[ccp4bb] Question about enzyme behavior

2014-10-02 Thread ISABET Tatiana
Dear all, Sorry for a non purely crystallographic question. I am working on an enzyme which binds Fe2+ cations to catalyzes an FeII-dependent hydroxylation reaction. Because of fast oxidation in presence of the enzyme, it is very difficult to soak Fe2+ ions into the crystals. We succeed only

Re: [ccp4bb] Space group numbers

2014-10-02 Thread Kay Diederichs
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 13:29:02 +0100, Phil Evans p...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk wrote: Be careful: the International Tables space group number may be ambiguous. For example sg number 18 may refer to P 21 21 2 or its permuted settings P 21 2 21 or P 2 21 21, if you follow the proper IUCr convention that

Re: [ccp4bb] Question about enzyme behavior

2014-10-02 Thread Boaz Shaanan
Hi Tatiana, Your problem is most reminiscent to the problem that Max Perutz faced when he dealt with deoxy-haemoglobin crystals, but in those days only mounting in capillaries was the way to bring the crystals to the beam, so he used dithionite, just like you, but mounted the crystals in

Re: [ccp4bb] Space group numbers

2014-10-02 Thread Frank von Delft
I second that! The default should be symmetry based... cells stretch and shrink, but symmetry is harder to change. (i.e. from crystal to crystal.) (I thought all CCP4 programs have supported this for ages.) On 02/10/2014 10:25, Kay Diederichs wrote: On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 13:29:02 +0100,

Re: [ccp4bb] Space group numbers

2014-10-02 Thread George Sheldrick
The strange thing is that small molecule crystallographers do not suffer from this problem, because they don't use space group numbers! This is just as well, because instead of just 8 combinations of primitive orthorhombic space groups and settings, they have to consider 111 (if I have

Re: [ccp4bb] Space group numbers

2014-10-02 Thread Phil Evans
How does XDS decide on eg P 21 21 2 when say c b a? The initial indexing may decide that the cell fits a primitive orthorhombic system, but I presume that it will then have some convention, probably a b c, since the identification of screws can only be done after integration, and even then

[ccp4bb] 3 letter code

2014-10-02 Thread Faisal Tarique
Hello everyone I request you to please tell me the 3 letter code for p nitrophenyl phosphate.. -- Regards Faisal School of Life Sciences JNU

Re: [ccp4bb] Space group numbers

2014-10-02 Thread Ian Tickle
Hi, we shouldn't be using numbers at all (CCP4-style or otherwise, since no-one else outside the MX community uses these). We should be using the unique full Hermann-Mauguin symbol, since the 'standard setting' space group number in IT obviously does not uniquely define the setting, and it's the

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Question about enzyme behavior

2014-10-02 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Tatania, Without having the details, it is difficult to make specific comments, but here are some suggestions: Aerobic experiments: you claim that added Fe2+ immediately oxidizes when added to a buffer containing 5 mM Fe2+. That means that the 5 mM Fe2+ in your buffer was already

Re: [ccp4bb] 3 letter code

2014-10-02 Thread Paul Emsley
On 02/10/14 11:50, Faisal Tarique wrote: I request you to please tell me the 3 letter code for p nitrophenyl phosphate.. No. But here's how to find it yourself: Go to rcsb.org nitrophenyl phosphate - Search Top hit in Chemical Name table. or similarly File - Search Monomer Library in

Re: [ccp4bb] 3 letter code

2014-10-02 Thread Andreas Förster
I took the liberty of googling this for you. I trust that other search engines will give the same answer. Try your favorite next time. http://www.ebi.ac.uk/pdbe-srv/pdbechem/chemicalCompound/complete/4NP Andreas On 02/10/2014 11:50, Faisal Tarique wrote: Hello everyone I request you

Re: [ccp4bb] 3 letter code

2014-10-02 Thread Faisal Tarique
Thank you..i got it On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Andreas Förster docandr...@gmail.com wrote: I took the liberty of googling this for you. I trust that other search engines will give the same answer. Try your favorite next time.

Re: [ccp4bb] 3 letter code

2014-10-02 Thread David Briggs
When I google 3 letter code for p nitrophenyl phosphate the second site listed is: http://www.ebi.ac.uk/pdbe-srv/pdbechem/chemicalCompound/complete/4NP Which looks like it might contain the answer you seek. HTH, Dave [image: David Briggs on about.me] David Briggs about.me/david_briggs

Re: [ccp4bb] 3 letter code

2014-10-02 Thread Pooja Kesari
Hi Faisal The 3letter code for p nitrophenyl phosphate would be 4NP http://www.rcsb.org/pdb/explore/explore.do?structureId=1D1Q On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Faisal Tarique faisaltari...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone I request you to please tell me the 3 letter code for p nitrophenyl

Re: [ccp4bb] 3 letter code

2014-10-02 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Faisal, You can also look in LigandExpo http://ligand-expo.rcsb.org/index.html If you don't find a result immediately, you can also search by formula, even without hydrogens. Cheers, Robbie -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of

Re: [ccp4bb] Question about enzyme behavior

2014-10-02 Thread Tom Murray-Rust
Dear Tatiana, Having worked also worked on various Fe(II) dependent hydroxylases, may I suggest trying some other less redox sensitive divalent cations? My old lab routinely used to screen hydroxylases with (to my knowledge) Co and Mn, which essentially inhibited enzymatic turnover, so they were

Re: [ccp4bb] Space group numbers

2014-10-02 Thread David Schuller
With the successful introduction of racemic crystallization to macromolecular, a large number of possible space groups have been opened up to this audience. You can find examples in the PDB of space groups P -1 (i.e. P 1-bar), I -4 2 d, etc. On 10/02/14 06:51, George Sheldrick wrote: The

Re: [ccp4bb] Space group numbers

2014-10-02 Thread Jurgen Bosch
Yes, we ran into exactly that issue as well. Jūrgen .. Jürgen Bosch Johns Hopkins University Bloomberg School of Public Health Department of Biochemistry Molecular Biology Johns Hopkins Malaria Research Institute 615 North Wolfe Streetx-apple-data-detectors://4, W8708

Re: [ccp4bb] Space group numbers

2014-10-02 Thread Kay Diederichs
On Thu, 2 Oct 2014 11:38:08 +0100, Phil Evans p...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk wrote: How does XDS decide on eg P 21 21 2 when say c b a? The initial indexing may decide that the cell fits a primitive orthorhombic system, but I presume that it will then have some convention, probably a b c, since the

Re: [ccp4bb] 3 letter code

2014-10-02 Thread Faisal Tarique
Thank you every one.. On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 5:27 PM, Robbie Joosten robbie_joos...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Faisal, You can also look in LigandExpo http://ligand-expo.rcsb.org/index.html If you don't find a result immediately, you can also search by formula, even without hydrogens.

Re: [ccp4bb] Space group numbers

2014-10-02 Thread Kay Diederichs
On Thu, 2 Oct 2014 11:58:42 +0100, Ian Tickle ianj...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, we shouldn't be using numbers at all (CCP4-style or otherwise, since no-one else outside the MX community uses these). We should be using the unique full Hermann-Mauguin symbol, since the 'standard setting' space group

Re: [ccp4bb] Space group numbers

2014-10-02 Thread Phil Evans
I'm still a bit confused about why there is a problem: why use SG numbers? P 2 21 21 (or indeed P22121) is clear and unambiguous. There is no need to use the numbers (and certainly not the weird CCP4 numbers like 3018 which I was trying to hide in Pointless Phil On 2 Oct 2014, at 15:04, Kay

[ccp4bb] 'flatten-solvent' option in 3D auto-refine

2014-10-02 Thread Eaazhisai Kandiah
Dear Sjors, In 3D auto-refine routine, what does the flatten-solvent option does? Specifically, i'd like to know is there a mask involved and if yes, what kind of mask? Thanks for this and for your explanations in Grenoble. Isai

Re: [ccp4bb] Space group numbers

2014-10-02 Thread Ian Tickle
On 2 October 2014 13:51, Kay Diederichs kay.diederi...@uni-konstanz.de wrote: I don't see any sticking to initial indexing as worthwhile to worry about, since in the first integration, P1 is often used anyway, and it is quite normal (and easy) to re-index after the intensities become

Re: [ccp4bb] 3 letter code

2014-10-02 Thread Enrico Stura
Dear ccp4bb, Another easy method to find and/or generate ligands is via the smiles code: Wikipedia has smiles codes for many compounds: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Para-Nitrophenylphosphate look up the smiles code: smiles: C1=CC(=CC=C1[N+](=O)[O-])OP(=O)(O)O You can now generate the cif file

Re: [ccp4bb] Question about enzyme behavior

2014-10-02 Thread Ronald E Stenkamp
Watch out with oils and oxygen. Oxygen is fairly soluble in oils. When we worked on deoxyhemerythrin, we had to degas our sealing wax to keep things anaerobic. If you heat wax, and then put it in a vacuum, it'll froth as all the gases come out of the liguid. Then of course it hardens and

Re: [ccp4bb] Space group numbers

2014-10-02 Thread Tim Gruene
Hi Phil, as far as I understand, you are stating a consensus (do not use numbers, do use the Hermann-Mauguin-symbols), rather than a problem. The problem seems that the artificial space group numbers 1018, etc., contained in symop.lib, do not follow the consensus and thus cause irritation. Best,

Re: [ccp4bb] Space group numbers

2014-10-02 Thread Zbyszek Otwinowski
How can it be if you're not even sure what the correct space group is? Ambiguities may arise in the presence of pseudosymmetry and/or packing disorders. In some cases, you can determine crystal structure from the same data in different space groups that do not have subgroup/supergroup

[ccp4bb] monitoring refmac refinement

2014-10-02 Thread Alastair Fyfe
I would be grateful for any advice on how to obtain refmac information equivalent in detail to the shelxl Disagreeable restraints before cycle N listing. In the later stages of refining a set of related structures, I have been alternating between shelxl and refmac. Typically this relies on

Re: [ccp4bb] monitoring refmac refinement

2014-10-02 Thread George Sheldrick
Dear Alistair, Erratic behaviour is often caused by the antibumping restraints because they get switched off and on, and riding hydrogens and changes in the occupancies can affect their action. This probably applies to both programs. Any suggestions for improving the bulk solvent model in

Re: [ccp4bb] monitoring refmac refinement

2014-10-02 Thread Ethan A Merritt
On Thursday, 02 October, 2014 12:07:54 Alastair Fyfe wrote: I would be grateful for any advice on how to obtain refmac information equivalent in detail to the shelxl Disagreeable restraints before cycle N listing. This is controlled by the MONI keyword. To get a full list on every cycle

Re: [ccp4bb] Space group numbers

2014-10-02 Thread Kay Diederichs
On Thu, 2 Oct 2014 16:00:30 +0100, Ian Tickle ianj...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 October 2014 13:51, Kay Diederichs kay.diederi...@uni-konstanz.de wrote: I don't see any sticking to initial indexing as worthwhile to worry about, since in the first integration, P1 is often used anyway, and it is

[ccp4bb] Aimless low resolution shell

2014-10-02 Thread Alisa Glukhova
Dear ccp4bb, I am having an issue with low resolution shell when converting unmerged data from Scalepack using Aimless. My data has a resolution of 30- 2.6 angstroms as written in the .sca file. However, when I convert it to mtz using Aimless the resolution changes automatically to 91.46 - 2.6.

Re: [ccp4bb] Aimless low resolution shell

2014-10-02 Thread Alisa Glukhova
I would like to add that this happens only when the Ensure unique data and add R free column flag is ON. I tested this on both Linux and Mac Maverick systems. Thanks again! On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Alisa Glukhova alis...@umich.edu wrote: Dear ccp4bb, I am having an issue with low