Re: [ccp4bb] Comparison of Water Positions across PDBs

2013-11-06 Thread Bernhard Rupp
Hmmm..does that mean that the journals are now the ultimate authority of what stays in the PDB? I find this slightly irritating and worthy of change. Best, BR From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Nat Echols Sent: Dienstag, 5. November 2013 15:09 To:

[ccp4bb] Joint CCP4-6.4.0 and ARP/wARP-7.4 Update

2013-11-06 Thread Andrey Lebedev
Dear CCP4 Users An update for the CCP4-6.4.0 series has just been released. This is the first update for both CCP4 and ARP/wARP in tandem. The ARP/wARP component of this update will be available to those Mac and Linux users who have previously installed both packages via the CCP4 Package

Re: [ccp4bb] Joint CCP4-6.4.0 and ARP/wARP-7.4 Update

2013-11-06 Thread Joachim Reichelt
Hi, I just installed the update using ccp4um. All I get now is: ccp4i Def file /software/ccp4-6.4.0/share/ccp4i/etc/unix/configure.def does not have correct file label configure Def file /software/ccp4-6.4.0/share/ccp4i/etc/preferences.def.dist does not have correct file label preferences Error

Re: [ccp4bb] Joint CCP4-6.4.0 and ARP/wARP-7.4 Update

2013-11-06 Thread Andrey Lebedev
Hi Joachim Thanks for reporting the problem Please run sudo /software/ccp4-6.4.0/bin/ccp4um and uninstall the last update for now. There should be something wrong with your config files. I'll trace what it could be and then contact you. Regards Andrey On 6 Nov 2013, at 13:13, Joachim

Re: [ccp4bb] Joint CCP4-6.4.0 and ARP/wARP-7.4 Update

2013-11-06 Thread Andrey Lebedev
Dear all If you had a problem similar to that Joachim and Ingo had (see below), please run sudo path/ccp4-6.4.0/bin/ccp4um where path is the full path to your ccp4-6.4.0 installation, and uninstall the last update. Then you can launch ccp4i and install it again as usual. Thanks! Andrey On 6

Re: [ccp4bb] Joint CCP4-6.4.0 and ARP/wARP-7.4 Update

2013-11-06 Thread Andrey Lebedev
Dear all A comment to my last e-mail If your ccp4 installation is not write-protected, do not use sudo, just run ccp4um Regards Andrey On 6 Nov 2013, at 14:49, Lebedev, Andrey (STFC,RAL,SC) wrote: Dear all If you had a problem similar to that Joachim and Ingo had (see below), please

Re: [ccp4bb] Joint CCP4-6.4.0 and ARP/wARP-7.4 Update

2013-11-06 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Andrey, since you mention the manual: is there a way to retrieve the manual pages for the ccp4 programs? I often use 'man pointless' et al. to check syntax etc and I miss the man pages in 6.4.0. Even the source does not seem to contain them any

[ccp4bb] Off Topic: Formulatrix NT8 nanoliter-volume dispenser

2013-11-06 Thread Dileep V
Hi there: Has anyone got experience using the Formulatrix NT8 as a 'crystallization robot'? Other options being considered are Art Robbins Phoenix TTP Labtech's Mosquito, both of which I have used in the past. Any feedback on NT8 will be highly appreciated. Thanks and Regards, Dileep

[ccp4bb] uncertainites associated with intensities from twinned crystals

2013-11-06 Thread Fulvio Saccoccia
Dear ccp4 users a question about the recovering of true intensities from merohedral twinned crystal. Providing alpha and the twin operator one should be able to recover the intensities from the formulas: I(h1) = (1-α)Iobs(h1)-αIobs(h2)/(1-2α) I(h2) = -αIobs(h1)+(1+α)Iobs(h2)/(1-2α)

Re: [ccp4bb] Comparison of Water Positions across PDBs

2013-11-06 Thread Nat Echols
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 12:39 AM, Bernhard Rupp hofkristall...@gmail.comwrote: Hmmm….does that mean that the journals are now the ultimate authority of what stays in the PDB? I find this slightly irritating and worthy of change. http://www.wwpdb.org/UAB.html It is the current wwPDB

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] uncertainites associated with intensities from twinned crystals

2013-11-06 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Fulvio, you cannot detwin perfectly twinned data with this formula. The term (1-2α) becomes zero, so you are dividing by zero. With good refinement programs (ShelX, Refmac), refinement is done against twinned data, which is better than to detwin the data with the formula you mention. As I

Re: [ccp4bb] Comparison of Water Positions across PDBs

2013-11-06 Thread Ronald E Stenkamp
I've remained silent as this thread evolved into a discussion of how the PDB deals with water names and numbers. But Nat's comment about the PDB not advertising itself as anything other than an archival service finally prodded me into saying something. Something I've slowly come to realize is

[ccp4bb] R: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] uncertainites associated with intensities from twinned crystals

2013-11-06 Thread Fulvio Saccoccia
Thank you for reply. My question mostly concern a theoretical aspect rather than practical one. To be not misunderstood, what is the mathematical model that one should apply to be able to deal with twinned intensities with their errors? I mean, I+_what? I ask this In order to state some general

[ccp4bb] Error using Coot supplied with CCP4

2013-11-06 Thread Antony Oliver
Dear CCP4 / Coot community, I am trying to use LIDIA from Coot 0.7.2 - as supplied with CCP4-6.4.0 - to look at a protein / ligand complex. However, when trying to launch LIDIA from the Extensions menu of Coot - I get the following error. I guess this suggests some form of fortran compile

Re: [ccp4bb] Off Topic: Formulatrix NT8 nanoliter-volume dispenser

2013-11-06 Thread Jim Fairman
Hi Dileep, We have been a user of the NT8 robot going on a year now, and we're quite happy with it. The initial versions of the machine had a few problems, but engineers over at Formulatrix have worked out a majority of the bugs and the current version of the machine functions quite well. We

[ccp4bb] switching space group

2013-11-06 Thread MAGGIE
Hi, I have a structure which should have space group P212121, but it has been processed to P21212. It can not be solved and refined. Right now I do not have HKL2000, but I need change the space group to P212121. Is there a way for me to do this using CCP4? Thank you, Maggie

Re: [ccp4bb] switching space group

2013-11-06 Thread Ian Tickle
Hi Maggie echo symm P212121 | mtzutils HKLIN in.mtz HKLOUT out.mtz should do the trick. Cheers -- Ian On 6 November 2013 18:13, MAGGIE dongmeij...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have a structure which should have space group P212121, but it has been processed to P21212. It can not be

Re: [ccp4bb] switching space group

2013-11-06 Thread Vikrant Upadhyay
Hi Maggie, you can re-process your data using XDS and can provide the desired space group in the XDS.INP file. It won't take much time. Vikrant Vikrant Upadhyay Postdoctoral associate Dr. Crina Nimigean's lab, A-1050 Department of Anesthesiology Weill Cornell Medical College 525 East 68th

Re: [ccp4bb] switching space group

2013-11-06 Thread Phoebe A. Rice
If you're only changing the 2-fold axis along c to a 2-fold screw axis, you don't need to go back to the raw image files and reprocess them! Just tweak the header of the .sca file and carry on (and take notes on what you did). From: CCP4 bulletin board

Re: [ccp4bb] switching space group

2013-11-06 Thread Edward A. Berry
I liked Ian Tickle's 1-line ccp4 script for changing the space group with mtzutils. I believe CAD can do this also. In any case, there's no need to reprocess. Some reflections present in the current data will be systematically absent in the new space group, but presumably they will be eliminated

Re: [ccp4bb] R: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] uncertainites associated with intensities from twinned crystals

2013-11-06 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Fulvio, with simple error propagation, the error would be sigma(I(h1)) = (1-α)sigma(Iobs(h1))-α*sigma(Iobs(h2))/(1-2α) would it not? Although especially for theoretical aspects you should be concerned about division by zero. Best, Tim On

Re: [ccp4bb] switching space group

2013-11-06 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Maggie, in addition to what others explained, data integration does not depend on the space group. It only depends on the Laue group, and P21212 and P212121 belong to the same Laue group. You would see no difference at all in reprocessing, and

Re: [ccp4bb] convert orientation matrix format

2013-11-06 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Almudena, depending on your application there might be a different approach from what I suggested before: you could use my 'spots4cellnow' (http://shelx.uni-ac.gwdg.de/~tg/research/programs/conv/spots4cellnow/) to convert the SPOTS.XDS into

Re: [ccp4bb] Comparison of Water Positions across PDBs

2013-11-06 Thread Prof. K. Sekar
Dear all, there is a tool to identify invariant water molecules in homologous protein structures and the tool can be accessed via http://cluster.physics.iisc.ernet.in/3dss/ best, Sekar Thanks Bernhard    you have helpfully distinguished between the two processes - there is certainly a

Re: [ccp4bb] R: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] uncertainites associated with intensities from twinned crystals; Sorry for HTML.

2013-11-06 Thread Jens Kaiser
Fulvio, Tim, error propagation is correct, but wrongly applied in Tim's example. s_f= \sqrt{ \left(\frac{\partial f}{\partial {x} }\right)^2 s_x^2 + \left(\frac{\partial f}{\partial {y} }\right)^2 s_y^2 + \left(\frac{\partial f}{\partial {z} }\right)^2 s_z^2 + ...} (see

Re: [ccp4bb] [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] uncertainites associated with intensities from twinned crystals; Sorry for HTML.

2013-11-06 Thread Jens Kaiser
Tassos, I'm no expert either, and there are caveats for using this formula on correlated magnitudes. But I would assume that the intensities of twin related reflections should be independent from each other (that's my understanding of the sigmoid cumulative intensity distribution of twins).