Re: [ccp4bb] PDB passes 100,000 structure milestone

2014-05-15 Thread Colin Nave
From James's figure, assuming perfect lossless compression, the information content of the PDB is 20GB or about 2X10**11 bits The information content of the universe has been estimated to be 2**305 bits or 10**92 bits (this might or might not be changing). The PDB is said to be growing

Re: [ccp4bb] PDB passes 100,000 structure milestone

2014-05-15 Thread Bärbel Blaum
Hello, I also agree that the right order of things would be the journals taking action (i.e. retracting and commenting on why), then informing the pdb which structures are associated with a retraction - for the simple reason that very likely many readers take conclusions in made-up

Re: [ccp4bb] PDB passes 100,000 structure milestone

2014-05-15 Thread Roger Rowlett
A logarithmic plot of cumulative entries to the PDB is approximately linear and shows a growth rate of about 15% per year. That means it doubles in size about every 5 years at current growth rate. Roger Rowlett On May 15, 2014 4:23 AM, Colin Nave colin.n...@diamond.ac.uk wrote: From James's

Re: [ccp4bb] PDB passes 100,000 structure milestone

2014-05-15 Thread MARTYN SYMMONS
I agree some forum for community annotation and commenting would be a good thing for users of structural data.  There was an attempt to do that with the pdbwiki project which was a community resource for the bioinformatics community. Unfortunately pdbwiki has now folded (see

[ccp4bb] Crymon

2014-05-15 Thread Hargreaves, David
Dear CCP4bb, Does anyone know who (if anyone) supports Crystal Miner (Emerald / Decode). Kind Regards, David David Hargreaves Associate Principal Scientist _ AstraZeneca Discovery Sciences, Structure Biophysics Mereside,

[ccp4bb] FW: [ccp4bb] PDB passes 100,000 structure milestone

2014-05-15 Thread Colin Nave
Roger Thanks for this reply. Sometime in the next millennium I guess. I did get replies from several well wishers implying that it would be a good idea if I retired as soon as possible. More usefully, Marjolein Thunnissen reminded me of the article

Re: [ccp4bb] PDB passes 100,000 structure milestone

2014-05-15 Thread Zachary Wood
I agree with Martyn, Pubmed Commons could be a great model. I believe you have to be a published author to obtain an account. It might cut down on some of the spam/noise if the PDB adopted such a model for depositors. Best regards, Z *** Zachary

Re: [ccp4bb] PDB passes 100,000 structure milestone

2014-05-15 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear all, isn't the ccp4bb a very good example that spam may not be such an issue for a discussion platform on structures in the PDB? There is a great variety of opinions, some to agree with, some to disagree, but all of them interesting and

Re: [ccp4bb] PDB passes 100,000 structure milestone

2014-05-15 Thread Zachary Wood
Adding to Tim’s comment, I would not expect a tremendous amount of spurious comments about a single PDB out of 100,000 unless there was a problem. Especially if the Pubmed Commons model was applied, and only depositors could comment. I would assume this would be very beneficial, given that we

Re: [ccp4bb] PDB passes 100,000 structure milestone

2014-05-15 Thread Joel Sussman
15-May-2014 Dear Martyn Proteopedia's (http://proteopedia.org) goal goes well beyond just education - it is aimed at Structural Biology and non Structural Biology Community and it would be pleased to be a forum for discussion of structures that are questionable. There are now over 2,600

Re: [ccp4bb] PDB passes 100,000 structure milestone

2014-05-15 Thread MARTYN SYMMONS
Dear Zachary I once suggested this sort of discussion forum to a PDB PI as a possible service that could be a ' validation fight-club '  - which suggestion was not well received ;) But as you say it is down to setting the correct professional tone.  One thing that would allow a visual

Re: [ccp4bb] PDB passes 100,000 structure milestone

2014-05-15 Thread Jose Manuel Duarte
As one of the responsible people for the pdbwiki project I feel I should comment on this one. We went out of business simply for lack of resources, it was difficult to keep things up-to-date and specially it was very difficult to combat spam. So in the end we decided to shut down the project.

Re: [ccp4bb] PDB passes 100,000 structure milestone

2014-05-15 Thread Bernhard Rupp
Maybe a prominent link in the summary page of e.g. PDBe 2a01 would help. So far, you need to go there and expand Links - pdb_redo - links - Proteopedia to get to the corresponding warning. http://www.ebi.ac.uk/pdbe-srv/view/entry/2a01/summary_details.html#

Re: [ccp4bb] PDB passes 100,000 structure milestone

2014-05-15 Thread Zachary Wood
Dear Jaime and Joel, Perhaps an easier solution would be to get the PDB to put an obvious link on each entry directing the user to the Proteopedia site for discussion and additional details. I would personally prefer a comments/discussion section on the PDB page, but as long as one is easily

[ccp4bb] PhD studentships in tackling M. abscessus infections in Cystic Fibrosis

2014-05-15 Thread Marko Hyvonen
PhD studentships in a collaborative project Tackling Mycobacterium abscessus infection in Cystic Fibrosis http://www.jobs.cam.ac.uk/job/3954/ (see Position 3 for the structural biology project) The Departments of Biochemistry and Medicine, University of Cambridge, are pleased to offer 3

Re: [ccp4bb] PDB passes 100,000 structure milestone

2014-05-15 Thread Patrick Shaw Stewart
It seems to me that the Wikipedia mechanism works wonderfully well. One rule is that you can't make assertions yourself, only report pre-existing material that is attributable to a reliable published source. It's immediately obvious when something is controversial. Here's the first para of the

Re: [ccp4bb] PDB passes 100,000 structure milestone

2014-05-15 Thread Nat Echols
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 9:53 AM, Patrick Shaw Stewart patr...@douglas.co.uk wrote: It seems to me that the Wikipedia mechanism works wonderfully well. One rule is that you can't make assertions yourself, only report pre-existing material that is attributable to a reliable published source.

Re: [ccp4bb] PDB passes 100,000 structure milestone

2014-05-15 Thread Zachary Wood
I agree with Nat. If you think a structure has a problem area, it is much easier to point it out to the users than to publish a rebuttal. Comments are easy. Simply state your observation. If you are wrong in your assessment, I am sure you will receive a fine education from the more learned

Re: [ccp4bb] PDB passes 100,000 structure milestone

2014-05-15 Thread Patrick Shaw Stewart
I may be missing something here, but I don't think you have to rebut anything. You simply report that someone else has rebutted it. Along the lines of Many scientists regard this published structure as unreliable since a misconduct investigation by the University of Alabama at Birmingham has

Re: [ccp4bb] PDB passes 100,000 structure milestone

2014-05-15 Thread Nat Echols
That is an extraordinary case, and it certainly took a huge amount of work. What about structures that are obviously wrong based on inspection of the density, but no one has bothered to challenge yet? The TWILIGHT database helps some, if that counts, but it doesn't catch everything. -Nat On

Re: [ccp4bb] PDB passes 100,000 structure milestone

2014-05-15 Thread Duarte Gamero Jose Manuel
If one limits such a comment system to authors of PDB structures then you are closing the door to a lot of potentially good contributors: anyone involved in analysing protein structures. For instance that can be anyone in the fields of structural bioinformatics, molecular dynamics,

Re: [ccp4bb] PDB passes 100,000 structure milestone

2014-05-15 Thread Pavel Afonine
TWILIGHT database, PDBREDO database, ... what else I forgot to name? I wonder why it should be under different brands and names, and not just be where it belongs to - the PDB?! Back in 2005 when I (and colleagues) started re-refining the entire PDB (to test phenix.refine, mostly) and seeing

[ccp4bb] Seeking postdoctoral candidate

2014-05-15 Thread Reza Khayat
Hi, The research group of Dr. Reza Khayat at the City College of New York (www.khayatlab.org) is seeking candidate postdoctoral fellows to study host pathogen interaction using a combination of cryo-electron microscopy (cryo-EM), X-ray crystallography, biophysics and biochemistry. The

[ccp4bb] Issue with Molecules per Asymmetric Unit for Molecular Replacement

2014-05-15 Thread Matthew Bratkowski
Hello all, I am working on the structure of a small protein in space group P212121. The protein is monomeric in solution based on gel filtration analysis. The Matthews Coefficeint program indicates that 9-10 molecules per asymmetric unit results in ~50% solvent content, while 1 molecule per

[ccp4bb] report mosaicity

2014-05-15 Thread hongshi WANG
Hello everyone, I am gonna report the mosaicity of my data set as required by the journal. I processed the data using HKL2000. So I checked the denzo log file. I found many different mosaicity values. The first one is default input (0.3), the rest are corresponding to specific images. I think the

Re: [ccp4bb] Issue with Molecules per Asymmetric Unit for Molecular Replacement

2014-05-15 Thread Toth, Eric
Have you tried fixing the molecule that looks correct and searching for others? You might have greater than one but less than 9 molecules per ASU. When you do this, try imposing severe restraints on the packing function. This worked for me in Phaser with a difficult case. My anecdotal

Re: [ccp4bb] Issue with Molecules per Asymmetric Unit for Molecular Replacement

2014-05-15 Thread Roger Rowlett
For P212121, I would put money on something divisible by 2 for the total molecules per asu. Anything from 6-12 might be likely. One of the early structures I worked on had 6 molecules per asu, which was darn near impossible to find using momomers (at the time). The way it was eventually solved

Re: [ccp4bb] PDB passes 100,000 structure milestone

2014-05-15 Thread Pavel Afonine
What about structures that are obviously wrong based on inspection of the density, but no one has bothered to challenge yet? The TWILIGHT database helps some, if that counts, but it doesn't catch everything. How about this utopia.. Imagine PDB has two versions: one is the original data and