212) 263-8951
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Re: [ccp4bb] Additives to bacterial cultures to improve solubility

2013-02-27 Thread Horton, Lori B
Side note,

Has anyone tried this in a non-E. coli expression system?

Thanks,

Lori

Lori Horton, Ph.D.
Koehler Lab
lori.b.hor...@uth.tmc.edumailto:lori.b.hor...@uth.tmc.edumailto:lori.b.hor...@uth.tmc.edu
713-500-5451


From: CCP4 bulletin board [CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of A K 
[alek6...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 4:45 PM
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Additives to bacterial cultures to improve solubility

Mark,
you can try low percentage of ethanol as well, as it increases the expression 
of some chaperones (can't find the paper right now!).
Alex


On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Mark J van Raaij 
mjvanra...@cnb.csic.esmailto:mjvanra...@cnb.csic.es wrote:
Dear All,

We are considering trying additives to bacterial cultures to see if they 
improve solubility of some proteins we express: L-arginine, glycyl-glycine, 
sorbitol and betaine. I would be glad to receive recommendations and 
experiences, also if they haven't worked.
Side-question: should we get cell culture-certified compounds, or would 
normal, much more economical ones suffice? (i.e. are they likely to contain 
side-products that would affect bacterial growth?).

Greetings,

Mark

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Lab 20B
Dpto de Estructura de Macromoleculas
Centro Nacional de Biotecnologia - CSIC
c/Darwin 3
E-28049 Madrid, Spain
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[ccp4bb] Cell free expression

2013-02-27 Thread Theresa Hsu
Dear all

Out of curiosity, are cell free expression systems using E. coli or insect cell 
extracts useful for membrane protein expression-crystallization? What are the 
costs associated with these systems?

Thank you.

Theresa


Re: [ccp4bb] Cell free expression

2013-02-27 Thread Xavier Brazzolotto

I've just read that today (even if it is NMR).

http://www.nature.com/nmeth/journal/v9/n8/full/nmeth.2033.html

/E. coli/ or insects cells are so easy to grow that you should be able 
to do your own cell extrats easily.


Xavier


Le 27/02/2013 19:25, Theresa Hsu a écrit :

Dear all

Out of curiosity, are cell free expression systems using E. coli or insect cell 
extracts useful for membrane protein expression-crystallization? What are the 
costs associated with these systems?

Thank you.

Theresa




[ccp4bb] Postdoc Position

2013-02-27 Thread Li, Weikai




Applications are invited for a postdoctoral position in the Washington
 University at St. Louis. The NIH supported research will focus on the structure and function of intramembrane enzymes. Studies will use multidisciplinary approaches including macromolecular X-ray crystallography, biochemistry, membrane biology, and cell biology.
 Salary commensurates with experience. 
Applicants
 should send their CV with contact information of references to l...@biochem.wustl.edu.






[ccp4bb] Protein Production Core Director - Job Opening - U or Oklahoma

2013-02-27 Thread Leonard Thomas

Posted on behalf of Ann West:

Job Opening for Protein Production Core Facility Director.  The
Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry (http://chem.ou.edu) at the
University of Oklahoma, Norman Campus (http://www.ou.edu) invites
applications for a full-time staff position as Director of the Protein
Production Core (PPC) as part of the NIH-sponsored Oklahoma Center
of Biomedical Research Excellence (CoBRE) in Structural Biology
(http://structuralbiology.ou.edu).  We seek an individual with a Ph.D.  
degree in
Chemistry, Biochemistry, or Physics (or a related relevant field) OR a  
combination of
education and experience (e.g. M.S. degree plus equivalent job-related  
experience).
The successful applicant is expected to: (i) direct and oversee the  
operation,
maintenance and administration of the PPC, (ii) spearhead the  
establishment and
management of the PPC, and (iii) engage OU researchers as well as  
external
researchers in collaborative research projects.  Duties include but  
are not limited to the
purchase, installation, testing/calibration, operation and maintenance  
of sophisticated
equipment associated with protein expression and purification, the  
training and
supervision of users, and assisting users in preparation of grant  
proposals, research
papers and progress reports.  An essential aspect of the job will  
entail development of a
business plan to sustain the core facility.  The core director is  
expected to partner with
and provide expert advice to researchers wishing to express and purify  
recombinant
proteins from bacteria, yeast, insect and/or mammalian cell culture.   
Previous training
and experience in molecular biology, cell culture and protein  
purification techniques
(e.g. FPLC, HPLC) are required.  The successful candidate must have  
excellent

interpersonal, communication and organizational skills.

A competitive salary will be offered, commensurate with experience.   
Applicants MUST
apply for this position on-line at https://jobs.ou.edu.  Search for  
the job requisition
#16316 (Scientist/Researcher II).  The position is available  
immediately and will remain

open until filled.

For further information, please contact Dr. Ann West by phone (405)  
325-1529 or email

aw...@ou.edu.

The University of Oklahoma is an equal opportunity institution.  www.ou.edu/eoo

Leonard Thomas, Ph.D.
Macromolecular Crystallography Laboratory Manager
University of Oklahoma
Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry
Stephenson Life Sciences Research Center
101 Stephenson Parkway
Norman, OK 73019-5251
Office: (405)325-1126

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Re: [ccp4bb] SHELX-2013 release and homepage

2013-02-27 Thread James Stroud
The underlying issue is that the implementation of OS X dynamic linking is 
dependent system architecture. As I understand it, OS X 10.5.8 has a 32 bit 
kernel, so its dynamic linking is not forward-compatible with 64 bit OS X 
versions, for which SHELX-2013 seems to built.

Also, to be fair, it's not as if Linux users have ever been able to migrate 
from from 32 bit to 64 bit without a complete system overhaul.

So while I believe that OS X may not be the optimal OS of the future, the 32/64 
bit incompatibility should not be blamed as the reason.

James


p.s. What I don't understand is why the dynamic loader was ever needed in the 
first place. As a zero dependency program, wouldn't it make sense just to 
statically compile all of the SHEL* programs at the cost of a little bigger 
downloads?



On Feb 27, 2013, at 3:10 AM, Tim Gruene wrote:

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 phew - and people claim, macs were user-friendly. On Linux you just
 add '-static' (at least for command line tools as the shelx programs)
 and make the sane assumption that the kernel is less than say 10 years
 old...
 
 Tim
 
 On 02/26/2013 04:50 PM, Guangyu Zhu wrote:
 I just downloaded it. I'm using Mac 10.5.8 and getting error
 messages:
 
 dyld: unknown required load command 0x8022 Trace/BPT trap
 
 Google search shows that:
 
 
 You should contact the developer of this application. Only the
 developer can fix this. The application was incorrectly built on a
 OS X 10.6 machine for a OS X 10.5 machine. The developer can fix
 this by considering three things:
 
 
 1. Using the correct compiler parameters: gcc-4.2
 -mmacosx-version-min=10.5 -isysroot /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.5.sdk 
 ...
 
 
 2. Using the correct linker settings (setting environment variable
 before link command). This is required, so that the OS X 10.6
 linker will not use the loader command 'LC_DYLD_INFO_ONLY'
 (=0x8022), because OS X 10.5 does not understand this command:
 
 export MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET=10.5 (or   setenv
 MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET=10.5)
 
 
 After this is fixed, one can check if the application was correctly
 built for OS X 10.5 by running 'otool':
 
 otool -l binary
 
 The correct binary should not contain any  'LC_DYLD_INFO_ONLY'
 load commands (only 'LC_DYLD_INFO' commands).
 
 
 (also see my blog article http://grauonline.de/wordpress/?p=71 )
 
 
 
 Is it possible to build one for Mac 10.5.8?
 
 Thanks!
 
 Guangyu Zhu
 
 On 2/26/13 3:32 AM, George Sheldrick
 gshe...@shelx.uni-ac.gwdg.de wrote:
 
 As some of you have already discovered, there is a major new
 release of the whole of SHELX (the first since 1997) complete
 with a new homepage that should make downloads easier. To obtain
 the programs, please point your browser to:
 
 http://shelx.uni-ac.gwdg.de/SHELX/
 
 and then 'register' (top of blue menu, upper left). You will
 then receive the password immediately by email and can then go to
 'downloads'. The procedure has been designed to make life
 difficult for spammers etc. A little program (in FORTRAN of
 course) turns the registrations into a sorted users' list, which
 I hand-edit where necessary before it appears on the homepage,
 this may take a few days. The homepage also provides access to
 extensive documentation, FAQs etc. Please let me know of any
 problems (even typos) with the homepage and programs, with so
 much new material there are sure to be some bugs. The new
 versions replace all previous versions including beta-tests and
 almost all the programs have been improved since their last
 beta-test version (see 'recent changes').
 
 In particular, the new shelxe_2013/2 corrects a couple of serious
 bugs in the autotracing from MR models and MRSAD present in the
 beta-test 2013/1.
 
 George
 
 
 -- Prof. George M. Sheldrick FRS Dept. Structural Chemistry, 
 University of Goettingen, Tammannstr. 4, D37077 Goettingen,
 Germany Tel. +49-551-39-3021 or -3068 Fax. +49-551-39-22582
 
 
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 Institut fuer anorganische Chemie
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Re: [ccp4bb] SHELX-2013 release and homepage

2013-02-27 Thread George Sheldrick
After consulting several Mac users, I decided that there were very few 
32-bit Mac operating systems still in use by crystallographers, so (as 
stated on the new SHELX homepage) I am only providing a 64-bit 
executables for Macs. The Mac executables do not run on old Macs with 
PPC processors either. For Linux and Windows I provide both 32 and 
64-bit versions. One problem is that even if I tried to cross-compile a 
32-bit version for Macs (with -m32 on the ifort compile/link command 
line?), I would have no way of testing it, and I would not wish to 
distribute untested programs. It might destroy SHELX's reputation for 
robustness. All SHELX programs in this release are as far as physically 
possible statically linked, which explains why the executables are large 
(though the Intel MKL FFT can take some of the blame for that too). 
Static linking is an essential part of the SHELX 'zero dependencies' 
philosophy.


Apart from some trivial problems like some programs pretending to be 
beta-test versions when in fact they are the final release (I had simply 
forgotten to change the text), the complaint by Zhu was the only 
significant problem reported from the first ca. 500 downloads. There was 
however a problem in registering for the programs via the homepage using 
iPhones, but I think that I have managed to fix that now (I don't 
possess an iPhone or any other cell phone). However I would be very 
grateful to hear if anyone encounters difficulties with the new release 
or the homepage, there is so much new material in the homepage that 
there must be plenty of typos.


George

On 02/27/2013 11:21 PM, James Stroud wrote:

The underlying issue is that the implementation of OS X dynamic linking is 
dependent system architecture. As I understand it, OS X 10.5.8 has a 32 bit 
kernel, so its dynamic linking is not forward-compatible with 64 bit OS X 
versions, for which SHELX-2013 seems to built.

Also, to be fair, it's not as if Linux users have ever been able to migrate 
from from 32 bit to 64 bit without a complete system overhaul.

So while I believe that OS X may not be the optimal OS of the future, the 32/64 
bit incompatibility should not be blamed as the reason.

James


p.s. What I don't understand is why the dynamic loader was ever needed in the first 
place. As a zero dependency program, wouldn't it make sense just to 
statically compile all of the SHEL* programs at the cost of a little bigger downloads?



On Feb 27, 2013, at 3:10 AM, Tim Gruene wrote:


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Hash: SHA1

phew - and people claim, macs were user-friendly. On Linux you just
add '-static' (at least for command line tools as the shelx programs)
and make the sane assumption that the kernel is less than say 10 years
old...

Tim

On 02/26/2013 04:50 PM, Guangyu Zhu wrote:

I just downloaded it. I'm using Mac 10.5.8 and getting error
messages:

dyld: unknown required load command 0x8022 Trace/BPT trap

Google search shows that:


You should contact the developer of this application. Only the
developer can fix this. The application was incorrectly built on a
OS X 10.6 machine for a OS X 10.5 machine. The developer can fix
this by considering three things:


1. Using the correct compiler parameters: gcc-4.2
-mmacosx-version-min=10.5 -isysroot /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.5.sdk
...


2. Using the correct linker settings (setting environment variable
before link command). This is required, so that the OS X 10.6
linker will not use the loader command 'LC_DYLD_INFO_ONLY'
(=0x8022), because OS X 10.5 does not understand this command:

export MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET=10.5 (or   setenv
MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET=10.5)


After this is fixed, one can check if the application was correctly
built for OS X 10.5 by running 'otool':

otool -l binary

The correct binary should not contain any  'LC_DYLD_INFO_ONLY'
load commands (only 'LC_DYLD_INFO' commands).


(also see my blog article http://grauonline.de/wordpress/?p=71 )



Is it possible to build one for Mac 10.5.8?

Thanks!

Guangyu Zhu

On 2/26/13 3:32 AM, George Sheldrick
gshe...@shelx.uni-ac.gwdg.de  wrote:


As some of you have already discovered, there is a major new
release of the whole of SHELX (the first since 1997) complete
with a new homepage that should make downloads easier. To obtain
the programs, please point your browser to:

http://shelx.uni-ac.gwdg.de/SHELX/

and then 'register' (top of blue menu, upper left). You will
then receive the password immediately by email and can then go to
'downloads'. The procedure has been designed to make life
difficult for spammers etc. A little program (in FORTRAN of
course) turns the registrations into a sorted users' list, which
I hand-edit where necessary before it appears on the homepage,
this may take a few days. The homepage also provides access to
extensive documentation, FAQs etc. Please let me know of any
problems (even typos) with the homepage and programs, with so
much new material there are sure to be some 

[ccp4bb] Rfree flag

2013-02-27 Thread Kavyashree Manjunath
Dear users,

Is it mandatory to use the same reflections for
Rfree calculations of a ligand bound data as that
of its native?

Thank you
With Regards
Kavya


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Re: [ccp4bb] Rfree flag

2013-02-27 Thread Prof. K. Sekar
Dear Kavya,

It is not so.  It is not
mandatory.

best,

Sekar


 Dear users,

 Is it mandatory to use the same reflections for
 Rfree calculations of a ligand bound data as that
 of its native?

 Thank you
 With Regards
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[ccp4bb] disulfide engineering

2013-02-27 Thread Careina Edgooms
Dear CCP4 members

I wish to engineer a disulfide bond at the dimer interface of a protein I am 
working with. Does anyone know of any available software to assist with this?

Best
Careina

Re: [ccp4bb] Rfree flag

2013-02-27 Thread vellieux

Hello,

I think this depends on the type of problem you are facing:

if the 2 crystals are not isomorphous then you cannot have the same 
R-free sets;
if the 2 crystals are isomorphous then either you do not worry about 
keeping the same R-free set (but then the starting structure must be 
perturbed enough to get rid of R-free bias during refinement), or you 
keep the same indices for the reflections in the 2 R-free sets (same 
reflections in your message) in which case there is no R-free bias at 
the beginning of refinement.


By R-free bias I mean this: in your new (liganded) crystal form, there 
are reflections that have seen the Fo's during refinement of the 
native structure but that are in the R-free set in the ligand structure. 
This leads to bias.


HTH,

Fred.

On 28/02/13 06:54, Kavyashree Manjunath wrote:

Dear users,

Is it mandatory to use the same reflections for
Rfree calculations of a ligand bound data as that
of its native?

Thank you
With Regards
Kavya




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Re: [ccp4bb] Rfree flag

2013-02-27 Thread Folmer Fredslund
Although it is not mandatory, I think it would be a very good idea,
especially if you have the exact same spacegroup and the native and
ligand-bound forms of your protein are essentially the same.

If you do not use the same reflections, you are actually not reporting an
independent (free) R-factor.




Best regards,
Folmer


2013/2/28 Prof. K. Sekar se...@physics.iisc.ernet.in

 Dear Kavya,

 It is not so.  It is not
 mandatory.

 best,

 Sekar


  Dear users,
 
  Is it mandatory to use the same reflections for
  Rfree calculations of a ligand bound data as that
  of its native?
 
  Thank you
  With Regards
  Kavya
 
 
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 receipt of this mail please

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 Yours sincerely,

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 Associate Professor
 Bioinformatics
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 Tel: 91-(0)80-22933059, 23601409, 22932469
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